Most homosexuality is a choice

So at least you admit to being judgmental.

You keep trying to put words in my mouth.

I am used to it.

Where did I judge anyone?

I simply indicated that I no longer support the gay movement.

There is a big difference.

Perhaps you should get out of the house for a bit and reflect on what I am trying to say.

You just are not getting it.

And I expected to be ganged up on.

I can deal with it. No prob.

I fought in a couple of wars so that you can have your freedoms. You want to talk about sacrifice? You have no clue.

You want to call be a homophobe?

That is hateful and not very tolerant.

I guess I will use your inability to address the actual things I am writing as further evidence that I should not support the gay movement.

See? Your intolerance leads to intolerance.

Calling others "hateful bigots" makes an enemy of others. Then you wonder why you have an enemy.

IT IS DUE TO YOUR BEHAVIOR. NOT YOUR LIFESTYLE.

IT IS DUE TO WHAT YOU SAY AND DO. NOT BECAUSE OF YOUR SEXUALITY.

You are a poor example of the tolerance your movement expects of others. You are not open-minded. You are not willing to see the other point of view. You can't even properly comprehend what I have written.

Your gross mis-characterization of what I have espoused makes you look bad.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Anonymous007
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

If you think that the deplorable behavior is acceptable, then I have nothing further to discuss with you.

I said no such thing.

These events are put on BY the COMMUNITY and supported BY the community. If they didn't like the nasty behavior, it is contingent of them to STOP the behaviors. By allowing the actions to continue, they are at least tacitly agreeing with them.

And cops should police their own, religious people should be filled with the love of Jesus until it pours out into the streets, priests shouldn't mess with little boys and be protected by the parish, politicians should be honest and military people should act with honor. BUT THEY DON'T! Not if I judge them all by the actions of a few, as you're doing to gays.

Now, if I judge them as individuals, I can see that most cops are good. Many religious people aren't hateful, most priests aren't pedophiles, some politicians are honest and many military people honestly do wish to serve their country with honor.

It's how people are. Why should the gay community live up to standards that NO OTHER GROUP does?

I THEREFORE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO USE THESE BEHAVIORS TO FORM MY OPINIONS.

Of course you have that right. You have the right to judge all cops, religious people, or any group you want. But then you try to claim your not homophobic, when you've stereotyped gay people by the actions of a few, it shows your personal prejudice. You're not fooling anyone.

You don't have to shout, "I hate gay people!" to be homophobic. It shows in almost everything you say.

Yes I'm lying. Oh, wait.......

originally posted by: Anonymous007
a reply to: Anonymous007

Homosexuality is neither natural, nor is it normal.

When gays and their supporters answer that their behavior is completely natural and normal, ask them what is the definition of 'natural' and 'normal' they use to convolute their answer to the question.

They might argue that the behavior is predominate in the animal kingdom.

Many animals also commit infanticide. Is that then "natural and normal" and should we therefore allow it?

Just because gayness exists, in and of itself, is not proof of normalcy. The only thing that can be considered "normal" is that it is a behavior that seems to persist, at the margins, over time. This meaning, when all is said and done, is the only potential way the perversion could be considered normal under any definition by these groups.

I do not hate gay people. However I do not agree with their behavior or with the normalization of it that has been occurring since the sexual revolution in the 1970s. I have witnessed first hand the progression from the gays simply "wanting to be accepted" to now wanting to get married and adopt children.

They are now in schools promoting their behavior and lifestyle.

Following their agenda, they fight hard to try to "normalize" their lifestyle in everyone's minds, and they are starting in preschool to reach our vulnerable children.

[A "Day of Silence" in schools - you are not supposed to talk outside of class that day in honor of homosexuality. The Day of Silence is the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network's (GLSEN) annual day of action to protest the bullying and harassment of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) students and their supporters. Students take a day-long vow of silence to symbolically represent the silencing of LGBT students and their supporters.The not-so-subtle message that homosexuals are giving to kids: 'Be open-minded - you can love BOTH sexes - try out a bit of homosexuality like kissing your friend to see how you like it. You may be pleasantly surprised.

If gayness were actually normal, children would not have to be convinced. Pro-gay groups have learned that once children will naturally find the behavior and the underlying idea vulgar and gross, they will not be able to magically adopt a favorable stance.

Therefore, the groups have to get to the children and younger and younger of ages.

I would provide links to pictures that support what I am trying to discuss, but I know that they will get me banned. They are absolutely disgusting.

You don't want to admit to the truth? OK.

Fine by me.

