Most homosexuality is a choice

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: MrConspiracy

Is there a Straight Agenda i need to know about so i can do the same?

Yeah! Get with the program slowpoke! The troops need you hahaha

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OK. Personal stuff. I avoid this because I can't confirm it but here goes nothing. Nurture creates gay kids? No. My Dad was in the Navy. Never saw him growing up until 14. I was raised by my Mom and GM until my GF retired and then he was there. Yes I can cook like a mother. I could also croquet. Not gay. My son had me around and he was raised BBQing(really the only way a man should cook ), football, etc. He's gay but don't call him queer. He built like a linebacker. 6'1" and 260 lbs.

Until they can show me which particular gene is responsible for switching the Gay/Lesbian sexual orientation, then I will agree that you can be born with it.

I don't ever remember reading about it in any Scientific Journals that is legit and peer reviewed. I said I don't recall, but maybe they've done the research and found the specific gene.

Until then, I'm sorry, I don't believe you can be "Born" gay or lesbian due to your genetic make up.

a reply to: intrepid

thank god your little story isn't considered legitimate in any way.... anyone on the internet can be a typing dog.

a reply to: Darth_Prime

no because we're the normal ones and everyone else is just weird!!

/sarcams

a reply to: intrepid

I posted this on another thread a while back, it pretty much sums up my view...

originally posted by: Indigo5


So..I have a scientific mind..Apart from my political views..apart from my moral world view...a scientific..and yes, Skeptical, mind.

Here are some interesting factors...About 1 in 4500 babies is born with "indeterminate genatalia"...2% of the population.

Strange, but true. Sexual orientation is a spectrum. Not Binaray...Either/Or.

in those cases the doctors often make a judgment call and operate accordingly giving the baby either female genatalia or male.

This is done unaware of genetic/psychological/physical future. So a male or female might hit puberty and realize they are a woman or a man despite whatever the doctors decision was when they were a child.

Also...seeing as sexual orientation is a spectrum, it is possible for people to have male or female genitalia but for their desires and general biology to cross over from the line where there physicality is.

Natural born homosexuals.

Lastly I must acknowledge knowing women who suffered abuse by men as children that skew homosexual/lesbian. they simply will never feel sexual attraction toward men after the horrors of their youth.

Whatever the cause...it is not my own and thus I have no issue accepting anyone's else's world view, physical destiny, DNA, experience etc.

Nature vs. Nurture? Interesting, but not my place to assign any moral value whatever the answer. To each their own and God bless.

originally posted by: nomdeterreur
a reply to: intrepid

thank god your little story isn't considered legitimate in any way.... anyone on the internet can be a typing dog.

Which was my point Captain Obvious. Take it as it is or not.

originally posted by: Skyfloating
I believe that most homosexuality is a choice and most were not "born that way". I say this based neither on science nor religion but on personal experience.

I find that unconvincing, unless you have actually chosen to be homosexual, did the whole gay thing of coming out etc. and then after a year or so walking that path you would choose to be heterosexual again, or maybe bi and then heterosexual for completeness.

Children grow gradually and at some point they are able to make choices. But before that they are exposed to the many stimuli of this world and have to make sense of it all. For some reasons and I believe it's mostly confusion or misinterpration out of lack of information to reason a thought because children grow gradually and in different ways because there are many different settings some come to the conclusion they must be homo/bi sexual.

Another thing is I disagree with homosexuality and if I were to view it as a choice then I must conlude they are doing (what I believe is) wrong on purpose and that would only generate aversion in my mind and it just wouldn't be right. I haven't always disagreed though in fact I was raised to accept homosexuality from an age I didn't even know what love or sex was at all. I believe I have nailed the latter but am still unsure about the former (love that is) and that is one of the good things about the phenomenon, it really makes one think about things otherwise never thought of, which I appreciate and we should all be thankful about because in a way they are speeding up development of humanity in general.

originally posted by: truthseeker84
Until they can show me which particular gene is responsible for switching the Gay/Lesbian sexual orientation, then I will agree that you can be born with it.

I don't ever remember reading about it in any Scientific Journals that is legit and peer reviewed. I said I don't recall, but maybe they've done the research and found the specific gene.

Until then, I'm sorry, I don't believe you can be "Born" gay or lesbian due to your genetic make up.

