Climate Change and Man Made Global Warming. Who's actually saying What?

Climate Change and Man Made Global Warming. Who's Actually Saying What?

As I was having a discussion in another thread recently, I kept having a problem. I would get response with link to some kind of Scientist etc. to debunk this or get the other side, not being a scientist, I would say well NASA is telling me that Man Made Global Warming is real and there is a link from NASA's Website listing 200 other organizations and associations that support that Man is Causing the Earth to Warm do to his activities, but apparently that's not enough for a Skeptic. Government agencies lie to us all the time apparently, so you can't believe a word they say.

Anyways here's that link.

climate.nasa.gov...

It links many organziations such as:

American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Chemical Society
American Geophysical Union
American Medical Association
American Meteorological Society
The Geological Society of America
U.S. Global Change Research Program

Just to name a couple.

But google searches such as "Who is saying Man Made Global Warming is Real" "Who are the leading Climate Scientists and what are they saying about Climate Change" Etc. Bring up long lists of questionable content. Mainly blogs but no real sources.

So this Thread is really a question. Who are the leading Climate Scientists and what are they saying? Which College Science Departments are most respected in the world and what are they saying? Which Climate Scientists no matter, which position they take do you listen to or do you encourage me to listen to and read? Who should I be reading and listening to? Who is part of the scientific consensus? Sure, individuals are arguing against Man Made Global Warming, but which Groups, organizations and associations have taken a united stand against it?

I used to believe that, as far as earth science went, which includes our climate, that you couldn't go wrong with NASA. I also used to believe everything Bill Nye said about science, I really respected him. But apparently these are wolf in sheeps clothing. Who is saying what about Climate and who should I be listening to?

Don't believe nothing anyone says.

There is always an agenda, and those looking in to cash in on it.

This is made infinity worse when politics has been thrown in the mix.

The sad part is over the last 20 years NASA, and scientist's have lost all credibility.

Because it's more about the money. Than the science.

However people are free to believe the sky is falling of their own volition.

But they are not offering any REAL solutions to what has been happening on this rock for over 5 billion years.

Man made global warming= The new Mayan prophecy that is currently trolling the world.

a reply to: amazing

Well, climate change is based on Carbon Dioxide output ... by human beings. It's like saying there are too many people in the world, and too few plants. Or, too many "cows" farting ... that is, the "carbon dioxide" and "methane" climate changes.

Extremely simplified ... but, non the less, makes a point. The argument "for" climae changes, by man. Is that "we need more taxes", the ironic view. And "better safe than sorry", this one of course makes sense. Control the amount of polution.

However, basically the "ice" says the following ... "climate change" came long before carbon dioxide change. By several centuries. So, oobs ... and we also know, by human recollection that there have been several "enormous" heat waves. Think "dynosaurs" ... Oh man, it must have been hot here then! Or, "egypt" and the drought that caused the 10 plagues. Just remove "god" and insert "natural phenomena" ... you'll get the point.

And finally, one single vulcanic eruption will spew more deadly gases, even greenhouse gases, that man could muster in centuries.

Of course, none of this means ... we should keep our wits about us, and be careful. Which is why the "exageration" takes place. Better safe, than sorry.

a reply to: neo96

You know that the earth didn't have for billions of years?
Us.

I know we like to think we have zero impact on the earth, but that just isn't true.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: neo96

You know that the earth didn't have for billions of years?
Us.

I know we like to think we have zero impact on the earth, but that just isn't true.

For billions of years in earths history, modern science has confirmed that Climate fluctuates, since earth has seen ICE ages and periods of warmer temperatures, I don't think it's entirely man made.

I agree man has contributed to a certain degree to Global warming but ultimately it has happened before and it will happen again. It's a mostly likely a cycle, like any other cycles we observe in this world.

Peace

a reply to: InnerPeace2012

Yes, we get that the temperature changes.
That isn't the point of climate change, it is just a red herring people like to use.

They are not saying the temperature shouldn't be changing, not by any means.

Pretty soon you're going to see a number on all appliances that will indicate how it's energy usage will impact your "carbon score". I'm guessing they will implement a system similar to the credit score currently being used to marginalize our existence. It will fluctuate based on your living habits and waste generation. Unless you're wealthy, forget about it.

It will be used against you when shopping for a house, car or appliance. "I'm sorry, your carbon score is maxed out for the month, I cannot complete the transaction", even though you have thousands in the bank. Grilling in your backyard will become a luxury and without a low flow shower head installed, your carbon score will reflect the "extra" water usage.

a reply to: amazing

Climate science is probably more about the data but even the data seems to have headed south with new ways of adjusting and crunching the stuff . Climate Audit climateaudit.org... is a site you couldn't really go wrong looking into . Steve McIntyre does a good job at keeping the discussion on topic . He has some really good people contributing to the threads . Whats Up With That wattsupwiththat.com... has a lively comment section but they also have some good contributors and if you are wanting to learn about what is being talked about there you will get a respectful reply . Other then those two there are a good batch of links to other sites that discuss AGAW/Global Warming/climate change on the side bar there ...best of luck ..

a reply to: Sremmos80

I agree with you, it's all agenda driven, to benefit the few that run the corporations.