Call me names. Call me intolerant. I don't care. It doesn't impact me a bit.

It shows me that I am right not to support your movement. It reflects on your mentality.

I got a post removed that discussed the facts about psychological stuff, or I would give you the facts.

The only thread I started got closed. There is nothing I wrote that was untrue. But there are moderators who don't support the tagline "Deny Ingnorance."

No hate. None at all.

That is all you folks want to "see" when others don't fall in line behind you.

Fine by me.

I have seen the same behavior for decades. I am used to it.

But perhaps, some day, you will realize that it defines you are a person, and as a group. Because in this thread, you all jump on the same bandwagon.

originally posted by: Megatronus
I have yet to see any deplorable behaviour at any gay pride events. Let me guess, are you refering to them kissing and holding hands in public? I've been to plenty of event where hetrosexuals have acted horrendously, I suppose it's now ok for me to tar all hetrosexuals with the same brush because I've witnessed a few of them misbehaving and acting appallingly? That's where your argument falls flat I'm afraid.

As for your claim to not be a homophobe. It is obvious to anyone with eyes that you have an axe to grind against gays. I've seen you imply it's a disorder and compare homosexuality to Infanticide. Yeah, definitely no problem with gays at all......

originally posted by: Anonymous007
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

If you think that the deplorable behavior is acceptable, then I have nothing further to discuss with you.

These events are put on BY the COMMUNITY and supported BY the community. If they didn't like the nasty behavior, it is contingent of them to STOP the behaviors. By allowing the actions to continue, they are at least tacitly agreeing with them.

I THEREFORE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO USE THESE BEHAVIORS TO FORM MY OPINIONS.

I indicated that I stopped being a supporter of the movement. I don't hate the individuals.

But go ahead and paint me with that same old, worn-out brush.

Back to the original 'is/isn't a choice', there is strong evidence that being gay is genetic. Women with close gay relatives, like offspring and siblings, have been found to be more fertile than those without. It's thought that if a gene causes homosexuality that same gene increases fertility to offset the end of a genetic line. In a round about way, gays contribute to the proliferation of the species.

It's also been proven that gay men elicit a neurological response to male pheromones which can't consciously be detected. It is a completely autonomic response that can''t be influenced by choice. In straight men there is little or no response.

On a slightly different topic and the instances of public sex at parades, it's a relatively recent phenomenon. It's a proportional response to centuries of persecution and having to skulk away in the shadows. At least it is consensual unlike public rape by straight hordes during invasions and war which still continues. Shocking our heterosexual counterparts goes some way to making up for the way we've been treated by society even in this day and age. I live in a remote village in the UK where I'm the only gay. Everybody knows. There is a bunch of guys who drink as a gang at the local pub. When I'm there they start acting camp, snickering away to each other. Then comes the jukebox with Kylie and Barbara Streisand. The others stand by idly and pretend not to notice. What am I supposed to do? Do I leave? Do I respond? No, I just have to put up with it.

That's the only choice I have.

That does not equate gayness with infanticide.

It implies the ludicrous argument made about the "natural and normal" argument that is used all the time.

Reading comprehension is FUNDAMENTAL.

Nice try.

Thanks for playing!

originally posted by: Megatronus
Yes I'm lying. Oh, wait.......

originally posted by: Anonymous007
a reply to: Anonymous007

Homosexuality is neither natural, nor is it normal.

When gays and their supporters answer that their behavior is completely natural and normal, ask them what is the definition of 'natural' and 'normal' they use to convolute their answer to the question.

They might argue that the behavior is predominate in the animal kingdom.

Many animals also commit infanticide. Is that then "natural and normal" and should we therefore allow it?

Just because gayness exists, in and of itself, is not proof of normalcy. The only thing that can be considered "normal" is that it is a behavior that seems to persist, at the margins, over time. This meaning, when all is said and done, is the only potential way the perversion could be considered normal under any definition by these groups.

I do not hate gay people. However I do not agree with their behavior or with the normalization of it that has been occurring since the sexual revolution in the 1970s. I have witnessed first hand the progression from the gays simply "wanting to be accepted" to now wanting to get married and adopt children.

They are now in schools promoting their behavior and lifestyle.

Following their agenda, they fight hard to try to "normalize" their lifestyle in everyone's minds, and they are starting in preschool to reach our vulnerable children.

