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He further states an example, of how the NAZIS banned all minorities, including Jewish people from owning firearms, and this allowed for the NAZIS to commit the crimes they did against the minorities.
originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Shamrock6
What makes his thoughts any different then the many celebrities that push their ideas all the time?
Thought we were suppose to ignore them.
Eta: this isn't aimed at you but feel free to answer.
We always talk about the reason why the founders put it in and important it was that they did it, but who was allowed to have guns when it was implemented? Did they follow this idea that every man and woman should have gun with zero infringement?
He further states: "and I believe, and I hate to say this. But a lot of these mass murders, and funny stuff that is going on. I believe a lot of this is being engineered."
originally posted by: Argyll
Why?....why do you believe "it's" being engineered?....you have 320 million people in America, 320 million people that have free access to virtually every millitary grade weapon on the market yet you, and Steven Seagal, thinks that the situation is being "engineered".
originally posted by: Argyll
What exactly is being engineered?.......I'll bet if the UK gave free access to hand guns and automatic weapons to the general public that we would also have catastrophic headlines like the good people of the USA have to endure.
By Sharyl Attkisson CBS News December 7, 2011, 7:20 PM
Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.
PICTURES: ATF "Gunwalking" scandal timeline
In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the "big fish." But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called "gunwalking," and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.
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The Gun Dealers' Quandary
Several gun dealers who cooperated with ATF told CBS News and Congressional investigators they only went through with suspicious sales because ATF asked them to.
Sometimes it was against the gun dealer's own best judgment.
Gun store owner had misgivings about ATF sting
When federal agents with Operation Fast and Furious told Andre Howard to sell weapons to illegal purchasers, he complied, but he feared someone would get hurt. Then a border agent was shot.
September 11, 2011|By Richard A. Serrano, Los Angeles Times
Reporting from Glendale and Rio Rico, Ariz. — In the fall of 2009, ATF agents installed a secret phone line and hidden cameras in a ceiling panel and wall at Andre Howard's Lone Wolf gun store. They gave him one basic instruction: Sell guns to every illegal purchaser who walks through the door.
For 15 months, Howard did as he was told. To customers with phony IDs or wads of cash he normally would have turned away, he sold pistols, rifles and semiautomatics. He was assured by the ATF that they would follow the guns, and that the surveillance would lead the agents to the violent Mexican drug cartels on the Southwest border.
When Howard heard nothing about any arrests, he questioned the agents. Keep selling, they told him. So hundreds of thousands of dollars more in weapons, including .50-caliber sniper rifles, walked out of the front door of his store in a Glendale, Ariz., strip mall.
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Some 2,000 firearms from the Lone Wolf Trading Company store and others in southern Arizona were illegally sold under an ATF program called Fast and Furious that allowed "straw purchasers" to walk away with the weapons and turn them over to criminal traffickers. But the agency's plan to trace the guns to the cartels never worked. As the case of the two Lone Wolf AK-47s tragically illustrates, the ATF, with a limited force of agents, did not keep track of them.
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The Mexican government maintains that an undisclosed number of Fast and Furious weapons have been found at some 170 crime scenes in their country.
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During an interview on Thursday evening with CNN’s Anderson Cooper, Issa said he’s concerned that ATF agents may have used tactics similar to Fast and Furious in Texas as well.
“Well we are, and there are similarities,” Issa told Cooper. “These were known straw buyers that were not intercepted or stopped, and ultimately gun walking, everyone has a different definition, but when you let weapons go from the control of a federally licensed gun dealer, to a straw purchaser, to an intermediary, and ultimately to the scene of a crime, if you don’t interdict that immediately and or follow the weapons and interdict it before you lose control, you’re gun walking and clearly appears to have happened in Texas.”
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originally posted by: Argyll
I don't think anyone is going to take your guns of you anytime soon.
BS....Nobody is going to take our guns! If they were they would start with the firearm manufacturing, ammo, shooting sports, hunting and shooting accessories businesses. Shut down a multi billion dollar industry...get real!! In fact firearm manufacturing is on the rise, to the tune of 8 million guns a year.