Most homosexuality is a choice

a reply to: AMPTAH

Same thing, here, look the other way on homosexuals, it's their way, not ours.

It is our way. It's not about 'looking away'.

LGBT+ community has very large support from heterosexual people. This is about unification. Living harmoniously together. Which it turns out, isn't that hard to do once hateful religious beliefs are dropped.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Weird. Who is starring AMPTAH's posts? I feel like I am in a twilight zone

One of his many emanations. He works in mysterious ways.

...and by that I mean he already acknowledged he's had many ATS accounts prior to this one. Methinks he's already made another. Or two.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

...and by that I mean he already acknowledged he's had many ATS accounts prior to this one. Methinks he's already made another. Or two.

Yeah. I was thinking something along those lines, too. Didn't even see where he said he's had many accounts before. I'm trying to figure out who it is.

I have some ideas....but - just ideas. Can't prove anything.

a reply to: AMPTAH

So, take your pick. Because one of these Kings will claim you for their own.

When the Kings come to reap their sheep, Cthulhu will find me dancing around a bonfire of bibles.

I think we get it now. You're an immortal god. Of course your knowledge is immensely more vast than ours. It's not that you're posting unsubstantiated nonsense, it's that we lack the spiritual wisdom to decipher your words. How tedious is must be for you having to constantly attempt to communicate with us mortals.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Being attracted to a Child isn't a Sexual Orientation...

sex·u·al o·ri·en·ta·tion
noun
a person's sexual identity in relation to the gender to which they are attracted; the fact of being heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual.

A "Child" is not a "Sex", Age is not a "Sex"

www.webmd.com...

Sexual orientation is a term used to refer to a person's emotional, romantic, and sexual attraction to individuals of a particular gender (male or female).

This thread has reminded me of this:

1. that there are good, loving, intelligent, people in this World.

2. that there is bad, callous, ignorant, mean-spirited people in this world.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

And one more thing - some trolls really should go back under the bridge they came from.

originally posted by: ProfessorChaos

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: Metallicus

Could you cure a "Heterosexual" person?

Propaganda's been doing that for decades now...

Don't quite get this comment. Sorry if I'm understanding this wrong but are you saying that all those gays and their parades are having an effect on you or anyone else heterosexual?

Because if so, you may consider yourself to have been bi-sexual all along. You see, I have gay friends, trans friends and bi-friends. I always WANTED to try it out with a girl...but when in comes to it, I chicken out for one very important reason. I can't. I can't if I tried, because I am heterosexual and can't bring myself to have sex with a girl, even if I WANTED to. Opportunities have been plenty but I can't.

So even if the whole world turned gay around me, I'd be the odd one out because I would have to stay hetero. This makes me think that people who are SCARED of gay propaganda are the weakest links, the first to 'give in' to their hidden true feelings.

Also lets just say the whole world turned gay tomorrow [apart from me and a few other heteros] so what?
So blooming what????

Are you scared there won't be any more humans? Don't worry, there would be. Gays still have the need for children and all their bits are working fine, they can still procreate and I assume they will, because people, humans want babies.

Look at the lengths IVF people go through to conceive. So babies won't be a problem.

What's the next problem? Ahhh yes, promiscuity. All gays have it off in toilets, all the time, yes? Is that what you believe?

Would a sudden 'gay-plague' also turn ALL nice, shy, decent, honest, loving, loyal people somehow into toilet shagging fiends? How? there is no logical nor scientific explanation to a belief so illogical.

Truth is everyone would be exactly the same character, only suddenly fancy the same sex. So ---- what ?

I don't get these posts, there is no actual danger of anything, if the world turned completely gay tomorrow, none. Only people who are not so sure about their own sexuality seem to be scared of a scenario like that. Because I am not at all unsure about mine, I say: bring it on.
Maybe the world would be more fabulous and more fun and more peaceful. Who knows.

cant believe this is still going on.
i say again. even if homosexuality is a choice, so what?
dont mean #.


our bodies are capable of doing it so whats the issue?

originally posted by: TinySickTears
cant believe this is still going on.
i say again. even if homosexuality is a choice, so what?
dont mean #.


our bodies are capable of doing it so whats the issue?

Well, for one thing, calling a sexual orientation "a choice" is trying to do one of two things, classifying homosexuality or homosexual desires as a) a sin or a willful ignorance of what is considered "normal" sexuality and/or b) a mental disorder that is not connected to basic human drives, needs and desires.

Also, the claim is preposterous on its face. We don't decide one day to be gay. This point is made clear every time an honest straight person acknowledges that they can no more "decide" to be gay than a gay person can "decide" to be straight.

Or any mixture/variations of the two extremes.

That's why folks feel that it is important to make clear that the distinctions that are implied by the word "choice" are mistaken, backward, hurtful and just plain wrong.

