Christians in America Murdered for Their Faith; Media Yawns

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

WHO TAUGHT THEM to give up their LIVES for some cultish belief???

Perhaps there is more to religion than you give credit for.

This is just a glimpse of the faith that runs strong.

but you do not Know of that

Jill what would you be willing to die for?

a reply to: angeldoll

I don't hate Christians! I hate that they expect people to treat them with kid gloves, and they teach their children to feel worthless and scared and expect to be persecuted. It is IRRATIONAL to tell a killer that you are "right for the part" of the victim.

It is IRRATIONAL to answer "yes" to a question when "yes" will ensure your DEATH.

a reply to: deadeyedick

My children. My husband. My mother. Period.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: uncommitted

I'd be extremely cautious with the comments in your last paragraph, not only does history show that having no faith hasn't stopped the cull of those who profess a faith...

You're right. It doesn't. History also shows that having faith doesn't stop the cull of those who profess no faith.

...and if you look for terms such as millitant atheist, atheism etc, you may be surprised.

No surprise at all, sir. There are always psycho's on both sides of any debate who think they are right in resorting to violence.

Not sure why you should though, atheism where people group together to profess it fairly much defines it as a cult

Not at all. That makes them a group of people who are of like mind. If your statement were the case, all religion would be defined as cults, simply for gathering at church/synagogue.

Actually my friend, religion technically is a cult, it ticks all the boxes, it's just an official cult

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Well then just reflect the same amount of love you have for your family and your period onto a deity and that is how this happens.

It's sad that anyone was targeted. Blacks in a church, Christians in a school. Haters will always hate. See enough of that here.

originally posted by: deadeyedick

originally posted by: uncommitted
a reply to: DeathSlayer

There was coverage on UK news that witnesses said the shooter said stand up if you are Christian, those that did were shot dead (or at least those he shot, I don't know if that was all that had identified themselves as such). Although this sounds like a touchy point, they didn't die for their faith (ie, there is nothing I've seen reported where he said words to the effect of 'I'm here to kill Christians, identify yourselves') IMHO, but because of it - if I understood correctly, when he asked the question it could have been the non-Christians he decided should die.

That's not in anyway demeaning the senseless, ridiculous loss of life regardless of faith, colour, creed, gender/gender preference because some idiot thinks he has a right to take their life away from them

LOL
That is quite the twist in logic you just done.

Of coarse they were killed because they were christian

The twist in logic is that there is nothing to show they knew they would be killed for saying they were Christian. If they had, maybe, just maybe they would have not demonstrated they were - neither you nor I were there so hard to say isn't it?

a reply to: uncommitted

according to reports this happened in front of the rest and after the first wrong answer they knew what would happen if they told the truth. Yet they did tell the truth.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
It's sad that anyone was targeted. Blacks in a church, Christians in a school. Haters will always hate. See enough of that here.

Good point

also the media and everyone dismissed the Christian aspect of the ones in the church that were gunned down.

claiming that being black is the reason when it was just as much being Christian that got them killed

originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: grandmakdw
a reply to: Klassified

Not surprised.

ad hominem post.

Sigh. Honestly I expected more from you.

Not the others, they are so entrenched
in their hatred that they are blind to
their own deep and entrenched hatred
of Christians.

Not so you.

Just add Non- before the Christians part and you basically explained your stance.

Oh, my dear you are so wrong.

I have stated repeatedly on ATS
I am a live and let live person
believe what you want or don't believe, I really don't care
gay, fine, I don't care
transsexual, fine, I don't care
want to marry 5 people, fine, I don't care
Wiccan, fine, I don't care
Satanist, fine, I don't care
Atheist, fine, I don't care

People are free to make their own choices
about the life they live,
live and let live is my motto as long as
you don't hurt anyone physically
or harm property
or harm children
hurt people's feelings, so what, as long as you don't
....harm them or their property or throw out
....such venom toward other groups that you incite
....them to harm others or harm property

I am fighting the venom that
you can see quite clearly on this thread
toward Christians.
This venom spewing contributed to the
shooter asking are you Christian then
shooting those in the head who said yes,
and shooting those in the knee who said no.

I could care less if you are a non-believer
just don't go around inciting others to hate
so much that they act out because of the
hatred and venom that one spews toward
a particular group.
That is how it all started in Germany
when the National Socialists were in power.

I don't say on ATS,
all atheism must be abolished from the face of the earth,
all atheism is a plague on mankind that has infected the earth,
all atheists are ..... (name what is spouted about Christians)
I don't say any of those things at all.

I could care less if you are an atheist, just quit trying to
force everyone to be an atheist.
Just quit calling people of faith ugly names and attribute
all the ills that are on the earth to people of faith.

As we have seen atheists like Stalin and Mao
have acted just as ugly, evil etc as you claim
people "like me" are. Do you see us saying that
all atheists are like Stalin and Mao, and say that
is proof that atheism should be wiped from the
face of the earth because of the actions of Stalin
and Mao,
no you don't.

Live and let live as an atheist
stop repeating the mantra that
"All Christians are...(name the ugly and evil meme of the day)"
"Religion is responsible for all the ills of the world today"
which leads to a National Socialist mentality toward
people of faith
and I will not think any less of
you as a person

and will continue to support your right to atheism

and will continue to support your right not believe.

I wish all atheists a happy life as atheists and truly believe
if that is what you have chosen, fine,
and choose a lifestyle and attitude of live and let live
toward those who have chosen a different way to think
and believe than you.

a reply to: deadeyedick

If one of my kids was killed for telling a killer "yes" - I would be devastated that they didn't have the common sense to LIE about it. And for a "deity" that never, ever shows his face? No way.

a reply to: deadeyedick

according to reports this happened in front of the rest and after the first wrong answer they knew what would happen if they told the truth. Yet they did tell the truth.