[A "Day of Silence" in schools - you are not supposed to talk outside of class that day in honor of homosexuality. The Day of Silence is the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network's (GLSEN) annual day of action to protest the bullying and harassment of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) students and their supporters. Students take a day-long vow of silence to symbolically represent the silencing of LGBT students and their supporters.The not-so-subtle message that homosexuals are giving to kids: 'Be open-minded - you can love BOTH sexes - try out a bit of homosexuality like kissing your friend to see how you like it. You may be pleasantly surprised.

If gayness were actually normal, children would not have to be convinced. Pro-gay groups have learned that once children will naturally find the behavior and the underlying idea vulgar and gross, they will not be able to magically adopt a favorable stance.

Therefore, the groups have to get to the children and younger and younger of ages.

originally posted by: Anonymous007
I simply indicated that I no longer support the gay movement.

No. See the quote posted by Megatronus from this thread. Look at ALL your posts in this thread and tell me you simply don't support the "movement" (whatever that is).

You just are not getting it.

Oh, I get it! You're coming in loud and clear.

Calling others "hateful bigots" makes an enemy of others.

So does calling them unnatural and not normal.

You are a poor example of the tolerance your movement expects of others.

I am PROUDLY intolerant of bigotry, homophobia, prejudice and stereotyping.

Ah so peoples intolerance of your intoleranceis the problem? There is nothing to address in your posts. They are hate filled and full of reasons why you think the gay rights movement supports depraved public behavior.

originally posted by: Anonymous007
That is hateful and not very tolerant.

I guess I will use your inability to address the actual things I am writing as further evidence that I should not support the gay movement.

See? Your intolerance leads to intolerance.

Calling others "hateful bigots" makes an enemy of others. Then you wonder why you have an enemy.

IT IS DUE TO YOUR BEHAVIOR. NOT YOUR LIFESTYLE.

IT IS DUE TO WHAT YOU SAY AND DO. NOT BECAUSE OF YOUR SEXUALITY.

You are a poor example of the tolerance your movement expects of others. You are not open-minded. You are not willing to see the other point of view. You can't even properly comprehend what I have written.

Your gross mis-characterization of what I have espoused makes you look bad.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Anonymous007
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

If you think that the deplorable behavior is acceptable, then I have nothing further to discuss with you.

I said no such thing.

These events are put on BY the COMMUNITY and supported BY the community. If they didn't like the nasty behavior, it is contingent of them to STOP the behaviors. By allowing the actions to continue, they are at least tacitly agreeing with them.

And cops should police their own, religious people should be filled with the love of Jesus until it pours out into the streets, priests shouldn't mess with little boys and be protected by the parish, politicians should be honest and military people should act with honor. BUT THEY DON'T! Not if I judge them all by the actions of a few, as you're doing to gays.

Now, if I judge them as individuals, I can see that most cops are good. Many religious people aren't hateful, most priests aren't pedophiles, some politicians are honest and many military people honestly do wish to serve their country with honor.

It's how people are. Why should the gay community live up to standards that NO OTHER GROUP does?

I THEREFORE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO USE THESE BEHAVIORS TO FORM MY OPINIONS.

Of course you have that right. You have the right to judge all cops, religious people, or any group you want. But then you try to claim your not homophobic, when you've stereotyped gay people by the actions of a few, it shows your personal prejudice. You're not fooling anyone.

You don't have to shout, "I hate gay people!" to be homophobic. It shows in almost everything you say.

OK, public sex is a result of past discrimination? That is what you are implying? And everyone should accept it, because at least it is better than rape in wartime?

What is your agenda with this ludicrous line of thought?

I think that members here should have to submit their educational credentials so we can see how far they have gotten.

I would respond to your other information, but I have found that when I share facts, entire threads get shut down.

originally posted by: TheLamb
Back to the original 'is/isn't a choice', there is strong evidence that being gay is genetic. Women with close gay relatives, like offspring and siblings, have been found to be more fertile than those without. It's thought that if a gene causes homosexuality that same gene increases fertility to offset the end of a genetic line. In a round about way, gays contribute to the proliferation of the species.

It's also been proven that gay men elicit a neurological response to male pheromones which can't consciously be detected. It is a completely autonomic response that can''t be influenced by choice. In straight men there is little or no response.

On a slightly different topic and the instances of public sex at parades, it's a relatively recent phenomenon. It's a proportional response to centuries of persecution and having to skulk away in the shadows. At least it is consensual unlike public rape by straight hordes during invasions and war which still continues. Shocking our heterosexual counterparts goes some way to making up for the way we've been treated by society even in this day and age. I live in a remote village in the UK where I'm the only gay. Everybody knows. There is a bunch of guys who drink as a gang at the local pub. When I'm there they start acting camp, snickering away to each other. Then comes the jukebox with Kylie and Barbara Streisand. The others stand by idly and pretend not to notice. What am I supposed to do? Do I leave? Do I respond? No, I just have to put up with it.

