Very recent epiphany, The gay rights movement has a very sinister agenda.

originally posted by: Gemwolf
Look up pericentromeric chromosome 8 and chromosome Xq28 to begin with.

While I guess this might be another holy grail to the LGBT movement and this will fall on deaf ears but genetics and it's conclusions are often controversial, just like this study. I don't believe in the idea genetics determine a personality but rather like a selfdriving car that grows in programming as it goes around, everybody born a clean slate or tabula rasa, the nurture rather than nature.

Also - if you weren't born with a sexual orientation i.e. "neutral" it means that one day you made the conscious decision of being straight. Can you tell us about that day when you decided to be heterosexual?

That's an interesting question. It reminds me of another question I have made up to which I also don't have an answer. It is; if gays talk about love, I get the impression they mean it is the same thing as straight love. But if they never knew straight love because many say they were never attracted to women or even knew they were gay from a young age, how can they be sure about this?

TBH I don't think it's a conscious choice and I think the question might just be too difficult. After all, we are all human, then why are some straight, some bi and some gay? Even if it would be genetics, there was a time when the gene didn't exist if you assume evolution is correct and life gradually grew from noncomplex to complex. So why did some develop it and pass it on while others didn't?

Also - if people are turned gay by "propaganda/the 'Luminati techniques'/genetically modified food", why aren't all people gay? Wouldn't everyone be affected equally and indiscriminately? Are you aware of Occam's razor? Isn't it more reasonable to accept that people have been born gay for thousands of years, instead of some elaborate plan by some made-up "power" to turn the entire population gay?

Really. Think about it, just for a minute.

Actually a simple theory is that there are people who would want to # as a lifestyle, all day long a lifetime. But they need people to do that with so that's why they want everyone to become *bi* and are just using gays to speed up the process.

Another thing I wondered about I would want to mention about the LGBT doctrine. There's the argument of Christianity being ancient and we all need to move forward to 2015, not year 0 when everyone was primitive. But at the same time they argue homosexuality has existed for centuries to justify their existence. Isn't it an obvious contradiction or is it just me.

originally posted by: Anonymous007

Your statistic is absurd. I have known many gays throughout my life and not one of them has killed themselves.

Sure. But how many gays didn't you know because they committed suicide...

originally posted by: johnnyjoe1979

While I guess this might be another holy grail to the LGBT movement and this will fall on deaf ears but genetics and it's conclusions are often controversial, just like this study. I don't believe in the idea genetics determine a personality but rather like a selfdriving car that grows in programming as it goes around, everybody born a clean slate or tabula rasa, the nurture rather than nature.

Indeed. I used chromosome Xq28 as an example or starting point for the OP's statement that it isn't "Scientifically proven that people are born gay". There has been countless studies on the matter and many, many more debates. We still don't know the answer. The Genome-wide scan demonstrates significant linkage for male sexual orientation is the most conclusive (and I use the term very broadly) but far from black and white - as with so many things in science.

We can go round and round arguing nature vs nurture, that debate has also been done ad infinitum , so let's not bore each other.

That's an interesting question. It reminds me of another question I have made up to which I also don't have an answer. It is; if gays talk about love, I get the impression they mean it is the same thing as straight love. But if they never knew straight love because many say they were never attracted to women or even knew they were gay from a young age, how can they be sure about this?

Love has been described in music, poems, pictures, movies, plays, books and grand gestures by many, many people. And anyone that has been in love knows exactly what it is the artist talks about. Love is universal, no question about it.
Your question may just as well ask how do you know your concept or feeling of love is the same as a previous generation's concept or feeling of love. Or men vs women. You just know.
And don't you think it's a tad insulting to gay (and all variations) people to insinuate they don't really know the true meaning/feeling of love?

TBH I don't think it's a conscious choice and I think the question might just be too difficult. After all, we are all human, then why are some straight, some bi and some gay?

I think a mistake people make is to see sexuality as a black and white or two dimensional thing. You are either straight or gay or smack dab in the middle. I think sexuality is more a sliding scale with every individual somewhere between the two poles. I.e. someone can be 80% gay and 20% straight or any variation thereof. Which would explain why there are the stereotypical hairdresser-type gay guy with the limp wrist who we'd put at the 99 percentile gay. And the stereotypical lumberjack hunter redneck at the 1 percentile gay. Think about gay people you know about. There are some you would never have guessed are gay like Orlando Cruz and some are just fabulously obviously gay like Chris Colfer. A common human trait is our need to organize things and to put everything in little boxes. And that doesn't really always work in reality.