Peace

a reply to: amazing

I've noticed a bunch of threads on this. If it is caused by man or if it isn't, what are the solutions? I think that's what most have an issue with. The solutions. To enact any real change, the entire planet would have to get involved. And people can't even decide on gay marriage in the same state!
So call it man made, call it natural. Use all the proof you want. Until we start talking about solutions, this is just an exercise in debate.

a reply to: DBCowboy

We have to agree that something needs to be solved before we can start talking solutions.

And people keep trying to throw out the whole topic any time a solution they don't agree with comes out.

Like cap and trade, since that isn't perfect it must mean that everything is a hoax.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Right now, the only solutions from one country (USA) has been to raise taxes. Give me other solutions. Do you have any?

Good input so far, but nothing I can hang my hat on. For the Record I do believe NASA on this, but who are you guys listening to? Who are you reading? Who makes up the consensus? Who is debunking this, Scientifically, and why should I listen to them?

Why should anyone care if they "believe" in man made climate change? The real issue is selling global solutions.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: amazing

Climate science is probably more about the data but even the data seems to have headed south with new ways of adjusting and crunching the stuff . Climate Audit climateaudit.org... is a site you couldn't really go wrong looking into . Steve McIntyre does a good job at keeping the discussion on topic . He has some really good people contributing to the threads . Whats Up With That wattsupwiththat.com... has a lively comment section but they also have some good contributors and if you are wanting to learn about what is being talked about there you will get a respectful reply . Other then those two there are a good batch of links to other sites that discuss AGAW/Global Warming/climate change on the side bar there ...best of luck ..

I was really interested in people answering the OP's question:

Who is saying what about Climate and who should I be listening to?

And this is the first post that even came close to answering that question. The other answers were the type of things we've been getting on Internet forums for twenty-five years or more. Variations on "you're asking the wrong question", "there is no answer to that question", and attempts to offer general solutions to the bigger problem.

None of which answer the OP's question. But I guess such has the Internet been and such it shall always be.

a reply to: amazing


I see it this way.

Climatologists are being paid to produce data, assumptions based on data, and predictions that model what they see the future as being.

I find it very, very hard to believe that 2014 was the single hottest year on record....a record that has been recorded for...what...200 or so years, if that? I also find it very hard to swallow the idea that man is the responsible culprit of everything climate related.

-[: insert accusational rant from pro-climate changers here claiming I must think the earth is flat, the moon is made of cheese, and that I so OBVIOUSLY side with creationism over evolution :]-

Ok....deep breath...

Done? Good.

Is man making things any better? Certainly NOT. Should we actively be working on changing our habits? The way we see the world, and it's resources? POSITIVELY ABSOLUTELY YES.


But when you wrap "Scientific FACT" with a cult like adherence...one in which I firmly expect to see people begin chanting and handing out kool-aid...and have Scientists looking to have the Government make it AGAINST THE LAW to question them on their highly moral and scientific pillar of understanding?

Sorry.

I'm not drinking what you're handing out.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Sremmos80

Right now, the only solutions from one country (USA) has been to raise taxes. Give me other solutions. Do you have any?

Firstly make illegal corruption in the US politics system that basically is not an equal playing field to talk solutions.



Then, citizens can have a say that should have some real impact. Why is that important? Because studies show that an average US citizen's vote and opinion on issues doesn't matter and that is the real problem.

The system has been infiltrated by corrupted elitists, only if this fixed then any solution is viable. Not saying it is an easy task either but that's the rotten part of the meat, that has to go.

Peace

double post

All things mother nature is cyclical, and does so without anger,greed,jealousy,remorse, or sympathies or any other human emotion.

For Eons mother nature is a machine in motion continually creating,and destroying. It's what SHE DOES.

It gets hot.It gets cold. It gets wet. It gets dry.

In all my 45 years I haven't seen the weather do anything it hasn't done before, and has done long before we were ever here, and what she will do long after we have gone the way of the do do.

Climate changes.

Deal with it.

Nothing is going to stop it.

NOT A THING.

If fact wouldn't surprise me if mother nature. If she could is sitting back laughing at humans at how infinitively hilarious they are ALWAYS screaming the sky is falling.

Funniest part here is there is no one in this thread. On this site. Or in the real world that can tell any discernible difference today than thousands of years ago.

People only know the 'sky is falling' is because someone else is telling them it is.

Ya can't postpone the inevitable.

originally posted by: neo96
Climate changes.

Deal with it.

Nothing is going to stop it.

NOT A THING.

Why ATS sucks these days: OP asks a simple question seeking out expert opinions on climate change. Instead they get nothing but worthless ones like this^