Religion is humans biggest failure...

After thousands of years of power, where religious entities spread their 'truth' (disinformation) about world, how to live, what to do, who to be with, what way to have sex.... etc... all of that based on NO evidence at all, is it safe to conclude that humans misuse of need to belong to group (called now day religion) and destruction religion caused - religion is our biggest failure.

It is just incredible that we had to fight every inch of progress, because people selling thin air were against it and because it was against their 'holy' books that have no more knowledge about world then resat of fantasy and fairy tale books?! Only actual difference is that grown up people are taking those fairy tales as truth, witch is unbelievable to any reason driven person. Those stories ARE NO different from ancient mythology. Actually, certain mythology stories ARE actually in Bible for example.

Not log ago, I had topic where we discussed all discoveries from ancient times, knowledge, that got lost due to religion. Here is link: www.abovetopsecret.com...

So, in my opinion, religion is our biggest failure, and progress we see today was possible ONLY after religion lost its grasp... with people adopting laws that prohibit power from religion. Even today, in USA where I live today, people are using religion to stop progress for example in tissue engineering, science that might one day solve our issue with organ donations.

Also, very important is to mention that all those religions actually are dividing us, humans. It is sad that people can have no feeling just because someone is different religion, or has no religion at all. For example, just look at recent post about Russia bombing CIA based groups in Syria. www.abovetopsecret.com... Second post, one with most of reader agreed with, actually shows how association with wrong religion makes people not think that there are kids, civilians, old that got killed by bombing... and most stupid thing - not all living there are Muslims...

It is really sad that we, humans, are capable of this kind of apathy, just because of religion allows us to do it.

This reminds me of discussion with Dawkins, Hitchens and couple others - We'd be better off without religion.



I am sorry, video is bit long, but basically 3 atheists and 3 theist were given time for introduction, then they answered questions and made closing arguments. In the end, more people agreed that we are better off without religion.

What do you think??

As Hitchens book say's......God is not great....Religion spoils everything it touches.

I thought humans were religions biggest failure

Communism
Socialism
Atheism
Muslin ism
Christianism
Buddhism

et all

Some people just like to blame others and deny any responsibility for themselves

Hitchens, just a troll.

The attack is non-stop. Not surprising.

As the socialist doctrine replaces the deity with a gov't as being the all-powerful, all-pervasive 'God'.

The irony is both are frauds......

a reply to: SuperFrog

I agree 100 percent my friend. Now you do know someone is going to condemn you to hell for your views just because their religious doctrines says so.

a reply to: nwtrucker

It needs to be attacked.
God does not need any religion or holy book we know what right and wrong, social evolution did this so we can live together as a social species.
Religion is mans version of god and when people can't agree on what version they kill each other in the name of their own version of God...it's backward.
Oh and Jesus if he existed was a socialist.

Chris says it best here why we need to fight it.



Oh and I believe in God.

Oh and talking about frauds but following a man made version of God lol.

a reply to: SuperFrog

The creation of gods and spirits were essential for our cave dwelling ancestors, to understand the power of nature, of life, death, etc. I think the problem started when the concept of worship was discovered.

I personally believe religions do more harm than good for the many reasons you have stated: religions divide us into 'tribes', they make believers incredibly judgmental (as seen on ATS constantly)... religions basically support mindless beliefs instead of reasoning.

There is evidence to suggest that the least religious countries are the safest, healthiest etc in the world, and I agree:
www.amazon.com...

I have seen families torn apart by religion. People who grew up in a particular sect that later decided to leave it have been shunned, disfellowshipped, and abandoned all in the name of religious doctrine. They lost their friends and family because the religion had a particular interpretation of some scripture that required this. Shameful.

Religion does not = God. God is so much bigger than that, but some religions hinder you from finding God.

a reply to: SuperFrog

Truth is my religion, knowledge is my guide and learning is my spirituality. I gave up on the Catholic church many many years ago after a massive argument with the now Cardinal Pell (from Perth). I am constantly learning, especially right here on ATS.

Dorkins et al, tip-toe around militant Islam and Zionism whilst hammering Christianity and neary a mention of Buddhism etc - that makes them cowardly hypocritical bitches...the lot of them. I place them in the same category as the Pope, Bishops, Imams and Rabbis - control freaks with a baseless chant.

