Bernie Sanders on prescription drug price gouging

originally posted by: Phoenix
a reply to: mOjOm

That being the case, why call for further regulation? Where's his lawsuits and public outcry? Based on long existing laws.

What's bills has he sponsored and passed holding pharm/med/insurance feet to the fire?

Or did he as I suspect go along with corporate loving obama care along with the herd.

Sanders: Crack Down on Pharmaceutical Fraud

Sanders Backs Bank Regulation Bill

Sanders battles big insurance premium increases

a reply to: Gumerk

If he voted for Obama care he can bloviate on and on, But I'll never ever believe a word of it because a socialist is a socialist and loves big government just as corruptocrats love it for the same reason = big government taking others money and using for their deemed interest.

Basically screw the individual for good of the hive.

I'll have none of that.

If I was a bee, ant or sheep, maybe, but I'm not.

Baa baa

Not one Single politician R,D or I has hit upon using existing law that would drop pharm/medical and insurance if even needed 80% - that solution exists but for lobbying.

a reply to: mOjOm

It seems there are two Bernies.

There is mythological Bernie which GOP supporters rail against and then there is real Bernie who GOP supporters rarely talk about.

a reply to: Phoenix

I see. So regardless of the new information that you've asked for you're just going to refuse it and keep your same uninformed opinions like always. Ok, that's your choice.

Thanx for wasting my time. Next time just state that from the start so nobody else needs waste their time also.

a reply to: Grimpachi

I'm seeing the one that wants to raise taxes, slow economy, jobs and grow government and add to an already overgrown regulatory enviroment.

Which one do you see?

originally posted by: Grimpachi

It seems there are two Bernies.

There is mythological Bernie which GOP supporters rail against and then there is real Bernie who GOP supporters rarely talk about.

It makes sense being that there is also the mythological GOP Reality which they think is true and the Real one which they don't believe in.

a reply to: mOjOm

When the solution is growing government through more layers of regulation when long existing regulation if imposed would solve the problem, yes I tend to ignore.

I call it political pandering, which is what Sanders is doing.

The solutions have long existed.

Just to add here, what makes one believe that Sanders who could not get anyone in the Senate to solve anything for what? Four decades - is majically gonna ride a unicorn into whitehouse and have support just because..........

Yall gotta get some reality.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Drug costs go up because of government regulations, not in spite of them.

If a price cap is put on drugs, they will be produced less or not at all.

Government is the problem, not the solution.

Bernie is pro-government.

Ergo, Bernie's plan will make the problem worse.

That would be false. Drug prices go up because the healthcare industry is its own mini monopoly, a company with a patent on a drug is free to raise the price on that drug to any price they want.

We saw it a couple of weeks ago with a 70 year old antibiotic...used to cost 1 dollar per pill and a CEO raised the price of it to over 700 dollars per pill.

originally posted by: Phoenix
a reply to: Grimpachi

I'm seeing the one that wants to raise taxes, slow economy, jobs and grow government and add to an already overgrown regulatory enviroment.

Which one do you see?

Mythological Bernie may want those things, but this thread is about the real Bernie and the two things he wants to DEregulate.

You must really like the existing regulations. I wonder why that is. You speak about the regulatory environment being overgrown yet the real Bernie is talking about getting rid of some and you seem dead set against him and it.

Hmmm why is that....oh I think I figured it out. You have no idea about what he has actually said or written.

a reply to: muse7

Just what I'm trying to drill into Sander supporters, this example is/has been illegal for better than a century but crickets from existing politicians who refuse to uphold law.

Sanders IS part of the problem mostly because instead of applying what is already there to use for this egregious example he panders the voters for more regulation.

He's just like all the others except for his honesty about being a socialist, a condition I personally loath because he has no moral compunction to steal my money.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Nope, when he loudly calls for prosecution based upon existing law, which exists, then I'll listen. Even better bring suit on his own volition.

Till then it's bloviating and pandering.

originally posted by: Phoenix
a reply to: muse7

Just what I'm trying to drill into Sander supporters, this example is/has been illegal for better than a century but crickets from existing politicians who refuse to uphold law.

Sanders IS part of the problem mostly because instead of applying what is already there to use for this egregious example he panders the voters for more regulation.

He's just like all the others except for his honesty about being a socialist, a condition I personally loath because he has no moral compunction to steal my money.

Huh?

Current regulations makes it possible for price gouging to happen in the healthcare industry, that's why we need to reform it and implement real regulations that would prevent ridiculous price hikes on drugs.

And you want to talk about someone stealing your money, go and read up on all of the corporate welfare that big corporations siphon out of tax payers pockets.

a reply to: Phoenix

So you are against deregulation.


Why do you specifically like regulations that have driven up costs to taxpayers?

a reply to: Phoenix

Our conversation is over so you no longer need to keep making posts to me. You see once it became clear that you never intended to even read or view any of the information I provided, which you also asked for BTW, it was obvious that a discussion was never your intent to begin with.

You just wanted to make me believe what you believe while ignoring my input. In other words you wanted to "preach" to me. Well, I'm not here to be preached at or brainwashed or commanded in to accepting someone's world view. I'm here to discuss various topics of interest and exchange ideas and information. That requires both give and take on both parts, not just a one way delivery.

I'm saying this so you don't waste your time like I have just done.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Up post I mentioned many long standing consumer protection lews, anti price fixing, anti-collusion laws and anti-monopolistic laws.

These do apply, courts refuse to cite then and Congress has done squaut.

We don't need more regulation or laws just need apply what's already there.

I have trouble with any politician who calls for more law when code already exists.

Sorta a fake cure do you not agree or are you for more and more regulation for same issue.

a reply to: Phoenix

We don't need more regulation or laws just need apply what's already there.

So why are you against Bernie who is calling for deregulation in the video?


Read this part slowly

DE- REGULATION

If laws existed o stop price gouging for pharmaceuticals they wouldn't be able to gouge prices that is the reality. So such laws do not exist.


You must like the status quo or you don't understand the regulations Bernie wants to do away with.

a reply to: mOjOm

Hug a teddy it'll all be better, take toys and go home.

I like Trump because his message and solutions fit my problem solving, critical thinking, traditional education upbringing - in a word success is an expectation, not a wish.

So no I can't and won't ever believe a worldview of the Sanders type, I will try to understand it to avoid it for myself and my children as I see harm in it - a lesson for my children also.

One thing I will never do and never have done is pick up my toys and go home to mommy when discussion gets difficult. One could say to me that Reagan is to far left and I'd agree, many difficult discussion due that ok.

Sanders and what he stands for is anethnama to me, his proclamations are suspect as are any calls for new regulation because I simply do not inherently trust anyone who proclaims socialism as a political mantra.

Point of discussion, where and how did Sanders use existing law? Did he vote for Obamacare, if so he's committing hypocracy by coming out against pharma now that he's running for President.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Courts refuse to apply them or disqualify on standing.

The laws do exist.

originally posted by: Phoenix
a reply to: Grimpachi

Courts refuse to apply them or disqualify on standing.

The laws do exist.

Ahh...nope you are wrong.

I see from your previous post you are a Trump supporter and your reasoning for that. Thats cool I encourage you to keep supporting Trump and if you have to write in his name. Muahahahaha

a reply to: Grimpachi

Title 15 USC, Clayton and Sherman anti-trust acts ,USc15,C 1, monopolies and combination in restraint of trade.

Congress has/had power to act.

That they won't and did not should disqualify any member from further office to any discerning voter with a lick of sense no matter their politics unless of course they are agenda driven rather than for the good of the country.