Most homosexuality is a choice

a reply to: AMPTAH

Ah!! I get it....

a reply to: AMPTAH

That's the beauty of this society.

That's not a beautiful society, and fortunately not the one we live in [at least, not the one we are supposed to be living in.]. A wall of separation between Church and State. The Founding Fathers understood how crucial that would be for a free society, and for religious freedom. What she did violates that. Religion shouldn't be embedded in the State. That's not just for secular people like myself. If this were a "Christian Nation", as Christians wish it were, how would that facilitate religious freedom for Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc? It wouldn't of course. What you're advocating is a "beautiful society" for a specific group. Just because they are a large group doesn't make it right. Protecting the minority from the majority is another principle this nation was founded on. It doesn't matter how many Christians live in this society, it's not a Christian nation, nor does their system of belief belong in Government.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: AMPTAH

Ah!! I get it....

TROLL

Nope. Simple question. Why is it so hard to say "gay and lesbians" ? They have an identity, that is critical to the discussion. So, by avoiding naming them, it is clear that misdirection is the intent.

a reply to: AMPTAH

'Gay' is not a term exclusively for men. You don't need to keep saying "gays and lesbians".

originally posted by: AMPTAH
We want gays and lesbians to be happy, and also want people like Kim Davis to be happy. Everybody should be able to get up in the morning, and go to work, believing they are doing good things.

Kim Davis works for the government. She has to follow their regulations. It is not her place to remake the laws because she doesn't like them. If her only happiness in life comes from denying other people their happiness, then something is seriously wrong with her and she should be evaluated by a professional. Plus that's a direct violation of Barcsism. She is causing others to suffer as a result of her actions. She herself does not suffer by signing a piece of paper as her job duties require.

a reply to: AMPTAH

14th Amendment

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

If Marriage is a Privilege than you can't deny Same-Sex Couples, if it is a Right than you can't deny Same-Sex couples

it is very basic logic if you look at it without Bias

a reply to: AMPTAH

Why is it so hard to say "gay and lesbians" ? They have an identity, that is critical to the discussion.

I did say "gay and lesbians".

by avoiding naming them, it is clear that misdirection is the intent.

Here is what I stated directly:
"There is no persecution towards religious folks today BY GAYS AND LESBIANS. You are imagining it. "

I typed that.

And now I'm stating (and typing) this: I'm done with this ridiculous reparte.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

This so-called persecution from LGBT towards religious people is so absurd. I laugh and I cry. I can't help but think it's a projection from feelings of guilt. That or their propensity to play the victim at every encounter.

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

This so-called persecution from LGBT towards religious people is so absurd. I laugh and I cry. I can't help but think it's a projection from feelings of guilt. That or their propensity to play the victim at every encounter.

It's ridiculous. They consider gay pride parades and speaking out against unfair rights "persecution" but how quickly they forget that just a few hundred years back they were torturing and executing folks for being gay or simply for not believing their worldview to a T. The nerve of these people.

This is like white people screaming persecution for allowing inter racial marriages.

a reply to: Barcs

We have grand in another thread blaming everyone against religion for the shooting yesterday now in another thread...

Reviewing this thread, a 'saying' of my husband's comes to mind:

"Act like a jackass, get treated like a jackass."

my uncle maintained a false hetero life, complete with wife and kids, for many, many years until the stress of denying what he WAS, not what he chose to be, became too much to bear and he came out. his experience of maintaining a 'normal' lifestyle in denial of his true self was a very sad indictment of the pressure to conform to 'normal'. not a choice but an acceptance. i repeat, not a choice

a reply to: RoScoLaz4

Thank you, and sorry for your Uncle, sadly there are many stories such as this.

originally posted by: Darth_Prime

If Marriage is a Privilege than you can't deny Same-Sex Couples, if it is a Right than you can't deny Same-Sex couples

it is very basic logic if you look at it without Bias

So, what you're saying then, is that two heterosexual men, can go to the Kentucky County Clerk's office and petition for a marriage licence, and Kim Davis must sign it and give it to them. It's their constitutional right, to get married, even if they are not gay, since the law no longer discriminates against sexual orientation, nor denies people of same sex a license.

It that correct? Is my understanding of the marriage rights consistent with your understanding?

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
Reviewing this thread, a 'saying' of my husband's comes to mind:

"Act like a jackass, get treated like a jackass."

That is the Golden Rule of the community, isn't it.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Did you choose to be straight btw?.

a reply to: AMPTAH

It's just a theory in general (one that people like Kim Davis need to realize). Has nothing to do with religion. OR the Golden Rule.
I've already explained that to you earlier in the thread. If you act like a JERK, expect people to point it out. Here, and out in the world.

It's not "persecution." It's just what you get for acting like a jerk.

Id agree with some homosexuality being s choice. I really don't understand the disbelief that people can be born not normal. There's people with 3 nipples, people with arms growing out of their heads, and gay people. It's about as easy to spot someone born gay as someone born with forehead arm. You can just tell. But there's also some people who just don't fit in to Norman society or are self sabotages or like being victimized who go gay that's true too. I' really don't care what the gays do until they start telling me I need to care about them arc which point I go against everything they're for just so they'll always know the pecking order of things. But even I can admit most gays are born that way. So are people with 3 nipples.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Man Sandra Bullock really let herself go.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: AMPTAH

Did you choose to be straight btw?.

I choose my actions. I have lots of temptations. Like any other human, I am subjected to all the weaknesses of mankind. But, yes, I do have a choice. I don't always get the opportunity to exercise my preferred choices. But, I do choose, when there are options available.