Most homosexuality is a choice

originally posted by: Anonymous007

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Anonymous007
a reply to: darkbake

You realize that Kinsey had mental issues and like to "play" with children?

Prove it.

Provide factual source.

Too late. I proved this was wrong on the last page.

Thanks.

I knew there is no proof.

I would not want to take the word from the organization that must defend the dude's life work.

But I understand all about you folks that don't want to learn anything new.

no but you would take the word of the family research centre, a right wing, pro life, antI gay Christian group...

a reply to: Darth_Prime

All this thread has taught me is there are a lot of opinionated people who are not prepared to listen to those of us who have to live with the gay every day.

To our supporters; Thank-you. It is meaningful to know that so many of you can see past your own experiences and understand us.

To the detractors; If you believe being gay is a choice, would you choose it? Why? What if we're telling the truth and had no choice?

originally posted by: markosity1973
To the detractors; If you believe being gay is a choice, would you choose it? Why? What if we're telling the truth and had no choice?

Well that depends on the country. The US? Who the hell would(WTHW). That also goes for many ME nations. Most of Europe and Canada and it's cool though.

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Prison is another place that sex is different. Because of lust? I don't think so. That's a power play.

I honestly don't know what goes on in prisons. But I'm pretty damn sure they're not temporarily changing their sexuality and becoming gay for a period of time. I would buy that it's about power for some, just like rape is about power, not sex. But I would also buy that some miss having sex so badly that they just want some relief.

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: truthseeker84
Until they can show me which particular gene is responsible for switching the Gay/Lesbian sexual orientation, then I will agree that you can be born with it.

I don't ever remember reading about it in any Scientific Journals that is legit and peer reviewed. I said I don't recall, but maybe they've done the research and found the specific gene.

Until then, I'm sorry, I don't believe you can be "Born" gay or lesbian due to your genetic make up.

Would you also deny that you can be born with blonde hair even if we couldn't find the exact gene for it? (Yes, I know we can now)

I don't really think it's about genes. If it was, they mostly would not get passed down. Personally, I think it's more about hormone balances.

No, I do not deny the fact that when we didn't know which gene was responsible for Blonde hair, people are still born with blonde hair.

But I'm not sure what is the point of that statement? Because there "is" a gene that causes hair color or eye color or whatever else traits you may have.

When you study Biology or Anthropology, you will get a better understanding of this. Knowledge is what sets people apart. Those that know vs that that don't but makes their own "assumptions".

No, it's not really about hormonal balances. If it is, then I am correct because how your "Hormones" operate, is also affected/controlled by your genetic makeup, i.e. Protein Synthesis.

I should really put it this way, even if they do find the gene that causes Homosexuality, it's still not enough proof that you can be "BORN" a Lesbian or Gay.

Natural Selection and the theory of Evolution tells us, that the ENVIRONMENT we live in, plays a HUUUGE factor on how we turn out.

There are lots of genes that are dominant, recessive. There are also genes that are hidden or locked, where Scientists are beginning to do research study and yielding results on it. Where... say...being an Alcoholic is actually a gene that is passed down from parent to offspring. We just didn't know it was there. The problem is, now that we kind of, sort of, can say it's there, but it is not "EXPRESSED" in a way we think.

Your baby, with the Alcoholic gene, is not born an Alcoholic. This particular gene has to be "TRIGGERED" or activated in order for them to go spiral into rehab on booze. This "TRIGGER" is not the gene itself, but outside environmental influences.

So either way, the likelihood of someone "BORN" gay or lesbian, is almost impossible by my book.

I ain't not never done nuffink like that...man sex, still - never say never...not never!

See here to understand why.

Seriously, though...what's the biggie? People care so much about this non-issue. I remember that picture of the dude what got his head smashed with a rock whilst enjoying a wild romp with a chicken. His and the chickens body, lying there still in mid-stroke, I mean what a way to go.

