Most homosexuality is a choice

a reply to: Badgered1

A "cure"? Really Metallicus? You really can't think like that, can you? In 2015? Wow. Just wow.

If science finds that homosexuality is a genetic abnormality why would you NOT want to give people the ability to be straight if that was THEIR CHOICE. I have read many place (even in this very thread) that many people that are gay would prefer to be straight, but they can't change their preference. What if science makes that possible? Why would that not be an option for some people?

I don't see anything judgmental or wrong with my thinking in fact I think it is quite logical that it would be great to offer people choices if they wanted to change. I am not suggesting we force anyone to change.

Human sexuality is a sliding scale with many different shades - There are those who are solely hetero or homo sexual, but most people probably fall into grey-er areas, if they're willing to admit it or not. If we could simply manipulate our base emotions, and choose to love who we want, this world would be much simpler - but it's untrue, you don't choose who you love, and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise obviously doesn't know love.

a reply to: Skyfloating

Since we're talking opinions and observations....here's mine (for what it's worth).

A beautiful well-endowed, with legs all the way to the ground female, is an amazing biological masterpiece that is in a league of it's own - for me nothing is more beautiful and attractive in all of nature.

And, as I see different females whom I consider in the same category, I would have sex with them all - thousands of them.

That is an inbuilt instinct since I can remember and that is just me.

That inbuilt instinct is what science needs to establish the basis of, because in every instance within my (and more so my wifes) social circles, I have no doubt that the gay and lesbian friends we have, have that same inbuilt instinct since they too can remember.

One day, science may very well confirm that ones sexual make-up and consequential orientation is an inbuilt biological instinct - after all, the laws of attraction are an extremely complex thing.

Science may also one day establish that that inbuilt instinct is fluid and subject to variants within a single individual.

originally posted by: WeowWix

I followed much of your rambling but then it dwindled down, especially at the end--what's the difference in you last sentence and why is it a problem? Because people lie or because people do not phrase their thoughts precisely as you would like?

The nature vs. nurture question has been debated for millenia and touches on much more than only homosexuality. I`m merely using homosexuality as an example of that question. And we now have the scientific means to look into it more deeply. If you don't see why this is important, do some more thinking.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: Badgered1

A "cure"? Really Metallicus? You really can't think like that, can you? In 2015? Wow. Just wow.

If science finds that homosexuality is a genetic abnormality why would you NOT want to give people the ability to be straight if that was THEIR CHOICE. I have read many place (even in this very thread) that many people that are gay would prefer to be straight, but they can't change their preference. What if science makes that possible? Why would that not be an option for some people?

I don't see anything judgmental or wrong with my thinking in fact I think it is quite logical that it would be great to offer people choices if they wanted to change. I am not suggesting we force anyone to change.

Where would we draw the line? With left handed people next? Of course it benefits people to be right handed and being left handed is a genetic anomaly. It also appears to benefit people to be thin and muscular and for women to have large boobs, do we need to cure people of this as well? We know that it benefits people to be white, male and Christian...so do we then cure everyone that doesn't fit that description? Just asking.

awesome.
its a choice.
so?

let me guess. you have a gay friend

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
Ignorance is a choice, being GLBTQ+ is not. no one does it for "Attention" or to be "Special" or "Different" [/quote

Actuallyo , it's not ignorance, it's willful stupidity. Ignarance is a natural condition, into which we are born and to which in order to escape, we must learn. Willful stupidity, on the other hand, takes real committment.

I think it comes down to choice, but much of that (unfortunately) is in the "how do I want others to see me"

My aunt is a lesbian who was married 2 times and got sick of lying to herself. There are men who are married but like men, just don't want the uproar in their bubbles to step on outside.

Everybody is different but you're right Charlie, if you are a straight guy through and through, I don't see how you choose different one day. And getting drunk while seeing beads on Adam and Eve dot com and pondering doesn't count 😇

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

a reply to: Skyfloating

Well you are right about one thing... you got blasted for this!
What were you thinking? Don't you know you have to tote the 'party line'?
Can't have you having a thought of your own, now can we.
Get back in the box... no thinking outside the box, ya hear?!

originally posted by: DuckforcoveR
I think it comes down to choice, but much of that (unfortunately) is in the "how do I want others to see me"

My aunt is a lesbian who was married 2 times and got sick of lying to herself. There are men who are married but like men, just don't want the uproar in their bubbles to step on outside.