That's the only choice I have.

a reply to: Megatronus

No hate.

If you see hate, you should talk to a mental health professional.

So, really, what you are saying, is that everyone has to just agree with everyone else, and no one can have an opposing viewpoint?

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Anonymous007
I simply indicated that I no longer support the gay movement.

No. See the quote posted by Megatronus from this thread. Look at ALL your posts in this thread and tell me you simply don't support the "movement" (whatever that is).

You just are not getting it.

Oh, I get it! You're coming in loud and clear.

Calling others "hateful bigots" makes an enemy of others.

So does calling them unnatural and not normal.

You are a poor example of the tolerance your movement expects of others.

I am PROUDLY intolerant of bigotry, homophobia, prejudice and stereotyping.

a reply to: TheLamb

Very interesting and exciting information about fertility and pheromones!

Gay Men Have Evolutionary Benefit for their Families

For several years, studies led by Andrea Camperio Ciani at the University of Padova in Italy and others have found that mothers and maternal aunts of gay men tend to have significantly more offspring than the maternal relatives of straight men. The results show strong support for the "balancing selection hypothesis," which is fast becoming the accepted theory of the genetic basis of male homosexuality.

Pheromones

Gay Men: Attracted to male pheromones, irritated by female pheromones, indicating prenatal wiring for sexual attraction to men.
Lesbians: Attracted to female pheromones, irritated by male pheromones, indicating prenatal wiring for sexual attraction to women.

originally posted by: Anonymous007
So, really, what you are saying, is that everyone has to just agree with everyone else, and no one can have an opposing viewpoint?

Gosh, if you have to put words in my mouth to argue with me, your argument is not strong. If I had said that, you would be able to quote me on it.

Because I don't think that homosexuality is normal, you paint me as a bigot?

Sure. OK!

I expect it.

Will your inability to allow others to have a dissenting viewpoint help your cause?

No.

In fact, it is people like you that erode support.

I tried to espouse a viewpoint without calling people names.

But that is all you folks want to do.

You gang up like bullies.

That is a sign of hate. I have said nothing to be hateful.

I have been tactful (even if my viewpoints may not be agreeable) and I have not bullied anyone.

If that is all you know how to do, then find a moderator and ban me.

See, unlike many here, I have a life and don't need this website.

I wanted to share my opinions and see what others thought.

Now I see that most of you are slanted to one side and do not have open minds.

Fine by me.

Your unhappiness and anger might be controlled by a visit to a mental health professional.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Anonymous007
I simply indicated that I no longer support the gay movement.

No. See the quote posted by Megatronus from this thread. Look at ALL your posts in this thread and tell me you simply don't support the "movement" (whatever that is).

You just are not getting it.

Oh, I get it! You're coming in loud and clear.

Calling others "hateful bigots" makes an enemy of others.

So does calling them unnatural and not normal.

You are a poor example of the tolerance your movement expects of others.

I am PROUDLY intolerant of bigotry, homophobia, prejudice and stereotyping.

Yes, I should for my gay mental disorder. I'm just glad I manage to keep my rampant infanticide under control.

originally posted by: Anonymous007
a reply to: Megatronus

No hate.

If you see hate, you should talk to a mental health professional.

Not one of my opposing viewpoints has been affirmed. Either I accept the homosex movement, or I am a hate-filled bigot.

OK.

At least I haven'e spent a decade of my life in a basement typing uselessly, hoping to "change" others' perceptions of this world.

I actually went out into the world and did "stuff".

So, you can attack others all you want?

You can turn this into a pissing match?

Is that REALLY what this site is about?

REALLY?

I thought it was about "Denying Ignorance"...

Go outside and cool down, buddy.

You are doing yourself no good here.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Anonymous007
So, really, what you are saying, is that everyone has to just agree with everyone else, and no one can have an opposing viewpoint?

Gosh, if you have to put words in my mouth to argue with me, your argument is not strong. If I had said that, you would be able to quote me on it.

a reply to: Megatronus


I sure hope you don't kill children. If you think you need help for your gayness or for issues related to it, please do talk to someone. There is no reason to be unhappy in this world.

