The Word & The Heavenly or Divine Mandate

a reply to: TheBoyKing

Concerning your first line: 'I don't deny reality'...

I wasn't speaking of you specifically, my wording was a bit off, my bad.

Why is man saying they anti-war while posting nothing but theories, plans and desires for war and of war?

If everyone knew that all wars are actually deliberately staged and orchestrated for nefarious reasons, the charade would be over real quick.

That's why the UN talks about peace all the time when in reality, they want just the opposite.

The sig quote confirms this as well...

"All war is based on deception." -- Sun Tzu, The Art of War

"Wars are all based on lies, could not be fought without lies" — Charles M. Young.

“All war in history has been hatched by governments, independent of the people’s interests, to whom war is always pernicious even when successful” ~ Leo Tolstoy

originally posted by: Murgatroid
a reply to: TheBoyKing

Concerning your first line: 'I don't deny reality'...

I wasn't speaking of you specifically, my wording was a bit off, my bad.

Why is man saying they anti-war while posting nothing but theories, plans and desires for war and of war?

If everyone knew that all wars are actually deliberately staged and orchestrated for nefarious reasons, the charade would be over real quick.

That's why the UN talks about peace all the time when in reality, they want just the opposite.

The sig quote confirms this as well...

"All war is based on deception." -- Sun Tzu, The Art of War

"Wars are all based on lies, could not be fought without lies" — Charles M. Young.

“All war in history has been hatched by governments, independent of the people’s interests, to whom war is always pernicious even when successful” ~ Leo Tolstoy

I am rather enjoying the reading of Sun Tzu at the present moment, I did find Yalich Tolstoy quiet an eye opener as well. As specially in his native Russian writing, currently studying Russian as it seems to be out growing it's borders at the moment.

Another interesting historic nation there with it's roots deeply planted in the history of mankind.

Also never really apologize, unless it's something very bad like direct harm or heartache that you caused upon another.

One should only be sorry if they are truly sorry

Oh UN is a clown rodeo it always was and always has been. It's rather silly that such notions of organizations make mankind sleep soundly at night, I bet they'd be sleeping with one eye open and a loaded 9mm under their pillow if they knew the truth.

I am rather enjoying our little chats here

originally posted by: TheBoyKing
I am in the process of writing the first stuff it's titled "Why we should all be vegans"

Wow!
I am writing about why we should all levitate and eat photons! *__-
Your error with the (juvenile) 'shoulds' is that you assume that there is a 'choice' involved, somewhere.
There is not.
What is, IS!

originally posted by: namelesss

originally posted by: TheBoyKing
I am in the process of writing the first stuff it's titled "Why we should all be vegans"

Wow!
I am writing about why we should all levitate and eat photons! *__-
Your error with the (juvenile) 'shoulds' is that you assume that there is a 'choice' involved, somewhere.
There is not.
What is, IS!

That's the problem with humanity, there's always a choice and there is no What is,IS!.
Humanity was given freewill and yet most are clueless how to truly utilize it, rather sad to see that people would rather return to the cast system. Instead of returning to the freedom that was established for us here.

a reply to: TheBoyKing

Yes, agreed!

I was hastily typing this post but I personally think that truth is available for all if you search within, are very observant of nature or read and dedicate some time to research spiritual scripts such as Tao te ching for instance. Otherwise if that were not so, their would never be a Buddha or other awakened beings who accomplished this.

I think that everything can be cleared (doubts) while alive if you put yourself up to the task of recognizing of what is permanent and what is impermanent. And then all you have to do is drop the impermanence with detachment. If by meditation or some other means you will empty yourself of yourself and be in the present or awake. Than so called Turiya state comes into being in such individual. But that is far easier said than done! But one such as this rarely exists in our sociality and because of that I wrote that, but there are other more spiritually inclined climates where this knowledge is still present and they pursuit it vigorously.

This means that we all have to take this journey within individually. We all have the same source but very different past experiences and impressions which must be taken into account and observed carefully in order to resolve our "issues" or better said our lessons which are here just for our development in this play of separated illusion in eternity.

originally posted by: UniFinity
a reply to: TheBoyKing

Yes, agreed!

I was hastily typing this post but I personally think that truth is available for all if you search within, are very observant of nature or read and dedicate some time to research spiritual scripts such as Tao te ching for instance. Otherwise if that were not so, their would never be a Buddha or other awakened beings who accomplished this.

I think that everything can be cleared (doubts) while alive if you put yourself up to the task of recognizing of what is permanent and what is impermanent. And then all you have to do is drop the impermanence with detachment. If by meditation or some other means you will empty yourself of yourself and be in the present or awake. Than so called Turiya state comes into being in such individual. But that is far easier said than done! But one such as this rarely exists in our sociality and because of that I wrote that, but there are other more spiritually inclined climates where this knowledge is still present and they pursuit it vigorously.

This means that we all have to take this journey within individually. We all have the same source but very different past experiences and impressions which must be taken into account and observed carefully in order to resolve our "issues" or better said our lessons which are here just for our development in this play of separated illusion in eternity.

