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the US created ISIS with help of MOSSAD..
The ISIS Creation Myth
Yet the story of ISIS’s rise is far more complex, former U.S. officials and Middle East analysts say. While both Bush and Obama deserve some blame, ISIS could not have become such a battle-hardened, well-funded jihadi group without the help of leaders and sympathizers in Iraq, Syria, Turkey and the Sunni monarchies of the Persian Gulf. Their support for ISIS—over Washington’s objections—underscores the limits of American power and influence in the region. As Douglas Ollivant, a former director for Iraq on the National Security Council for both Bush and Obama, puts it: “We Americans are the supporting cast, not the lead actors.”
You are just like others believing the lie
originally posted by: neo96
Excuse me a second while I go roll on the floor, and laugh my behind off hysterically.
Putin to U.N.: America Is Destroying the World, and Only We Can Stop It
Is that coming from the same guy who invaded Ukraine ?
Why yes it is.
U.S.—interference for helping the spread of extremism in the Middle East. “Rather than bringing about reforms, an aggressive foreign interference has resulted in the brazen destruction of institutions,” he said
And Russia backing Iran and shia terrorism has nothing to do with anything what so ever right Vladimir ?
Addressing “those who’ve caused the situation,” Putin said he’s temped to ask, “do you realize now what you’ve done?”
Apparently this is where Vladimir takes a page from Obama's playbook, and blames someone else.
Attacking the policies of two U.S. presidents in one fell swoop, Putin noted that the ranks of ISIS include former Iraqi service members who were decommissioned after the 2003 invasion, as well as the “ranks of so-called moderate opposition. First they are armed and trained, and then they defect to the Islamic State.”
Vladmire neglects to mention one of them guys was fighting Russia aggression in Georgia.
Look up Tarkhan Batirashavilli. Here
I can't believe how many eat up Russian propaganda.
UKRAINE has secured a deal with its creditors on $18 billion-worth of external debt. The creditors, represented by a number of big financial firms, agreed to a 20% write-off of the principal. One bond included in the discussions is $3 billion that Ukraine owes to Russia. For those who have not kept up with Ukraine’s debt negotiations, here is a quick refresher.
Russia lent Ukraine $3 billion in December 2013. The bond was arranged by Western law firms (including White & Case and Clifford Chance) and is listed on the Irish stock exchange. The bond was essentially a bribe to Viktor Yanukovych, Ukraine’s now-ousted president, who was dithering between European and Eurasian integration. Senior Ukrainian officials say that the government itself never saw the money; most probably it was spirited out of the country by Mr Yanukovych’s cronies.
A short history of the world’s wackiest bond
Russia took action Ukraine to protect its interests.
It did so AFTER an American backed coup against the democratically elected government. It did so after extremist politicians in Ukraine called for the extermination of all ethnic Russians. It did so after areas with ethnic Russians were attacked..actual civilian neighbourhood's bombarded with air strikes and artillery. After neo nazi types rose to power there.
originally posted by: mbkennel
a reply to: mortex
Assad is not by any means what normal people call a legal, democratic government.
Assad runs a totalitarian dictatorship inherited from his like minded father. Like North Korea.
It so happens that ISIS is so depraved and wicked that this government, criminal and awful as they are, is slightly superior.
originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Willtell
SO a report (a opinion by a former general) is concrete evidence of a plan to wipe out 7 countries in 7 years huh? On emans opinion does not a conspiracy make i am afraid. He i s out of the loop and is trying to stay relevant.
originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Willtell
SO a report (a opinion by a former general) is concrete evidence of a plan to wipe out 7 countries in 7 years huh? On emans opinion does not a conspiracy make i am afraid. He i s out of the loop and is trying to stay relevant.
originally posted by: Willtell
originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Willtell
SO a report (a opinion by a former general) is concrete evidence of a plan to wipe out 7 countries in 7 years huh? On emans opinion does not a conspiracy make i am afraid. He i s out of the loop and is trying to stay relevant.
Wesley Clark was more than just a run-of-the-mill general, he was
the Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO from 1997 to 2000.
And no body said they plan to wipe out the countries.
The plan is to destabilize the countries
As for out of the loop…no ex- supreme commander of NATO is out of the loop
Its NATO who is behind the plot
Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Willtell
The Neocons plan for a New American Century appears better on paper than in actuality.