Ain't not no-one all that bothered about this, or David Cameron receiving fellatio from the severed head of a dead pig which is infinitely much worser than human on human, be it man on man, woman on woman or man on woman...or two men and one woman, 8 mean and 2 women.

The porn you can get nowadays, nobody cares that much. Sure there's small groups of feminists and what have you who speak out against it but nobody listens to them much.

This is all available online...someone, eh, told me. Yeah, japanese vomit porn...you can access it 24/7, sop can your kids. If two guys like a bit of that or two lasses like a bit of this behind closed doors then forget about it...your kids won't know nout about it, it ain't a problem unless you make it one.

Most kids dunno what gay is or means until they hear some idiot call someone a poof or lesbo...in a pitiful attempt to parade your masculinity around in such a cavalier fashion you've actually opened your childs eyes to a world of what you apparently believe is sordid debauchery...don't make no sense, just get on with it.

It's like that time Richard Bacon of Blue Peter fame snorted some illegal Class A drugs...nobody knew nothing about it, until the media decided that it was terrible, kids shouldn't know about this stuff, he's a presenter on a kids TV show...so they told everyone about it, ensuring 100%-fold that all kids in the UK would soon know the man they liked on TV was into some weird sniffy thing...that sniffy stuff is more popular than ever, now. Weird, eh?

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Prison is another place that sex is different. Because of lust? I don't think so. That's a power play.

I honestly don't know what goes on in prisons. But I'm pretty damn sure they're not temporarily changing their sexuality and becoming gay for a period of time. I would buy that it's about power for some, just like rape is about power, not sex.

Exactly. What more demeaning to a man than to be raped? It's not sex it's domination.

But I would also buy that some miss having sex so badly that they just want some relief.

Alpha males wanting sex for sex with other males? I'm sure it happens but that isn't prison reality.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: truthseeker84
Until they can show me which particular gene is responsible for switching the Gay/Lesbian sexual orientation, then I will agree that you can be born with it.

I don't ever remember reading about it in any Scientific Journals that is legit and peer reviewed. I said I don't recall, but maybe they've done the research and found the specific gene.

Until then, I'm sorry, I don't believe you can be "Born" gay or lesbian due to your genetic make up.

This may not be proof, but even if


science did find a gay gene, I doubt if you would accept it as evidence.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

I know....attack the source!

How can we not attack the source?

In modern times, we are plagued by people who absorbed knowledge from sites such as YouTube, Reddit, Wikipedia and/or other random web sites....

If you want to talk real Science... like as in.. REAL SCIENCE, you don't cite sources that are from sites like.. www.gaybros.com....

I'm talking about actual PUBLISHED Scientific Journals, the likes of these:
www.aaas.org...

Where "REAL" scientists do "REAL" research using "AUTHENTIC" Scientific Methods. Then the work should have been "PUBLISHED" and as well as "PEER REVIEWED", meaning the Scientific Method can be duplicated and yields similar results by many researchers around the world.

As yourself said, yes, attack the source. How can we not, with a generation of people heavily relying on wrong sources to spew information.

This is certainly not saying that I don't use Wiki, Reddit or YouTube myself, I do. But I just feel that if you want to talk about a real scientific, real touchy subject, we should really seek proper sources instead of some ABC Doctor claiming this and that without any proof at all.

There are a lot of infomercials during late night, pills and drugs making extraordinary claims. Studied and approved or researched by this or that Ph.D. Little did people know, once you do proper research, you will find that many of their Doctor's or Ph.D.'s claims are unsupported and unproven in actual Scientific publications.

Anyway, the point is, until real science can tell me it is a "FACT" people can be born gay or lesbian, I'm just going to say no to it.

Certainly, this doesn't mean it's impossible, it just means that with whatever studies we currently have or done, we can't prove it yet.

With current achievements in Molecular Biology, I think it's safe to say that if it exists, we will find it soon. If it doesn't then we will also know very soon as well.

Maybe I should also add, I'm not posting to attack the Gay community in any way or form.