At least, in my opinion.

I'm all for equality and for homosexuals to be able to marry and do whatever they want. They aren't hurting anyone or adversely affecting our lives in any way. But I see some people take it so far as to suggest that being homosexual is as "natural" and normal as everything else. Of course they are entitled to their opinions - but for the sake of denying ignorance and purely as intellectual debate - I feel the need to offer mine.

While I agree homosexuality is no more a choice than one's like or dislike for certain foods (perhaps traits instilled early on in life by various factors), it doesn't mean it's as natural -- within the context of life's biological & evolutionary traits -- as being heterosexual.

The fact is we - along with pretty much all life on this planet - are specifically designed/adapted in a way that requires a male + female pair in order to fully utilize our "tools" and give birth to life. While there may be a small percentage of "oddities" in life that choose or grow up preferring to utilize their bodies a different way - it doesn't make it natural.

But please don't take offense to that - it's the odd things in life that make it all the more interesting! Whatever floats your boat...

a reply to: Navieko

So, for you, in the spirit of conversation, sexuality has the singular purpose of being about reproduction?

Sexuality has no other place in our lives, no other meaning, is not intricately involved in how we think about love, life, happiness,etc.?

Are those fair statements of the position you're trying to testify to? Sexuality is about reproduction, anything else doesn't qualify as "natural"?

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: pompel9

You don't seem understand the Difference between a Sex Act and Sexual Orientation, or what makes someone a Heterosexual, Homosexual, Bisexual, Pansexual Etc. also your "definitions" don't get to decide what Orientation someone is

you can agree to disagree if you want

Seems you do not understand that sex act is a real part of sexual orientation. If you can have sex with both genders, then you are bisexual.

And I have also stated that is my opinion. You have the right to have your opinion, but please do no speak like it's a fact (unless you have facts to back it up with).

I offered to send you the damn book. That is me offering to send them. You'll see the citations and can then explore them further. I'm not going to do the heavy lifting for you. Spinning this to make it seem like I am unwilling to share them is ridiculous. Quoted of Lucid Lunacy

Sorry about my type of response without a quote, but when I click quote it takes another post and not yours.


Yes you did. But if you have the book, then it is easy to post the links. Just as easy as sending me the book. If you are going to prove something, then prove it. Don't expect others to do the work for you when you are stating something as fact.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Navieko

So, for you, in the spirit of conversation, sexuality has the singular purpose of being about reproduction?

Sexuality has no other place in our lives, no other meaning, is not intricately involved in how we think about love, life, happiness,etc.?

Are those fair statements of the position you're trying to testify to? Sexuality is about reproduction, anything else doesn't qualify as "natural"?

Sexuality is a human trait that can bend and twist any which way depending on one's life experiences growing up as a child and beyond. When I speak about "natural", I speak purely from an objective/scientific point of view - where we can clearly observe the anatomical purpose of our physical selves.

In such a context - there can be no confusion of what is natural and what is not, in my opinion.

a reply to: Navieko

Right ... your use of the term "natural" implies reproduction.

Reproduction is the base-line measure of what you think of as "natural" right?

So, all sexual acts and behaviors that do not lead to reproduction are not "natural" in your understanding.

Right?

originally posted by: TheLamb
a reply to: pompel9

For starters you are saying that being gay isn't normal. Would you say that to a disabled person? Synonyms:: degenerative, subhuman, abnormal, weird, queer and then the bullying starts. So no, you can't have an opinion that is the tip of the persecution iceberg. I've seen and experienced queer bashing first hand. I've had friends hospitalised. People in my community are being attacked or murdered regularly. And who is doing it? It's those who think being gay isn't normal. And they are not gay. When it comes to homosexuality straight men hsave an aptitude for torment. I would call that evil. You would call it having a bit of fun.

Where did I say that?

I said there are no scientific studies proving that homosexuality exists in the animal world (except for humans).

I haven't bashed anyone, gay or not.

Why am I evil? I have never attacked no one.

I miss the report to the mods button that you can find on all other forums.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Navieko

Right ... your use of the term "natural" implies reproduction.

Reproduction is the base-line measure of what you think of as "natural" right?

So, all sexual acts and behaviors that do not lead to reproduction are not "natural" in your understanding.

Right?

Might be deemed natural within a society crafted over thousands of years by the dynamic nature of the human mind - but only because of the vast complexities of our brain - which rewards us with the ability to feel pleasure. From a purely physical view point, within the context of the way our bodies are adapted -- as a species -- it certainly wouldn't make much sense to deem any other sexual act as "normal". But I'm certainly thankful that I'm able to feel pleasure in more ways than the one, don't worry.

a reply to: pompel9

Easy Peasy

Homosexual Behavior in Animals

List of Animals Displaying Homosexual Behavior

Glad to put that misunderstanding to bed for you!