How can one 3rd grader be allowed to terrorize a whole school?

a reply to: Sremmos80

The media mentioned nothing about race which is what they usually do when that detail is problematic.

Horrible School. I'd like to see some kid try that to my kids. Two things would happen. A. I would not relent until that kid was expelled, removed or transferred to a facility that can handle him. The parents of the kids in that school are to blame as they apparently don't care what happens to their children there. No, not the bad kids parents but the other parents of the other students in that school. B. My Children would whoop that kids ass if he tried anything on them. That would stop him pretty quick.

C. When I'm teaching children, if they are minor disruptive...the class can still continue, I make sure that I catch them doing things right and give them lots of attention for it, minor punishments like removal from a group activity, perhaps pushups or not allowing them to come to a future event. Also talking to that student in one on one sessions to get to know them and make a connection. These things usually work.

D. If the Child is way beyond those kinds of measures, as this child surely is, then he cannot come to any group classes. He would need to be in an individual class environment where we can work on his issues one on one without inhibiting anyone else or stopping anyone else from learning and getting the benefits they deserve.

School needs to isolate this child immediately. Parent's need to act like parents and call, email and visit the school-every hour of every day if need be until the relentless pressure creates the change they need to make happen.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Sremmos80

The media mentioned nothing about race which is what they usually do when that detail is problematic.

It would be interesting to know this information. But, according to Zillow, Mt. Diablo Elementary School is only 1% black.

www.zillow.com...-student_subgroups

One of the other kids needs to chew a Pop Tart in the shape of a gun and plant it on him.

a reply to: ketsuko

Or they didn't feel the need to mention the race.
They also didn't mention if he was special needs or not, should we assume either way?

Seriously, we don't know anything about this, why are trying so hard to bring race into this?

Disruptive kids come in all races.

a reply to: yeahright

Well they would have to get him to point it at people and pretend to shoot them as well.

If we want to keep the full context of that.

www.msn.com...

Here's a link with video. The school is ethnically diverse with about 40% white and then Asians and Hispanics with blacks being the lowest ethnicity. The Chantelle quoted in the OP is black as you can see.

So there is no way to know for sure what the ethnicity of the kid in question is.

Hence why I mentioned the policy of the DoJ and said "may."

However, I would guess the odds of this kid being special needs in some way are about as good as the odds of him being a specific ethnicity. So your "may" is as good as mine, Sremmos. The only difference in our speculations is that mine stems from a DoJ policy and yours from idle speculation.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ketsuko

Or they didn't feel the need to mention the race.
They also didn't mention if he was special needs or not, should we assume either way?

Seriously, we don't know anything about this, why are trying so hard to bring race into this?

Disruptive kids come in all races.

Some of my most disruptive...well that's not true. The last three truly disruptive students I've had...I mean almost as bad as in this article.... They've all been white!

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ketsuko

Or they didn't feel the need to mention the race.
They also didn't mention if he was special needs or not, should we assume either way?

Seriously, we don't know anything about this, why are trying so hard to bring race into this?

Disruptive kids come in all races.

It was less about race and more about the way that the current admin has tied the hands of school admins to discipline kids.

You are the one who made it about race.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ketsuko

Or they didn't feel the need to mention the race.
They also didn't mention if he was special needs or not, should we assume either way?

Seriously, we don't know anything about this, why are trying so hard to bring race into this?

Disruptive kids come in all races.

Some of my most disruptive...well that's not true. The last three truly disruptive students I've had...I mean almost as bad as in this article.... They've all been white!

I worked inner city classrooms. They were mainly all bad: black, white, latino, etc. You had a narrow percentage of kids who were good, and that had little to do with skin.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ketsuko

Or they didn't feel the need to mention the race.
They also didn't mention if he was special needs or not, should we assume either way?

Seriously, we don't know anything about this, why are trying so hard to bring race into this?

Disruptive kids come in all races.

It was less about race and more about the way that the current admin has tied the hands of school admins to discipline kids.

You are the one who made it about race.

and this isn't about Obama, it's about the other parent's being to lazy or too afraid to do anything to make this school take action against this crazy kid. That's where the blame lies.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ketsuko

Or they didn't feel the need to mention the race.
They also didn't mention if he was special needs or not, should we assume either way?

Seriously, we don't know anything about this, why are trying so hard to bring race into this?

Disruptive kids come in all races.