By removing emotions and all aspects which is actually the state of consciousness is, I can not really describe it as I opened that door only for 10 brief seconds.

However, all I can say is that everything was so clear just for those brief measly 10 seconds. It's not a state of all knowing as people say it to be, it's a state of seeing, picture you're in a dark room and all of a sudden someone lights a candle.

It's very odd and yet very lucid but yet at the same time transparent, all doubt is gone you know what to do and how to do it.

In truth I believe I am doing more bad than good by trying to describe it, there are no words for it nor is it something one can really truly describe unless you experience it for yourself.

a reply to: TheBoyKing

Yes no description can be good enough. Indian mystics like to call that sat-chit-ananda. Sat is existence, Chit is consciousness and Ananda is bliss. It seems that we had a similar experience. I to have just once, for now been there for a very short time.

who can say what is it to be like that permanently? We both are only guessing at this point. I think that at that stage there is only silence and all words are useless. I hope others more experienced members can pitch in and share.

And there is supposedly more to it than that if you have read some material of Ramana Maharshi, he and other also, states that this is not the final step. If I continue to use the Hindu terminology.
What you or I described is the dissolution of ego into atman. But then there is also dissolution of atman into brahman, which is supposedly the final state of conciousness.

At least that is the way I understood whole thing in a few simple short sentences.

And every religion uses its own terms and meditation techniques. But essentially, they are preaching the same thing. There is one mind or conciousness pervading within and without.

link for more info:
www.theself.com...

And I really cannot understand why are people so blind to see that similarity between religions. Religion should be symbol of peace, unity and compassion - opposite to the present reality. How have we gotten so of track?

originally posted by: UniFinity
a reply to: TheBoyKing
And I really cannot understand why are people so blind to see that similarity between religions. Religion should be symbol of peace, unity and compassion - opposite to the present reality. How have we gotten so of track?

Fear, distractions, lust for power, want for war and bloodshed, you could pin so many sticky notes to the wall.
Mostly those that were given the guide books decided to use them for personal gain, resulting in fear mongering and other childish tricks. Kinda like the doom porn on ATS itself.

originally posted by: UniFinity
a reply to: TheBoyKing

Yes no description can be good enough. Indian mystics like to call that sat-chit-ananda. Sat is existence, Chit is consciousness and Ananda is bliss. It seems that we had a similar experience. I to have just once, for now been there for a very short time.

who can say what is it to be like that permanently?

I might actually start a separate thread for it as a test to write up and see what would occur if I stayed in it for a day.
From the 10 seconds I can say that everything was also very silent, almost as if all outer noises,voices and sources were tuned out.

It would rather be an interesting state to maintain for decades, without entering the so called final stage. From what I could also gather that you begin to see the nature of man for what it is, violent and very misguided. I don't tend to wish to grasp onto such notions for mankind has a lot of potential, yet it seems most of it is very unknown still.

originally posted by: TheBoyKing

originally posted by: namelesss

originally posted by: TheBoyKing
I am in the process of writing the first stuff it's titled "Why we should all be vegans"

Wow!
I am writing about why we should all levitate and eat photons! *__-
Your error with the (juvenile) 'shoulds' is that you assume that there is a 'choice' involved, somewhere.
There is not.
What is, IS!

That's the problem with humanity, there's always a choice and there is no What is,IS!.
Humanity was given freewill and yet most are clueless how to truly utilize it, rather sad to see that people would rather return to the cast system. Instead of returning to the freedom that was established for us here.

The 'problem with humanity' is the insanity that naturally arises with the vain imaginary egoic concept of 'free-will/choice' when we 'belief' in such an impossibility!
The only place such a nonsensical thing can exist in the imagination, the ego!

I said nothing of any 'caste system' or any 'freedom' (another imaginary vanity).

originally posted by: TheBoyKing


If the truth is under everyone's nose then - Why has not man seen the truth?

No one can see the truth because the 'seeing' is the truth.
The truth is hidden in plain sight - in the plain act of seeing.

However, all I can say is that everything was so clear just for those brief measly 10 seconds. It's not a state of all knowing as people say it to be, it's a state of seeing, picture you're in a dark room and all of a sudden someone lights a candle.

As you say above - it is not a state of knowing - it is a state of seeing.
True pure seeing can only happen when the one who is seeking for something drops away - the immeasurable can only appear when the measuring ceases. Man is the measure of all things.
Man believes in separate things because he believes that he is a thing - the whole world seems to consist of many, many separate things. But when 'true seeing' happens it is found that there is nothing separate - all that is appears within the seeing. Without the aware space for things to appear in nothing could appear - everything is found to be made of the aware space.
You are never a separate thing - you are the aware space out of which and in which all arises and subsides.

a reply to: TheBoyKing

The only thing Im learning is just how over confident you are, where your describing your spirituality like it were a car going a hundred miles an hour in under ten seconds like it was the fast an the furious.