Karl Marx on Alienation.

I have just found a BBC radio 4 series about all types of Philosophies and such and I have just watched this one here.



I kinda agree with his opinion but do not agree with his methods.

Here is another video I have seen about him.



Profit is a fancy term for exploitation..not heard that before and kinda makes sense lol.
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Anyhow I'm a socialist not a dirty commie!!.



You can argue with his ideas and philosophies but I would not argue his intellect.

a reply to: boymonkey74

That's the definition of modern Marxism... agreeing with him but not his methodology. Seizing the State and continuing the State until workers own the means of production didn't work and was quite ugly. The path to dissolving the State must be done peacefully and gradually.

a reply to: Kali74

Also just a quote I have just read from him I think we could all heed a little.

“The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Yeah... we seem to be at the point in time again where thought turns to action. "We have nothing to lose but our chains".

a reply to: Kali74

Sad thing is and I must admit to be one of them we will do nothing because we are all too tired already.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Nothing is a big word. I recall what you do for a living, care from the heart is a significant something... take conversational opportunities where you can and is appropriate, engage social media and vote smart, if you have time or energy for anything else go for it but never say you do nothing... that's an order comrade. The rest will happen because it has to, food shortages are coming.

a reply to: Kali74

a reply to: boymonkey74

Oh no... lol

a reply to: Kali74

He was like me Dad .

a reply to: boymonkey74

Mine were hippies... it's okay.

a reply to: boymonkey74

So the little old lady who sells you the tomatoes out of her garden for a few extra pennies ... is she evil for exploiting those poor, poor tomato plants? She is making that dirty profit you know.

a reply to: Kali74
"Vote smart"? Voting won't change anything. I would hope the members of this site would understand that, ah but I have no energy for arguments or debates right now. Interesting OP

a reply to: ketsuko

I mean duh, that is obviously who all us dirty no good commie bastards want to take down.

/sarc

a reply to: boymonkey74

Marx was a genius, unfortunately his ideologies have been implemented by tyrants that had no real concern for the welfare of their people.

I think it is possible and necessary to understand his ideologies and find the proper balance of freedom and slavery (work).

I believe we need a wealth cap in a capitalist system with an understanding that as technology replaces the need for workers the number of hours required to obtain a living wage should decrease, allowing more leisure time.

I don't think his ideologies or my solutions are utopian. Capitalism is destroying the working class and the environment exactly as Marx noted. We can't continue down this path of uncontrolled wealth generation that leads to an elitists group of tyrant oligarchs.

A wealth cap will eliminate the ability for an elitists group to obtain the type of power they have usurped under the guise of capitalism. And will ensure successful companies employ more workers with better wages, because the exploitation of profits will be regulated by maximums.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: boymonkey74

So the little old lady who sells you the tomatoes out of her garden for a few extra pennies ... is she evil for exploiting those poor, poor tomato plants? She is making that dirty profit you know.

Yeah we don't have a dislike button so

Donno if you're just being willfully obtuse or what there.

a reply to: boymonkey74

You can argue with his ideas and philosophies but I would not argue his intellect.

I would.

I have actually read Karl Marx. His writing is insightful, but his arguments are weak. His economic theory is based on an obvious fallacy; that the value of a good is the value of the labour that went into producing it. His Communist Utopia is a state where this theory is recognized and realized; which is precisely why Communist Utopias always fail.

Marx proposed a 'scientific' method for arriving at political and historical truths. He called it dialectical materialism. It is based on a false understanding of evolution (social 'evolution' is seen as progressive and teleological) and in his writing he usually begins his dialectical process from false premises (such as the labour theory of value mentioned above).

Marx was a dazzling and assertive writer, a master of the striking aphorism that seems truthful and profound on a first encounter — and indeed, his sayings usually contain a core of truth. Marxists, of course, regard them as Gospel. Even non-Marxists are familiar with many of them: 'property is theft', 'from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs', 'religion is the opium of the people'. This facility for the telling phrase, coupled with the timing of his appearance (just as revolution was breaking out all over Europe) and the high-sounding incomprehensibility of his arguments, gave him his reputation for genius. It is, in my view, thoroughly undeserved.

His influence on writers particularly irks me. It's not so great in the English-speaking world, but the French caught a really bad dose; in his way, Marx is to blame for the horrors of intellectual Modernism and, worse still, Postmodernism.

There's no end to the damage this man has done — starting with letting his infant daughter die of neglect because he hated capitalism so much he wouldn't get a job.

a reply to: Sremmos80

that is obviously who all us dirty no good commie bastards want to take down.

Read the history of Stalinism. Focus on the word kulak.

Marx is one of my idols. Its sad that Stalin had no clue about Marxism and Socialism and that he fooled the Bolshevik Party into thinking he had assimilated their ideas, when all he cared about were his own dictatorial aspirations in secret, ideologies that weren't Communist, Socialist, or Marxist. And when he committed his atrocities, Marx, Socialism, and Communism, which has actually never been practiced in its true form, was mis-interpreted as evil, when it was actually Stalin's own unique version of State-ran Capitalism. Im a Socialist, i have my worries about true communism, but neither are evil at all if practiced correctly, especially Socialism.

a reply to: Sremmos80

At its base, that is where capitalism and profit come from. In order to have them, you have to abolish all profit and all property, including your little old neighbor lady's tomatoes.

In the USSR, they discovered that when people were allowed to have tiny personal gardens, those gardens magically become far more productive than anything on the large state farms. Why? because people were working for themselves to use and dispose of as they saw fit, and it is a mistake to assume they were all greedily keeping that produce just to themselves.

History has shown this over and over from Jamestown and on, people are more productive and happier when they can produce for themselves in their own interests and decide how to dispose of the results. And mysteriously, everyone in the whole society benefits.

a reply to: Tiamat384

Voting still works... people refuse to wade in as deep as they need to go though to get the candidates not shoved down our throats by party leaders. That's true all over the West.