No, you are getting called a bigot because you are posting on a thread about homosexuality and saying some frankly awful things about it. The fact you don't think homosexuality is normal is neither here nor there. I don't mind people having dissenting opinions, what I do mind is people equating homosexuality to Infanticide, mental disorders and claiming we all go to pride events to publicly masturbate.

originally posted by: Anonymous007
Because I don't think that homosexuality is normal, you paint me as a bigot?

Sure. OK!

I expect it.

Will your inability to allow others to have a dissenting viewpoint help your cause?

No.

In fact, it is people like you that erode support.

I tried to espouse a viewpoint without calling people names.

But that is all you folks want to do.

You gang up like bullies.

That is a sign of hate. I have said nothing to be hateful.

I have been tactful (even if my viewpoints may not be agreeable) and I have not bullied anyone.

If that is all you know how to do, then find a moderator and ban me.

See, unlike many here, I have a life and don't need this website.

I wanted to share my opinions and see what others thought.

Now I see that most of you are slanted to one side and do not have open minds.

Fine by me.

Your unhappiness and anger might be controlled by a visit to a mental health professional.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Anonymous007
I simply indicated that I no longer support the gay movement.

No. See the quote posted by Megatronus from this thread. Look at ALL your posts in this thread and tell me you simply don't support the "movement" (whatever that is).

You just are not getting it.

Oh, I get it! You're coming in loud and clear.

Calling others "hateful bigots" makes an enemy of others.

So does calling them unnatural and not normal.

You are a poor example of the tolerance your movement expects of others.

I am PROUDLY intolerant of bigotry, homophobia, prejudice and stereotyping.

This thread has gotten so far away from its initial topic.

It has devolved into finger-pointing and hatred against the lone non-gay "supporter".

I am out of here.

But thanks for showing how close-minded you can be!!!!

It is great to see that you continue to reaffirm my initial expectations about how those with dissenting views are treated on random message boards.

I thought ATS might be different.

Sadly, I was wrong.

Keep on trying to change the entire world, folks!!!

I see now why you suffer from such high rates of depression and suicide. It is because of your inability to act like mature members of society. You see hate where there is none.

See YA!!!!!!!!!!

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Trust me, I have nothing to be unhappy about. I've got an amazing partner of almost 9 years, a nice house and job and I'm 100% Comfortable with my sexuality. If other people have an issue with my or anybody else homosexuality that's thier issue not mine.

originally posted by: Anonymous007
a reply to: Megatronus


I sure hope you don't kill children. If you think you need help for your gayness or for issues related to it, please do talk to someone. There is no reason to be unhappy in this world.

HAHAHAHA!!!

What you see as "awful" is because it is the "awful truth" that hurts your feelings.

I WROTE NONE of the things you attribute to be below. NONE.

You are painting yourself to be a fool.

The fact is I think that many gays have serious mental disorders. The facts are there.

The information I posted was removed. It seems as if gay moderators don't like the truth.

Oh well.

Read the headline of my other post. It is a FACT.

originally posted by: Megatronus
No, you are getting called a bigot because you are posting on a thread about homosexuality and saying some frankly awful things about it. The fact you don't think homosexuality is normal is neither here nor there. I don't mind people having dissenting opinions, what I do mind is people equating homosexuality to Infanticide, mental disorders and claiming we all go to pride events to publicly masturbate.

originally posted by: Anonymous007
Because I don't think that homosexuality is normal, you paint me as a bigot?

Sure. OK!

I expect it.

Will your inability to allow others to have a dissenting viewpoint help your cause?

No.

In fact, it is people like you that erode support.

I tried to espouse a viewpoint without calling people names.

But that is all you folks want to do.

You gang up like bullies.

That is a sign of hate. I have said nothing to be hateful.

I have been tactful (even if my viewpoints may not be agreeable) and I have not bullied anyone.

If that is all you know how to do, then find a moderator and ban me.

See, unlike many here, I have a life and don't need this website.

I wanted to share my opinions and see what others thought.

Now I see that most of you are slanted to one side and do not have open minds.

Fine by me.

Your unhappiness and anger might be controlled by a visit to a mental health professional.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Anonymous007
I simply indicated that I no longer support the gay movement.

No. See the quote posted by Megatronus from this thread. Look at ALL your posts in this thread and tell me you simply don't support the "movement" (whatever that is).

You just are not getting it.

Oh, I get it! You're coming in loud and clear.

Calling others "hateful bigots" makes an enemy of others.

So does calling them unnatural and not normal.

You are a poor example of the tolerance your movement expects of others.

I am PROUDLY intolerant of bigotry, homophobia, prejudice and stereotyping.