Yep.

Stupid.

So the solution would have been to surrender. Deny your faith, deny anything that would keep you alive. We see ISIS kill people that don't conform to their version od Islam. We saw the Nazi's kill everyone that didn't conform to their ideology.

Just surrender. Give up. Renounce your faith. Wave the white flag. Better to live on your knees than die on your feet.

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: uncommitted

I'd be extremely cautious with the comments in your last paragraph, not only does history show that having no faith hasn't stopped the cull of those who profess a faith...

You're right. It doesn't. History also shows that having faith doesn't stop the cull of those who profess no faith.

...and if you look for terms such as millitant atheist, atheism etc, you may be surprised.

No surprise at all, sir. There are always psycho's on both sides of any debate who think they are right in resorting to violence.

Not sure why you should though, atheism where people group together to profess it fairly much defines it as a cult

Not at all. That makes them a group of people who are of like mind. If your statement were the case, all religion would be defined as cults, simply for gathering at church/synagogue.

Actually my friend, religion technically is a cult, it ticks all the boxes, it's just an official cult

I can't argue with that. But the modern definition is designed to be politically correct. So some religions aren't a cult, even though they are.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
So the solution would have been to surrender. Deny your faith, deny anything that would keep you alive. We see ISIS kill people that don't conform to their version od Islam. We saw the Nazi's kill everyone that didn't conform to their ideology.

Just surrender. Give up. Renounce your faith. Wave the white flag. Better to live on your knees than die on your feet.

Yes, they believe that.

So did the people who lived under National Socialists.

What we are seeing here
with the religion haters
is a form of National Socialism
at it's finest.

Hope they understand what radical
socialism leads to and the path
they are advocating for everyone to follow.

We are seeing a repeat of the build up to
the atrocities of
WWII in this thread.

a reply to: Klassified

I thought a cult had to have a human figure head?.
I dunno what is the actual difference?.

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: grandmakdw
a reply to: Klassified

Not surprised.

ad hominem post.

Sigh. Honestly I expected more from you.

Not the others, they are so entrenched
in their hatred that they are blind to
their own deep and entrenched hatred
of Christians.

Not so you.

Just add Non- before the Christians part and you basically explained your stance.

Oh, my dear you are so wrong.

I have stated repeatedly on ATS
I am a live and let live person
believe what you want or don't believe, I really don't care
gay, fine, I don't care
transsexual, fine, I don't care
want to marry 5 people, fine, I don't care
Wiccan, fine, I don't care
Satanist, fine, I don't care
Atheist, fine, I don't care

People are free to make their own choices
about the life they live,
live and let live is my motto as long as
you don't hurt anyone physically
or harm property
or harm children
hurt people's feelings, so what, as long as you don't
....harm them or their property or throw out
....such venom toward other groups that you incite
....them to harm others or harm property

I am fighting the venom that
you can see quite clearly on this thread
toward Christians.
This venom spewing contributed to the
shooter asking are you Christian then
shooting those in the head who said yes,
and shooting those in the knee who said no.

I could care less if you are a non-believer
just don't go around inciting others to hate
so much that they act out because of the
hatred and venom that one spews toward
a particular group.
That is how it all started in Germany
when the National Socialists were in power.

I don't say on ATS,
all atheism must be abolished from the face of the earth,
all atheism is a plague on mankind that has infected the earth,
all atheists are ..... (name what is spouted about Christians)
I don't say any of those things at all.

I could care less if you are an atheist, just quit trying to
force everyone to be an atheist.
Just quit calling people of faith ugly names and attribute
all the ills that are on the earth to people of faith.

As we have seen atheists like Stalin and Mao
have acted just as ugly, evil etc as you claim
people "like me" are. Do you see us saying that
all atheists are like Stalin and Mao, and say that
is proof that atheism should be wiped from the
face of the earth because of the actions of Stalin
and Mao,
no you don't.

Live and let live as an atheist
stop repeating the mantra that
"All Christians are...(name the ugly and evil meme of the day)"
"Religion is responsible for all the ills of the world today"
which leads to a National Socialist mentality toward
people of faith
and I will not think any less of
you as a person

and will continue to support your right to atheism

and will continue to support your right not believe.

I wish all atheists a happy life as atheists and truly believe
if that is what you have chosen, fine, live and let live.

I've already mentioned numerous times I am only talking to the Christians that use these tragedies to push their persecution agenda. I'm over this thread though it's just a bunch of whining anyways with nothing but propaganda.

"People of all faiths around the world die every day for their faith, Christians yawn until it's Christians who are killed."

Another thread highlighting the persecution complex of Christians.

Christians aren't the only ones who are persecuted for their beliefs, but I guess ignoring that fact helps you sleep at night?

a reply to: DeathSlayer

They are working towards a different agenda at the moment.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
It is IRRATIONAL to answer "yes" to a question when "yes" will ensure your DEATH.

A martyrs blood is never wasted.

It only raises up more Stephens, more Saul’s who became Paul’s.

The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church. ~ Tertullian

The people in Oregon that died for their faith didn't lie to protect their lives.

They died for the man who died for them, and now they are with their Father in their permanent home.

“He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.” ~ Jim Elliot ('Voice of the Martyrs' MP3)

“Every man gives his life for what he believes. Every woman gives her life for what she believes.

Sometimes people believe in little or nothing, and so they give their lives to little or nothing. One life is all we have, and we live it as we believe in living it…and then it’s gone.

But to surrender who you are and to live without belief is more terrible than dying – even more terrible than dying young.” ~ Jeanne d'Arc

Matthew 10:33 says: “But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.”

Life is short, ETERNITY is not...

“We just don’t want to come to the end of our lives and realize that we were playing a game." ~ Francis Chan

Source: The First American - Google Books