True. Disruptive kids can be any race. However, if this kid is one of the 1% blacks, that is worth examining for two reasons: #1 - Is he being picked on or bullied to the extent that he is lashing out. #2 - We have a disproportionate problem in America with extreme violent young black males. It is time we become aware and pay attention to the early warning signs.

But, regardless of what race he is, something is seriously wrong with a school that lets one kid terrorize a whole school to the point parents are pulling their children out.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ketsuko

Or they didn't feel the need to mention the race.
They also didn't mention if he was special needs or not, should we assume either way?

Seriously, we don't know anything about this, why are trying so hard to bring race into this?

Disruptive kids come in all races.

It was less about race and more about the way that the current admin has tied the hands of school admins to discipline kids.

You are the one who made it about race.

Corporal punishment in schools is a state issue. Any punishment for that matter is a state or local issue. The current admin has absolutely nothing to do with it.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ketsuko

Or they didn't feel the need to mention the race.
They also didn't mention if he was special needs or not, should we assume either way?

Seriously, we don't know anything about this, why are trying so hard to bring race into this?

Disruptive kids come in all races.

Some of my most disruptive...well that's not true. The last three truly disruptive students I've had...I mean almost as bad as in this article.... They've all been white!

I worked inner city classrooms. They were mainly all bad: black, white, latino, etc. You had a narrow percentage of kids who were good, and that had little to do with skin.

No kid is truly bad, the only really "bad' kids are the ones you can't make a connection with. Almost like they are incapable of talking to you about how their feeling or they can't focus on what you are saying long enough to give you an appropriate response. For those types of kids, I'd tell the parent to shut off all TV, Video games, Phones and Sugar for a month and see how they respond then.

a reply to: ketsuko

SERIOUSLY?!
Go fly a freaking kite if you are really saying I brought race up.

Remember, certain ethnic groups have to be disciplined differently in school now because it was found they were being suspended too much and too often as compared to other ethnic groups. That may be your answer

YOU brought it up.

This admin has done nothing, it has always been difficult to expel a kid.
And again, we know nothing about this kid or what the school has or has not done.

But of course it is Obama's fault.

a reply to: ketsuko

My may also doesn't have the implications yours does and the baiting and trolling you are trying to accomplish.

The odd thing about this is if some other kids defends him/herself they will most likely be expelled.

How about you expel the kid that is terrorizing the whole school.

Just my opinion

originally posted by: yeahright
One of the other kids needs to chew a Pop Tart in the shape of a gun and plant it on him.

Nothing would get done about it in this school I'm sure. Poor name for a place of education btw.
I could sit here and analyze what could possibly be wrong with this kid..but I see a bigger issue. Why is the principal locking down the school? Why does this kid get preference over the rights of others? It's the thought process of the principal I'd rather analyze than what could be wrong with the kid. This person in a position of authority and power, is not using it wisely. My 2 cents.

a reply to: amazing

Okay, i am probably about to piss a lot of people off here but but having been a parent that battle the county of educators for 7 years and finally won, I feel i can address this in a balanced manner...In fact I help parents now with this exact same issue....

Number one and most importantly, the child has a serious disability which results in serious behavioral problems.. Having raised a child just as wild an unpredictable not bullying or being violent to the students, my son would go missing almost every other day!!

It is the SCHOOLS RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE TESTING FOR THIS CHILD TO HELP DETERMINE HOW THEY CAN BEST HELP HIM!

Any teacher worth her/his salt would recognize right away that this child is not functioning well enough to even be in a school!

There are social workers, psychologists, Occupational Therapists, Speech Therapists, Teachers that evaluate learning disabilities etc......The teachers are the ones to be held accountable and should be working very closely with the parents and health care providers instead of exploiting this entire situation and allowing cameras in to talk to other parents!!

Here is the FEDERAL LAW regarding what is going on here! IDEA The Individual Disability Education ACT states: Every Child IS Entitled To A Free Appropriate Education

To begin with notice the word 'DISABILITY' There are several hoops to jump through before a school wants to recognize a child with a disability....But the short version....They provide all the testing they feel necessary to meet the child's needs
and the parents have the right to ask for the school to provide additional testing....The parents also have the right to have their child tested in the private sector as well!

The child is then placed in a 504 plan : The least restrictive environment but mainstreamed,,,,,

If the 504 fails then the child is moved into an IEP and so on and so forth!!