If somehow, I've offended anyone here, I apologize ahead of time as it is not my intention.

In fact, I really do not care if someone is Gay, Lesbian or fly both ways. It matters not. What does matter is making Scientific claims that are not supported.

You can choose to be gay/lesbian, or you are affected somehow and turned gay/lesbian, it doesn't matter. Why do you have to be "BORN" a gay or lesbian? Is it more of a social acceptance issue? If it is, you don't need to pull the Science Card for other people to accept you, I and many others already do.

originally posted by: truthseeker84

Until then, I'm sorry, I don't believe you can be "Born" gay or lesbian due to your genetic make up.

Some people are born Left handed.

Explain that.

a reply to: Annee

I'm more intrigued by the fact that so many are right handed...I mean it's 50-50.

In countries where folk write from right to left, are left handed people more common? I don't mean to derail this thread but that just occured to me and it's intriguing to say the least.

Carry on...

I often wonder what it would be like to have enough free time on my hands to worry about others sexual orientation.

originally posted by: truthseeker84
Why do you have to be "BORN" a gay or lesbian? Is it more of a social acceptance issue? If it is, you don't need to pull the Science Card for other people to accept you, I and many others already do.

Given the bigoted, hateful crap that a lot of people spew - shouldn't the question be "why would someone choose to be gay?"

If you knew that people were going to be constantly judging you, subjecting you to extreme prejudice, making out you were disgusting and equating you to a pedophile (as happens, and can - shamefully - be read on ATS) do you think anyone in their right mind would "choose" such a thing.

That alone should be evidence enough that being gay is not a choice. No one is going to choose that.

a reply to: OnionHead

Probably less bad than having very little free time and still wasting it thinking about others' sexual orientation.

We can only speculate at this point.

originally posted by: OnionHead
I often wonder what it would be like to have enough free time on my hands to worry about others sexual orientation.

Right? That's drinking time.

The first thing I think of when I meet someone is, "What is their sexuality". Said no reasonable person ever.

originally posted by: OnionHead
I often wonder what it would be like to have enough free time on my hands to worry about others sexual orientation.

I think worrying about other people's sexuality is a choice in 98.4% of the people who do...

originally posted by: HeathenJessie
a reply to: Annee

I'm more intrigued by the fact that so many are right handed...I mean it's 50-50.

In countries where folk write from right to left, are left handed people more common? I don't mean to derail this thread but that just occured to me and it's intriguing to say the least.

Carry on...

LOL, you're not the only one that's thought about those who write from right to left.

Science actually just recently found a gene that may be the cause of left handedness. But, only in the last few years.

Interesting: www.independent.co.uk...

Let's make an end to this debate once and for all.

your spirit is male nor female. It however could lean toward being more feminin or more masculine. While in spirit you have the choice to come in the body of a male, or the body of a female. Now, if your spirit leans toward being more feminin, and then goes to occupy the body of a male, this male will appear to be gay. If the spirit leans toward being more masculine, and chooses to inhabit a male body, this male will appear to be 'straight'. The same principle applies to woman.

Now there are a multitude of different reasons that spirits may want to experience being 'gay'. There are as many reasons as there are gay people on the planet. All in all, everything is for the purpose of spiritual growth for yourself and those around you.

a reply to: markosity1973

I agree. it's sad that these "Awake" people refuse to actually open their eyes

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

I'm desiring money, and can't shake off those feelings. I'm emotionally attracted to money also, so I was born to be a bank robber, I just can't help that. I was born that way.

Oh now you compare homosexuality to criminality?

There is such thing as being criminally insane or criminals growing up like that. But that's completely different.

You choose to eat because you are hungry, and if you choose not to, you will starve and die.

Try it for a few weeks and see what happens.

Saying that some things are not a choice is a convenient way to try and stop the worry and the accountability factor.

Accountable for what?

What damages have homosexuals done?

If you aren't guilty of something, why all the effort to convince the rest of the world that being Gay is normal and good?