The seven signs before the final battle

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
a reply to: Vroomfondel

I completely understand.

As the saying goes "One Man's Heaven is Another Man's Hell."

That's between the Angels and Demons though. I earnestly wish they could settle their differences on the game board without destroying another beautiful world in the process. But....such things are beyond my control and/or understanding anyway.

Fingers crossed it all works out for the best and it's an amicable game and not another All-Out War. Who knows? It could end in a draw or a truce!

Stranger things have happened.

That would be nice, but it would also mean a lot of big mouths and bad attitudes would have to change. That doesn't happen often.

originally posted by: ntech
Just thought I would add something to watch here for your thread.

The Daniel 8 battle of the ram and goat prophesy.

In Matthew 24 Jesus Christ makes a curious statement.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

So what does he mean by the "carcase or carcass"? Thinking it over I realized what he was doing there. it's an allusion like verse 15. Though not so obvious. So what is it alluding to? After thinking it over I realized there was a "carcass" in Daniel 8

Link to Daniel 8

The point of the prophesy? That at the time of the end there would be a war to start it. And that a powerful country from the west would attack and conquer 2 nations/kings in the middle east.

Now there are those who would say this is a fulfilled prophesy but there is a problem with that. Sometimes bible prophesies have multiple fulfillments. Also verse 8-17 and 19 make it plain that this is a end time prophesy. Do you really think the end times have come and gone? If not then this is still a prophesy of the future yet. And also toss in Daniel 11-2 which is the cause of the Daniel 8 war and there is something disturbing going on there.

It appears that Daniel called 3 major events of the past 15 years. 11-2 is a perfect 500 BC description of the 9-11 attacks. And Daniel 8 would appear to have predicted the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq. And then the question becomes " Is the US going to break up into the 4 notable horns of Daniel 8"?

If we are in the Apocalypse as I think we are then the destruction of the US and it's reformation into the 4 notable horns appear to be the next logical step on the road to the Antichrist as mentioned in verse 23. The little horn.

Good information and interesting interpretation. I think this is going to be very interesting to watch. I just wish it wouldn't involve so much suffering. Apart from that, this would be great popcorn time with the wife.

a reply to: PageLC14

Be wary of assuming that all of these are factual fulfillments of the biblical signs--modern technology makes things like tracking earthquakes and the like much more accurate and feasible, whereas before, the numbers are not accurate and could actually have been higher than modern times.

Israel is also a touchy issue, as some people don't recognize them as their own sovereign country, even to this day. Just because we live in a nation that does doesn't make the prophecy technically fulfilled. Also, number five on here is quite the loose interpretation of an alliance against Israel.

Point being, don't be freaked out.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: PageLC14

Be wary of assuming that all of these are factual fulfillments of the biblical signs--modern technology makes things like tracking earthquakes and the like much more accurate and feasible, whereas before, the numbers are not accurate and could actually have been higher than modern times.

Israel is also a touchy issue, as some people don't recognize them as their own sovereign country, even to this day. Just because we live in a nation that does doesn't make the prophecy technically fulfilled. Also, number five on here is quite the loose interpretation of an alliance against Israel.

Point being, don't be freaked out.

I am not freaking out at all. But thank you. :-)

I agree with your post. That is why I said:

"There are many ways to interpret the seven signs, and even more ways to interpret current events as they might apply. I offer this as a topic of conversation, an opinion or personal observation, for the purpose of discussion. It is prophecy, not cold hard fact. The events we are seeing may be the ones the prophecy spoke of. I can not say with absolute authority that it is so, nor can I say with absolute authority it is not. I can only say what I believe and leave your beliefs to you."

It is only in retrospect that anyone will be able to speak with absolute certainty.

I always chuckle at the Apocalyptic Christians who attempt to correlate the "Seven Seals" with contemporary events in an attempt to determine how close we are to the End Times.

For one, even the Bible says that nobody will know when that is supposed to happen, so anybody claiming such a thing is simply a heretic and should be damned accordingly.

For another, no two of these people -- even if they absolutely believe in it -- can agree on the symbolism or the chronology. Which makes it completely useless.