Obama has done nothing except, like all POTUS's before him, be the overt face of the leader of the "free world". I'll keep saying it as long as my ass points to the ground - these POTUS's are mere puppets to the real controllers of world affairs, that being the global elite bloodlines overseeing the worlds most powerful corporate oligarchies.
These individuals transcend POTUS's and have outlasted all election cycles because they have existed since before the formation of the United States of America.
The formation of the League of Nations and then the United Nations is the brain child of these individuals and the core policies of this global institution is to see a single world government, single world religion and a single WORLD ARMY.
ISIS is a means to this end and Putin just proved it.
originally posted by: Willtell
A real war against the worlds newest Nazis, ISIS, isn’t going to be pretty but Putin says it has to be done.
LINK
In an example of real leadership, unlike Barack Obama, some real truth has come to the world from the speech of Putin at the UN
“Speaking shortly after Obama dismissed Russia’s view that Syria’s Bashar al-Assad can be a partner in fighting ISIS, Putin, making his first address to the General Assembly in a decade, blamed foreign—read: U.S.—interference for helping the spread of extremism in the Middle East. “Rather than bringing about reforms, an aggressive foreign interference has resulted in the brazen destruction of institutions,” he said. Addressing “those who’ve caused the situation,” Putin said he’s temped to ask, “do you realize now what you’ve done?” (Putin never referred to the U.S. specifically, only to an unnamed Voldemort-like malevolent presence doing terrible things in the world.)”
Putin exposes Obama (and his predecessor Bush and the neocon and neoliberal policies) as a sinister plot involving the destabilization of the ME.
Putin indeed has finally brought some truth to the mainstream media something Obama has been unable to do.
“Attacking the policies of two U.S. presidents in one fell swoop, Putin noted that the ranks of ISIS include former Iraqi service members who were decommissioned after the 2003 invasion, as well as the “ranks of so-called moderate opposition. First they are armed and trained, and then they defect to the Islamic State.”Saying “we cannot allow these criminals who have already tasted blood to return home and continue their evil doings,” Putin argued that ISIS’s growth poses a threat to all nations, including Russia, and called for the formation of an international partnership “similar to the anti-Hitler coalition” in order to fight them. (That would be a coalition with several brutal dictators competing for the role of Stalin.”)
The above demolishes the Obama comments like this
Obama says this at the UN:
“In accordance with this logic, we should support tyrants like Bashar al-Assad who drops barrel bombs to massacre innocent civilians because the alternative is surely worse,” Obama said in remarks clearly aimed primarily at Putin, who has repeatedly insisted that defeat of Isis can only be achieved by support of the “legitimate government” of Syria.
Obama has no interest in the Syrian people’s safety...he is playing off a sinister agenda of destruction and chaos
Obama is obsessed with getting rid of Assad and bringing about a new representative government in Syria.
What like Libya or Iraq? Or Afghanistan these paragons of peace!
Who is going to rule Syria after Assad the same people who are ruling Libya?
Moments after Obama rejected the notion of a “conspiracy of U.S.-controlled NGOs” to overthrow governments around the world, Putin described the 2014 overthrow of Ukraine’s government as a “military coup” that was “orchestrated from outside.
”Putin also defended Russia’s use of its veto at the U.N. Security Council, which U.S. officials say undermines the authority of the body by shielding violators of international law from criticism and sanctions. Russia’s response is that the U.S. is simply irritated by a check on its unrestrained power in international affairs.
Putin rejected criticism of Russia’s veto as “a dangerous attempt to “undermine the legitimacy of the United Nations” by a power who “thought they knew better and didn’t have to reckon with the UN.”
Wonder who he could be talking about.
Obama and his argument has not a leg to stand on.
I have posted from the very first appearance of ISIS everything that Putin is putting forth now..
The most logical and morally based fight plan against ISIS.
Getting the Kurds, Syrians, and Iraqis along with Iran and added to the very Ineffective "coalition" of Obama may be a plan that can defeat the world threat of ISIS...
Obama even concedes now to this logic
www.slate.com... .html
For all his words about the strengths of democracy and the pitfalls of dictatorship, this was the key sentence in President Obama’s speech on Monday at the U.N. General Assembly: “The United States is prepared to work with any nation—including Russia and Iran—to resolve the conflict” in Syria.