Most homosexuality is a choice

Just for the sake of arguing...allow me to ask this. A gay person is attracted to the same sex. Is that a choice? Obviously not. But deciding to engage in sex with someone of the same sex is a choice.

Sorry to use a peodephile...but it is the first obvious example that comes to mind. Considering the the first statement...if a person is attracted to children and wants to have sex with them but DOESN'T...by choice...are they a pedophile?

End result...being attracted to someone of the same sex is not a choice, having sex with someone of the same sex is a choice. We make choices every day that define who we are. We also make choices not to do somethings because we don't want to become "that" person (example: assault).

Just sayin'

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

.if a person is attracted to children and wants to have sex with them but DOESN'T...by choice...are they a pedophile?

Very interesting point . If my neighbour said he was attracted to young boys but was receiving counselling i would be more than a little concerned to be honest . Does that make him a paedophile , good question . Thought crime maybe , but would i leave my lads in his care . No .

a reply to: hutch622

Well then...maybe a person is gay-minded NOT by choice, but becomes gay when they act BY choice? Interesting. That or I'm just so tired that I'm getting goofy

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

Sorry to use a peodephile...but it is the first obvious example that comes to mind. Considering the the first statement...if a person is attracted to children and wants to have sex with them but DOESN'T...by choice...are they a pedophile?

Just sayin'

Is a 90 year old virgin (female), who never married, and is not a lesbian heterosexual?

Well op, I think you knew if you posted anything that went against an accepted response to this issue then the crying train would pull in and people would scream hate, homophobia, etc. Too many sensitive people on things like this, religion, race, gender, etc. A host of topics. My guess is you posted and started laughing, you knew the response , it's so easy to wind people up and the responses so predictable I make it a drinking game when I see a ton of topics. Didn't see hate in the op though.

Interesting but very predictable thread.

a reply to: hutch622

The DSM-IV-TR criteria was criticized simultaneously for being over-inclusive, as well as under-inclusive.[65] Though most researchers distinguish between child molesters and pedophiles,[9][10][12][65]

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More reading above. Short version, there is a debate that a person who has fantasies but does not act on them does not have a mental disorder unless the person is distressed by them.

Further interesting stuff:

In a letter to the editor, sexologist, lawyer, and gender identity specialist Richard Green questioned whether sexual attraction to pubescent sexual partners was a mental health issue, analogizing the proposal to the decision to include homosexuality in earlier versions of the DSM which turned a sexual orientation into a mental disorder. Green also questioned the proposal's impact on the credibility of the APA, its potential to blur the distinction between psychiatry and law, and whether it was necessary to create mental disorders for criminal acts. Green agreed the term would be useful for research purposes but disagreed with efforts to include it in the DSM-5.[39]

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This is a really valid discussion, since we often seem to think 'mental disorder = wrong' and 'mental health = right.' You can have a personality disorder which makes you spend all your money donating to charities. You can have an obsession with touching corners. You can hear gnomes dancing and singing the oompah loompah song. None of these potential disorders or issues says anything about the moral value of donating to charities, touching corners, or the oompah loompah song.

Question I'd ask, why do people look to a Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders for their morality in the first place?

Besides that ... sooooo much semantics in this thread ahahahaha

a reply to: markosity1973

Not sure...but it is possible to say that they aren't hetrosexual until they act. A drunk driver isn't a drunk driver just because they want to drink and drive

originally posted by: Reallyfolks
Well op, I think you knew if you posted anything that went against an accepted response to this issue then the crying train would pull in and people would scream hate, homophobia, etc. Too many sensitive people on things like this, religion, race, gender, etc. A host of topics. My guess is you posted and started laughing, you knew the response , it's so easy to wind people up and the responses so predictable I make it a drinking game when I see a ton of topics. Didn't see hate in the op though.

Interesting but very predictable thread.

I completely understand why people are saying what they are saying. Don't you think it's an insult to all the gay people who have been through hell for being gay, to hear someone say its a choice.