This school and the county better be very careful in how they are portraying this kid! if I were the parent of this child I would sue the hell out of the school and the district!! it is utterly beyond my comprehension why this child and the way he is behaving is even in the school!!

And FYI when you have a child throwing things at other students, screaming. locking doors. running around like a maniac. you do NOT impose consequences because it takes a rational individual to understand consequences and clearly this child's behavior is not rational! You have no idea what is going on with this kid and From the behavior I have heard this kid sounds like he is on the Autistic spectrum somewhere!

For example when my child was at his worst, He was being sent into in school detention and because his perception of the friendly police officer was one of ;that officer will hand cuff me and take me to jail while your at work and i will never see you again!! And no one will no where I am and i will get hurt and be screaming for help but no one will come!! And then i will begin to think maybe they just forgot about me and maybe they don't love me anymore! what did I do? I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry!!!

I have just painted a picture of what goes on in the mind of child with Aspergers Syndrome and Serious mood disorder with psychotic features!! That line of thinking was going on inside of my child......so when he refused to go into detention the cop called for assistance from the principle! Which, led to the principle talking to the officer privately but my son was aware and my son was terrified!! The principle walked into his office, my son was in a chair and the principle reached to answer the office phone! when this happened my son flipped out and tried to run...the principle grabbed my son and tried to hold him (not hard) but pushed down on his shoulders to keep him in there....and my child went ballistic!!

He kicked the principle and was screaming like someone who was being tortured! My son managed to get out of the office and bolt down the hallway out of the door and heading right into heavy traffic on the highway....The more they chased him
the further he would run.....He was completely unaware of anything except trying to save his own life!

By the time I got to school it was 'ON" teachers everywhere police involved and my child sobbing on the ground but NO ONE could touch him or move towards him!! This act as horrific as it was for all of us involved resulted in 2 things....

1. I spent the next 2 months trying to hospitalize my child long term for help as recommended by his psychiatrist

2. since the school failed to provide an 'Appropriate' public education they now had the responsibility of paying for a Private Education!! Very Expensive but literally saved my child's life! he attended a Special Needs Day School where he was in contact with teachers, aides, specialists working with him 8 hours a day 5 days a week...He received classes that specialized in social skills, sharing, taking turns, learning about personal space, patience, keeping hands to yourself!

What my child should have been able to understand at 4,5,6. or 7 he was developmentally delayed and did not fully grasp until he hit puberty!! Everyday was a challenge!!

Here is the crux and root of these kinds of problems! The school cost $32,000 dollars a year! and the county had to pay for it!! Had I not hired a private Education Advocate my son would probably not be here!! I was that parent who would not go away!! The public school systems answer was to place my child in an ED room Emotional Disturbed when he was in the 4th grade with one first grader and a second grader! He was not allowed to interact with his peers at all! he was not allowed to eat lunch in the cafeteria!! He sat all day in a room completely isolated with a partition in front of him! So the counties answer to a child that already feels isolated is to isolate them more!!

I was losing my mind! But they do not want to pay for it and will stonewall parents as long as they get away with it!!

Anyway, my point is this child is in crisis and shame on the school and the parents for not being able to recognize a mental health issue!! And to allow cameras onto the school grounds is just sick and twisted and egregiously violates that child's rights!

Don't be so quick to judge and blame the parents until you have stood in there shoes! I promise you, you are not seeing the whole picture!

Thanks,

Pax

a reply to: paxnatus

I agree with everything you've said but here are my concerns. I have taught children with Asperger's and Autism. Some are quite capable of taking a group class and some are not and might never be, just so you know I have some experience.

1. The Parent should not have apparently just dropped the student off in a regular class without letting the School or someone know that there might be behavior issues. You wouldn't have.
2. As you said, any teacher or administrator that knew anything would recognize right away that there is an issue and not left the student in that group class setting, disrupting the class. Steps should have been taken immediately.
3. Since the administration did and is doing nothing, that child is disrupting other students' learning and that can't be tolerated. For that child's sake and every other child, unrelenting pressure must be put on the teacher, principle and school board to correct the situation. I know. I've had issues with my children's schools before. Unrelenting and increasing pressure will get you any result you want, you just have to want to fight for what's best for your child. If the parent of that child is unwilling or unable to apply that necessary pressure then it is up to the other parents with students in that school to apply it and make the change.