Most homosexuality is a choice

Lets have science back it up eh?.

www.theguardian.com...

www.newscientist.com...

So just another part of the varied human condition.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Dude, are you freaking SERIOUS?

a reply to: Annee

Yeah. Come to think of it self professed gay people throughout history might have been bisexuals.

originally posted by: Annee

How many times have we said sexuality is all shades of gray.
It still doesn't change the fact our orientation is inherent.

Good Grief !

Maybe some orientation is inherent, and some is not. Some is learned behavior. The problem with belief, is that you can believe anything to be true. But, the believing, doesn't make it true.

a reply to: Bicent76

In my opinion your a fool to truly believe all gay people thruout history were born that way

Oh my, is it time for me to bust out Matthew 19:12 again. Seems we always get to this point in the thread with the Christians....

For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others--and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

Historically speaking, in Jesus day, Eunuch was a term applied not only to the castrated males, but also to gay men because both were (are) quite effeminate (the screamingly obvious gays anyway)

So Jesus himself provides the best and most truthful explanation on the matter, and yes he does include born that way.

a reply to: AMPTAH

The problem with belief, is that you can believe anything to be true.

Like, when you hang around on a Conspiracy Theorist site and refuse to do any actual research, but claim that "you're learning" all about it here, rather than actually doing research and going to school and checking out the science of the whole topic?

But, the believing, doesn't make it true.

Exactly. You believing that it is a "choice" doesn't make it true.

Get a grip.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Annee

Yeah. Come to think of it self professed gay people throughout history might have been bisexuals.

Without the social and religious constraints I'm sure there were lots of mixed sex orgies.

But, if your orientation is to the far right or left on the scale ---- you're going to be very uncomfortable.

I think most people fall in the middle and are born naturally bisexual.

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: akushla99

What I did do, and have done, is ask the question re: choice - not choice,
Å99

And I said many times it's a choice. But, I also believe that the choice is motivated by things outside the person.
His environment. Thoughts from other people. The mental virus. Spirit influence. etc..in other-words, the choice
maybe difficult. It probably is very much like the smoker for many people. They try to quit. But, eventually go
back to the habit.

Yep...and you know that wasn't my question...

Over & out

Å99

a reply to: AMPTAH

The problem with belief, is that you can believe anything to be true. But, the believing, doesn't make it true.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: AMPTAH

Dude, are you freaking SERIOUS?

As you can see, I am a very open person. I consider all the angles. Never leave any possibility out. I know that what the Bible says about the "Behavior" of homosexuals. But the good book says nothing about this "sexual orientation" you guys are educating me about. Therefore if I am to believe you, there there is this thing called "sexual orientation", inherent in your being, that is not about the behavior itself, then to fit that new fact in with the clear picture of the world described in scripture, the only conclusion that makes sense is that the gays and lesbians were supposed to be the chosen ones. But, we know the chosen are celibate. So, it must be then, that gays and lesbians were intended to be the celibate seed, but that obviously, nobody told them they were that special, so they "fell" from the high status they got at birth, to become what they are today.

A mother's instinct is rarely wrong.

a reply to: Annee

Without the social and religious constraints I'm sure there were lots of mixed sex orgies.

That made me think of that movie Caligula. God what a weird movie LOL.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Wow.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Annee

Without the social and religious constraints I'm sure there were lots of mixed sex orgies.

That made me think of that movie Caligula. God what a weird movie LOL.

Think about in our own time.

Homosexuals had to pretend to be straight to function in our society, completely against their nature.

I'm sure Ancient Rome was the same. If society required you to participate in mixed sex orgies, that's what you were expected to do.

It proves nothing except we do what society dictates.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Annee

Without the social and religious constraints I'm sure there were lots of mixed sex orgies.

That made me think of that movie Caligula. God what a weird movie LOL.

Hmmmmmm, must have missed it.

a reply to: AMPTAH

But the good book says nothing about this "sexual orientation".

You're right. The 'good book' doesn't say a whole lot of things we now know concerning humans, Earth, and the cosmos.

I wonder why that is

originally posted by: markosity1973

Historically speaking, in Jesus day, Eunuch was a term applied not only to the castrated males, but also to gay men because both were (are) quite effeminate (the screamingly obvious gays anyway)

How on earth does "Eunuch" become "Gay" ?

Eunuch is celibate. So, that means, there's no behavior to judge sexual orientation.

Could be gay, could be straight, could be just Eunuch.

Most likely, just celibate heterosexual.

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: AMPTAH

But the good book says nothing about this "sexual orientation".

You're right. The 'good book' doesn't say a whole lot of things we now know concerning humans, Earth, and the cosmos.

I wonder why that is

Maybe because it wasn't the critically important thing?

a reply to: AMPTAH

Maybe because it wasn't the critically important thing?

That was rhetorical. I already know the Bible is completely incompatible with what we now know to be truth. The Bible says Earth had fruit-bearing trees on Day 3 without a Sun or any stars in the Universe. The Bible doesn't mention much of what we now know because the human authors didn't have the knowledge then.

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: markosity1973

Historically speaking, in Jesus day, Eunuch was a term applied not only to the castrated males, but also to gay men because both were (are) quite effeminate (the screamingly obvious gays anyway)

How on earth does "Eunuch" become "Gay" ?

Eunuch is celibate. So, that means, there's no behavior to judge sexual orientation.

Could be gay, could be straight, could be just Eunuch.

Most likely, just celibate heterosexual.

What Does The Definition Of Eunuch Mean?

It could mean incapable of heterosexual marriage because the eunuch is same sex attracted and thus, not interested in heterosexual marriage.
It could mean asexual, not feeling sexual attraction toward either sex.
In rare cases, eunuch could refer to one born with genital defects which make siring children impossible, although this condition is not mentioned in scripture.
A eunuch for the sake of the kingdom of heaven is a man who is capable of marriage but voluntarily abstains from marriage in order to better serve God.

Backed up by antigay Christian Dr Robert Gagnon

Dr. Robert Gagnon, prolific anti-gay, evangelical Christian author, admits on his website, that “born eunuchs” in the ancient world were probably gay.

"Probably "born eunuchs" in the ancient world did include people homosexually inclined, which incidentally puts to the lie the oft-repeated claim that the ancient world could not even conceive of persons that were congenitally influenced toward exclusive same-sex attractions." - Dr. Gagnon

Source

Which all leads back to Matthew 19:12

As a Christian you need to understand that Jesus is not talking about sexual activity here. He is just talking about being a Eunuch. This therefore does not contradict any of the condemnation of sexual activity in the bible, it just points out that to be gay is something people can be born with.