Anyway, I'd still like to know how we went from an explosion to a self aware human in the space of 5 minutes - comparatively speaking in reference to the apparent age of the universe......according to academia experts.

and I would like it to be given to me in a single logical paragraph, not a thesis of mumbo jumbo ramblings that somehow ties-in evolution (which does have a limited scientific basis btw) - don't worry, I can science as good as the next bloke, and I've indulged in the "ATS-Library".

Unfortunately, still no answer to the bolded simple question above.

a reply to: boymonkey74

No, your right. Still what is right or wrong didn't come out of any Psych. course or humanity study. the basics are well known, again from religion. Without which there would be no civilization.

I would attack gov'ts as a generalization before Religion. THEY are the source of war.

Neither gov't nor religion shoud dominate the other, in my view. Both have liabilities that I can see.

A truly religious person is no threat to anyone. By definition. (Except perhaps TPTB that desire gov'ts or Corporations to be the 'new deity'......

a reply to: nwtrucker

Religion has no claim on our morals so don't attempt to say they do.
Religion has had a chance and people can see now that it is wrong and backward...blame knowledge and education.
Remember religion does not equal God you don't need a rule book or any one elses help to find your God.


But it matters not in the long run there will be only one religion one day.

To me, religion is like the travel guide. At some point, you have to put the book down and take the journey. Some take the spiritual journey and don't bother with the book in the first place.

You can become too "religious" about lots of things. Sometimes I think it is just human nature to latch onto a philosophy and take it to the level of a religion. Some personality types can't help but go over the top.

Environmentalism and climate change advocacy are the two new up and coming "religions" for today's fanatics. They need something to believe in wholeheartedly and many have become over-the-top crazy quoting various statistics like scripture and so-called climate experts like their prophets.

a reply to: boymonkey74

You said it, I didn't. Not a 'claim' on morals. Without any logical argument the disseminator of the original morals is religion based.

Frankly, not only morals, in general, but the concept of consequence of one's actions is religion based, as well. If you don't think that has given pause to acts by untold millions and mitigated the basic insanity in humanity, you'd be mistaken.

This is beyond simple, sir. Unless one has acts that one would avoid the consequences of....

a reply to: queenofswords

Agreed. One 'could' say that all a religion is is a spiritualist who's ideas got traction with others...

a reply to: nwtrucker

Frankly, not only morals, in general, but the concept of consequence of one's actions is religion based, as well.

Consequences? You mean like a lightening bolt, a volcano or an earthquake? Those kinds of consequences? They're based in ignorance, fear and superstition, just like Heaven and Hell.

If men didn't have religion they'd still kill one another and find something other than religion to justify it.

I agree with ATSer raggedyman. Hitchins and Dawkins are just trolls. Psuedo-intellectuals who like to think they're
modern day Aristotles. They offer no answers. Just blame all man's ills on religion.

The fact is, there are a lot of loving, caring "religious" people out there who truly make this world a better place.
Sure there are some wacko, fanatical loons. Nobody can deny that. But if those nuts didn't have religion, they'd still be unstable. I've seen unstable people get into what they think is Christianity, and go off the deep end.
Did "Christianity" make them that way? No. They're unstable to begin with.

Very good point by Hitch the one I mostly do try to tell folk about religion.



By what right has anyone got to try and tell others they know God.

a reply to: SuperFrog

While I agree that religion is unnecessary, I do not consider it to be human beings greatest failure, even without religion as a scapegoat, there are far to many other failings to consider.

Greed, vanity, selfishness, hatred, war, anger, pettiness, jealousy...anyone of these could be considered a failure greater than religion.

On the first day, the bomb dropped on Hiroshima killed 45,000 people.

The Spanish Inquisition lasted for more than 250 years and only killed about 3,000 people.

a reply to: nwtrucker

No, your right. Still what is right or wrong didn't come out of any Psych. course or humanity study. the basics are well known, again from religion. Without which there would be no civilization.

Morals and ethics pre-date religion, and came out of the necessity for humans to live and work together. Religion picked up on these agreements made between humans, and usurped them to their advantage. And religion is still doing so, out of ignorance at this point, rather than knowledge or plagiarism.

A truly religious person is no threat to anyone.

Perhaps you could define what a "truly religious" person is, because it seems to me I've known of some truly religious people who thought it was just fine to commit some of the most heinous crimes in known human history.