The responses were predictable because the theory is so stupid and wrong.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE
Homosexuality is often defined as a romantic or sexual attraction (consummated or not) to someone of the same sex.

Drunk driver is an observed description of a person in a particular state often applied in legal contexts.

Changing the definitions of words doesn't help the conversation ahaha

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Reallyfolks
Well op, I think you knew if you posted anything that went against an accepted response to this issue then the crying train would pull in and people would scream hate, homophobia, etc. Too many sensitive people on things like this, religion, race, gender, etc. A host of topics. My guess is you posted and started laughing, you knew the response , it's so easy to wind people up and the responses so predictable I make it a drinking game when I see a ton of topics. Didn't see hate in the op though.

Interesting but very predictable thread.

I completely understand why people are saying what they are saying. Don't you think it's an insult to all the gay people who have been through hell for being gay, to hear someone say its a choice.

The responses were predictable because the theory is so stupid and wrong.

Doesn't matter why they are so predictable, they are. There is about 1 person on this board who instead of sticking their fingers in their ears screaming hate, homophobia, etc they are pretty creative in their responses and the way they engage. That would be jadestar. Maybe because she is a scientist and has the ability to take a different route on these topics. Been my experience with jade anyway. I see the rest with the labels and crying and persecution complex from various topics be it sexuality, race, gendrr, etc. I would think after so long the narrative would change.

It really is boringly predictable...the same obsessive thoughts about other peoples' business...it really is a tiresome and hackneyed broken record...

Å99

a reply to: Pinke

Good point...I take back my drunk driver example. But I believe the peodophile example is still valid. Is someone who thinks of and wants to have sex with a child...but hasn't...a pedophile?

a reply to: Reallyfolks

The same threads have popped up throughout my time here in ATS. People saying the same thing as if there word is final. And all these people don't take into account the hardship and hell alot of people go through who are gay. Esp in countries where its illegal.

So yes, I can completely understand people getting annoyed with these threads.

And with past threads like this, I have learnt that the op will never change their minds to this belief

...If there was a hard and fast science to it, there wouldn't be the inane, obsessive preoccupation by most of the respondents with the compulsion to sidewind meaning into what is essentially none of their business (proper, polite discussion aside)...of course, focusing on others without examining your own psychological reasons for being at odds with it, is nothing short of diversionary behaviour to satisfy unconscious obsession...

Å99

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
a reply to: Pinke

Good point...I take back my drunk driver example. But I believe the peodophile example is still valid. Is someone who thinks of and wants to have sex with a child...but hasn't...a pedophile?

Lolz, you just totally just contradicted yourself.

The answer to all of the scenarios is yes, in thought but not in action.

originally posted by: markosity1973
Those peskie feminists don't like us gays anyways - what with all the agreeing we do with them, it kinda takes the wind out of their arguments

Oh, honey, you are SO right!

BH,
an unapologetic feminist

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: Reallyfolks

The same threads have popped up throughout my time here in ATS. People saying the same thing as if there word is final. And all these people don't take into account the hardship and hell alot of people go through who are gay. Esp in countries where its illegal.

So yes, I can completely understand people getting annoyed with these threads.

And with past threads like this, I have learnt that the op will never change their minds to this belief

A lot of people go through hell and hardships in life. Being gay or anything for that matter has nothing to do with it, unless you are born with the means to skate through life. Welcome to reality

originally posted by: mortex
Please point out EXACTLY which part of his post is LBGT bashing?

I did. Here: www.abovetopsecret.com... Last paragraph.

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Is someone who thinks of and wants to have sex with a child...but hasn't...a pedophile?

YES. A person sexually attracted to children is a pedophile. If they act on it, they are a child molester.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: markosity1973
Those peskie feminists don't like us gays anyways - what with all the agreeing we do with them, it kinda takes the wind out of their arguments

Oh, honey, you are SO right!

BH,
an unapologetic feminist

You are a wonderful individual and a goddess in your own right.

Oh I mean, please don't hit me, I promise to be mean and sexist to you!