Still, you can't stop the heretics from trying. Unless you burn them at the stake, of course.

originally posted by: Blue Shift
I always chuckle at the Apocalyptic Christians who attempt to correlate the "Seven Seals" with contemporary events in an attempt to determine how close we are to the End Times.

For one, even the Bible says that nobody will know when that is supposed to happen, so anybody claiming such a thing is simply a heretic and should be damned accordingly.

For another, no two of these people -- even if they absolutely believe in it -- can agree on the symbolism or the chronology. Which makes it completely useless.

Still, you can't stop the heretics from trying. Unless you burn them at the stake, of course.

The bible says no one will know, but those who are aware will know the time is coming.

You claim you find it useless yet you click the link anyway. You pretend to read it, yet your comments indicate either you didn't or you have a serious comprehension problem.

The fact that these things can be interpreted so many ways, as I observed in the opening post, is the reason it invites intelligent discussion, from which you are obviously excused.

Have a nice diurnal anomaly.

a reply to: Blue Shift

So when the Apostles asked Jesus about the time of the end and he told them that no one would know exactly before proceeding to tell them all these things they could see that would tell them the season was coming so they should begin to look up, Christ himself was telling us to be heretics?

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: akushla99
MOD EDIT: Removed Unnecessary Quote of OP


What...'final battle'?

Å99

The final battle as in Armageddon. End of the world, raining fire, dogs and cats living together, etc.

I'm sorry fella, that sounds like a Dr Seuss on hallucinogens.

Around about 90% of the worlds' population believes in God - I think we have a way to go yet - and quite frankly, spreading messages of the sky falling in, and playing the 'Will the real God please stand up' game is creating the divisions that would precipitate earthbound events (celestially, all bets are off - apparently and obviously)...

I (like many others) can walk into a casino, place one bet, and walk out - the addicted, make betting an all-consuming obsession, while life goes on - and whilst it's a fun little game to participate in speculation, and the ways you can wrap a very odd-shaped parcel - chances are, there are many ways the parcel can be wrapped...please watch that the baited breath doesn't become self-initiated asphxiation.

Å99

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Weren't these things supposed to happen in a particular order? You can't just list 7 things that are supposed to happen. The bible clearly says that there is an order to these things. When you account for that, your entire OP loses all credibility.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Weren't these things supposed to happen in a particular order? You can't just list 7 things that are supposed to happen. The bible clearly says that there is an order to these things. When you account for that, your entire OP loses all credibility.

Ummm...they ARE in the correct order....lmao

a reply to: Vroomfondel

This

3) Dramatic Increase in Travel and Knowledge
This doesn't really need to be explained.

happened before this

1) Re-Emergence of Israel
One of the preeminent signs of the end times is the Jewish survival of the Holocaust and the re-emergence of the nation of Israel as a Jewish state.

and ESPECIALLY this

2) Jerusalem Is a Burden to the World
The struggle is ongoing, and common knowledge, and does need to be detailed again here.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Vroomfondel

This

3) Dramatic Increase in Travel and Knowledge
This doesn't really need to be explained.

happened before this

1) Re-Emergence of Israel
One of the preeminent signs of the end times is the Jewish survival of the Holocaust and the re-emergence of the nation of Israel as a Jewish state.

and ESPECIALLY this

2) Jerusalem Is a Burden to the World
The struggle is ongoing, and common knowledge, and does need to be detailed again here.

That depends on how you define "dramatic" When people started using trains in the 1800's that was a dramatic increase. When people started flying, that was a dramatic increase. When people started using cars on a daily basis that was a dramatic increase. But there has been no more dramatic increase in the sharing of knowledge and in travel than there has been since the computer age. If you want to take it back as far s the 1970's it still happened in the correct order.

Maybe, just maybe. Powerful men with wealth and ressources beyond our wildest dreams are using these prophecies like a script, carefully "helping" these events to fruition.

I mean the Hebrews are there, and so are the rest of the players. They just have to make it work.