Would you also deny that you can be born with blonde hair even if we couldn't find the exact gene for it? (Yes, I know we can now)

I don't really think it's about genes. If it was, they mostly would not get passed down. Personally, I think it's more about hormone balances.

This here, is the issue. people can not see the differentiate between a sex act and the orientation. when someone talks about homosexuality as a sex act, to me, it shows a lack of understanding on their part. Saying homosexuality is just the sex act is basically saying they deep down think same about heterosexuality.

I was no where near puberty when I realised I was different, then one day someone used the term gay. I had to ask what it meant and then I knew that was me. I've always known and that is one of my earliest memories. I've been with my partner for almost 9 years, equating gay as just sex is pretty insulting really.

The jury might be out on nature or nurture but its most certainly not a choice.

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
So, if i read this right

Being gay = Sex

Heterosexual = Love, relationships, memories, families, marriage, companionship

I just want to add, since my contribution earlier was pretty silly, honest...but irrelevant and pointless.

For the OP I see no bashing...I see someone stating an opinion, but more importantly I see someone being themselves.

If people are to accept these alternative lifestyles with decency and courtesy I reckon it's time that the LBGT (I've no idea what that means but I'm using that acronym, nonetheless) community practiced what they preach in that regard.

You can't attack someone for being themselves because you somehow believe they've a problem with you being yourself.

Set an example, eh? Seriously, the chap made his point, you don't need to like it. But you can't deride him for saying he doesn't agree with your lifestyle...who you are, while at the same time bashing him for being who he is...don't make no sense nor nuffink.

Who cares, anyhow...if I were gay I'd like fat men...but I ain't, so fat girls'll do me. Specially gothy looking ones with dark eyeshadow and black lipstick...I worship 'em!

But because you know 2 lesbians who 'chose' homosexuality you claim it is a choice. wow.

originally posted by: Skyfloating

originally posted by: Ikema

Wrong, dead wrong. As I had said before I have a sibling that is homosexual and believe me it is caused him nothing but a life of depression.

Just because you happen to know someone who is homsexual by nature (apparently, and not due to upbringing), doesn't mean everyone is.

originally posted by: Skyfloating
The LGBT Community however, claims that gender is a "fluid" concept and that one can choose to be something else, at will. Sexual orientation on the other hand, they say, cannot be chosen.

Can you link to them saying this so I can read it for myself? I have a feeling you have entirely misunderstood what was said.

originally posted by: Skyfloating
There is no desire from this end to interfere with anyones life. There is a strong desire to figure out what percentage is "born this way" and what percentage is nurtured, conditioned, chosen.

And you think you're going to find that from the members of ATS, instead of a scientific community who studies such things?

You didn't start this thread ASKING to figure anything out. You TOLD everyone how it is based on your personal experience. You told every LGBT person reading this thread how it is.

And I still ask (for the 3rd time) What if it is a choice? And If Being Gay is a Choice, So What?

originally posted by: truthseeker84
Until they can show me which particular gene is responsible for switching the Gay/Lesbian sexual orientation, then I will agree that you can be born with it.

I don't ever remember reading about it in any Scientific Journals that is legit and peer reviewed. I said I don't recall, but maybe they've done the research and found the specific gene.

Until then, I'm sorry, I don't believe you can be "Born" gay or lesbian due to your genetic make up.

This may not be proof, but even if


science did find a gay gene, I doubt if you would accept it as evidence.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

I know....attack the source!

a reply to: akushla99

I'm too busy being an Ultra-Homo Sorry!

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: akushla99

I'm too busy being an Ultra-Homo Sorry!

Man, I hope you aren't lactose intolerant:

originally posted by: Skyfloating
As mentioned previously, I spent some time in a middle east country where there was a strict separation of men and women. They are just not allowed to get together there unless they are married. So many of them turn to homosexuality.

That's NOT homosexuality. That's lust. Boning a guy because that's all that's available doesn't mean someone has "turned gay" for the time being - and then they "turned straight" again when they got married!

Just out of sexual urge.

Exactly. Lust. Not sexuality.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Prison is another place that sex is different. Because of lust? I don't think so. That's a power play.

a reply to: Megatronus

Exactly, because even "Gay Sex" can and has been done by Straight people. it's like, some people think that being Gay is only having Sex with the same Sex and nothing else