Everybody is different but you're right Charlie, if you are a straight guy through and through, I don't see how you choose different one day. And getting drunk while seeing beads on Adam and Eve dot com and pondering doesn't count 😇

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I think there is an element of choice in the most minutia way possible.
Such as prison, or as you said, lesbians who go off of men...

But I couldn't get an erection over a male for love nor money, or both.
Mine are caused by attraction, and the rare bumpy bus journey.

a reply to: F4guy



I like it, Committed to Willfulness Stupidity

a reply to: Skyfloating

Sexuality is on a continuum that is probably influenced by nature and nurture. You can indeed be "born that way" and you can indeed have your sexuality influenced by social factors. Some people really are just hired wired to be homosexual or bisexual though. In women in particular, sexuality is more fluid, although it is theorized that homosexuality in males may do more to diffuse tension and create social bonds.

While any mention of a social influence on sexual orientation outside of an academic setting is contentious because of current political debate, you are grossly overestimating the role of nurture with your hypothesis based upon a tiny sample size and demonstrating a frankly obvious bias.

I mean, two people claiming to be lesbians that you've slept with in 20 years...? That's honestly, I mean really honestly what you are basing this tripe on? Is this a joke? If people get emotional it's because you ignore, oh I dunno... the scientific method and peer reviewed studies (done by people who actually understand the scientific method) in favor of "Well I knew these two lesbians...? Come. On.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Science may also one day establish that that inbuilt instinct is fluid and subject to variants within a single individual.

This bears repeating.

Well said !



The human animal cannot and never will be able to be squeezed into any one particular pigeonhole.

We're creatures of neverending changes and adaptation.

originally posted by: redhorse

I mean, two people claiming to be lesbians that you've slept with in 20 years...? That's honestly, I mean really honestly what you are basing this tripe on? Is this a joke? If people get emotional it's because you ignore, oh I dunno... the scientific method and peer reviewed studies (done by people who actually understand the scientific method) in favor of "Well I knew these two lesbians...? Come. On.

No. I`m not basing it merely on those two experiences but also on my understanding of how desire works. Further down I also cited the male-female apartheid state Saudi Arabia which has the highest prevlance of homosexuals. Why? Because men and women are not allowed to mix in that country.

originally posted by: CranialSponge
The human animal cannot and never will be able to be squeezed into any one particular pigeonhole.

And that makes some people VERY uncomfortable! I love diversity, myself. It keeps things interesting here on this rock.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Agreed.

"Variety is the spice of life", as they say.

In Saudi Arabia, for instance, because there is Apartheid between men and women, homosexuality is much more common.

Now this can be another thread. But before You go blowing bandwidth, have You ever been to Saudi Arabia or is this just another thing You have a "hunch" on?

I'll leave You with this, enjoy:

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originally posted by: JimNasium

Now this can be another thread. But before You go blowing bandwidth, have You ever been to Saudi Arabia or is this just another thing You have a "hunch" on?

Yes I have. No hunches. No political agenda. All real-life experience.

Nice song!

originally posted by: Skyfloating
No. I`m not basing it merely on those two experiences but also on my understanding of how desire works.

So your personal opinion then, right? Quite frankly how do you know? It's just your "understanding", no matter how educated one may think that is. I can't answer this tonight but tomorrow would be cool. Family stuff. I would recommend to check the difference between "sexuality" and "sexual orientation". There's the logic flaw.

I am a heterosexual man. I know that from experience.

I don't really have a 'type' of woman that I'm attracted to, but there are some boxes that get ticked by more than a few different types of women (plus size, ebony, mature are all good). I can become aroused by pornography, and by imagination, by many different types of women.

On the other hand, there have been a couple of examples in my life where I have genuinely been struck by a handsome man. It's not common, but I can be 'attracted' to people of the opposite sex. I honestly don't think I could have any physical relations with them, but who knows? Sex isn't about right/wrong (unless it's non-consensual/illegal). It's about passion, and instinct, and release. Perhaps, given the right circumstances, I could possibly do it. Does that make me gay? No. It would mean I had sex with a man. That would be a choice. The attraction would not be a choice.

If I found myself becoming attracted only to other men, and possibly finding the occasional woman attractive, then I might consider that I might be gay. Again, it wouldn't be a choice. It would be an attraction.
If I then had sex with those few women, that probably wouldn't stop me from being gay. It would mean that I slept with a woman. That would be a choice.

Attraction is not a choice. It isn't 'curable.' It's just preferences. I like peanut butter on toast, you might not. I won't judge you because you have a preference.