This is when i ask: are we not looking for war? For conflict? Why would God give us the power of free will and then instil a plan which removes choice? Are we choosing this or will it be no matter our choice? Like some are doomed to fail, pre programmed from the start o are they not all worthy of Gods love? i think, we must love God even if we know that we are doomed to fail. We still have a choice right?

If all of this is in fact coming to pass, I look forward to the apocalypse the most. It will be like hearing the truth for the very first time in a long time.

a reply to: [post=19866190]ntechHa... I never thought of the true Judah that way mind bending a little....like from Gods view

originally posted by: bitsforbytes
Maybe, just maybe. Powerful men with wealth and ressources beyond our wildest dreams are using these prophecies like a script, carefully "helping" these events to fruition.

I mean the Hebrews are there, and so are the rest of the players. They just have to make it work.

This is when i ask: are we not looking for war? For conflict? Why would God give us the power of free will and then instil a plan which removes choice? Are we choosing this or will it be no matter our choice? Like some are doomed to fail, pre programmed from the start o are they not all worthy of Gods love? i think, we must love God even if we know that we are doomed to fail. We still have a choice right?

If all of this is in fact coming to pass, I look forward to the apocalypse the most. It will be like hearing the truth for the very first time in a long time.

Though I hate to bring them into any conversation, the Nazi in WWII used biblical references, even Nostradamus, in propaganda fliers to promote their cause. All though out history there are tales of great warrior kings using seers and prophets to motivate the troops and stir the common man to action believing it was God's will. The old tricks don't stick around for thousands of years because they don't work...

The US is well Aware of God's works.
So... they allow Iran to build up on nuclear weapons... just for the sake of green lighting the middle east. Their weapons will not be successful in this age of technology.
But all others will. Now we can drop nuclear bombs on the middle east and not apologize.
Yay America. They are clever.
Plus... world war three will not last more than a year. It's too technological.
Japan surrendered two days later... so middle east will fall a lot quicker than the book tells.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Why do you just add a zero to then end of the number with "sustained" as the reason for it??? For example, a War is 7 but sustained War is 70 years??? That makes no sense. How do you justify a statement like that???

Sustained doesn't even mean "more things of the same kind" but a "continuation of something". So a sustained War wouldn't be a bunch more Wars but a continuation of a War for a longer time.

Really man? Stop bashing the guy just because you don't understand what he is saying. What he meant by "sustained" is if the rest of the century continues at the same rate (sustained) as the first decade. That's where he gets his "adding zero's" or whatever you accused him of. I saw your post and wouldn't have been able to live with myself if I didn't chime in here... c'mon, deny ignorance

originally posted by: sirhc0329

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Why do you just add a zero to then end of the number with "sustained" as the reason for it??? For example, a War is 7 but sustained War is 70 years??? That makes no sense. How do you justify a statement like that???

Sustained doesn't even mean "more things of the same kind" but a "continuation of something". So a sustained War wouldn't be a bunch more Wars but a continuation of a War for a longer time.

Really man? Stop bashing the guy just because you don't understand what he is saying. What he meant by "sustained" is if the rest of the century continues at the same rate (sustained) as the first decade. That's where he gets his "adding zero's" or whatever you accused him of. I saw your post and wouldn't have been able to live with myself if I didn't chime in here... c'mon, deny ignorance

originally posted by: ketsuko
So when the Apostles asked Jesus about the time of the end and he told them that no one would know exactly before proceeding to tell them all these things they could see that would tell them the season was coming so they should begin to look up, Christ himself was telling us to be heretics?

You do that to yourself when you fundamentally fail to understand what Jesus was saying.

There are no passages in the bible that speak specifically on any event occurring in modern time. Persons interpretation after the fact makes lame attempts to do so. whereas an eagle is no longer an eagle, a dragon is a country and all manner or ridiculous assumptions. Was God's insight limited to not knowing that the countries will be called "Russia","iran" and 'Iraq". Did he note see "airplanes" crashing in the world trade centre. Did he not know the name of Hitler, Saddam, Napoleon, Bush and Obama. Go figure....