Even if it would be genetics, there was a time when the gene didn't exist if you assume evolution is correct and life gradually grew from noncomplex to complex. So why did some develop it and pass it on while others didn't?

The same can be asked about any gene. If I were to ask that question about hereditary diseases. A gene that would ultimately kill a person is passed on to the next generation. It makes no sense...

Actually a simple theory is that there are people who would want to # as a lifestyle, all day long a lifetime. But they need people to do that with so that's why they want everyone to become *bi* and are just using gays to speed up the process.

And that's how you insult two groups of people all at the same time.

Another thing I wondered about I would want to mention about the LGBT doctrine. There's the argument of Christianity being ancient and we all need to move forward to 2015, not year 0 when everyone was primitive. But at the same time they argue homosexuality has existed for centuries to justify their existence. Isn't it an obvious contradiction or is it just me.

Just you. The argument more that people should evolve past the caveman phase of throwing rocks at everything they don't understand irrespective of Christianity. Anti-gay people are using scriptures that are thousands of years old. By-laws that made sense back then. And it's fine if you want to make that your believe system. The problem is, however, that those people only handpick some verses from those "laws" as support for their anti-gay attitude, and conveniently leave out other laws from the same books and passages which they don't abide by...

a reply to: hiddenNZ

You may want to ask 'Females' that as well since they do it also...

what might also why "Nature" or "God" or "Creator" put the Prostate where it is also...

a reply to: Darth_Prime
Hi Darth, thank you for asking. While this is more general about sex ed, I know that some books geared for as low as 4th grade have very explicit pic some involving teens in bed and some relating more to gender identity...in general sex Ed has gone way over the top especially in common core.
drrichswier.com...

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
Know what is funny? Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing to do with homosexuality. Just read it again. Heck read the whole Bible. You will see that it even interprets itself. I say let the Bible interpret itself. And you will see that the Bible interprets the story not to be about homosexuality but something else. Read.

Here's another way of putting it:

Nothing in the Bible is complicated. God would be stupid to write a book that people couldn't understand.

That'd be the stupidest thing that He ever did. ~ Norvel Hayes (@ 3 min)

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

drrichswier.com...

Students were once taught the value of US Constitution

Well... except for some amendments right *Cough14thCough*

wow,dont know why my post was deleted....but darth prime....maybe the prostate is where it is cause thats the way we evolved....ever think of that? Why do you think it is where it is? humour me,lol.

originally posted by: Gemwolf

originally posted by: Anonymous007

Your statistic is absurd. I have known many gays throughout my life and not one of them has killed themselves.

Sure. But how many gays didn't you know because they committed suicide...

I can with absolute certainty that personally, that number is a minimum of four. And that is ONLY people I went to college (high school) with.

RIP Aaron, Phillip, Steven and Michael

a reply to: humanityrising

You missed my post on page 20. Anyone who studies that verse will tell you it does not mean to literally keep your mouth shut. Otherwise earlier paul would nto had approved of women prophesiding earlier in the chapter. He meant in certain context not flatly. If you jus t see verses as flat you ar e missing their meanings.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
I find it highly strange that marriage equality and abortion are symptomatic of Satan's agenda at work in America but hundreds of years of slavery, genocide of ingenious peoples, indentured servitude and abuse of immigrants (who have themselves been a majority Christian) isn't.

Yeah, but you're not as jumpy paranoid as us CHristians. There's a thread about the constant state of Christian Persecution left embedded in the psyche of all Christians, whether or not actually persecuted.

Well, you can't top that! So, Satan's everywhere. And if not, he's convinced us otherwise, that he's non-existent. Kudos.

a reply to: hiddenNZ

I don't know why it is where it is, i was just just responding to you

originally posted by: NotTooHappy
a reply to: GoShredAK

Jesus and SSatan are fictional characters and your scripture is fiction as well.
Quit attempting to use fairy tales to justify your bigotry, hatred and fear.

Wow! how did you figure that out! This is huge.

oh wait that's just your opinion. boring.

I am not attempting anything really. Harbor no hate or fear either. Just love life and am proud to know Jesus.

sorry that bugs you! can't help ya, look within.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: GoShredAK

Same for gay folk they didn't choose they just were attracted to the same sex instead of the opposite.
Just how God made them.

oh joy! good for them. we all deserve happiness.

a reply to: Gemwolf

Right/Wrong in what sense?

in accordance to Christian values.

not trolling, just keeping my head afloat while holding my position.

originally posted by: Gh0stwalker
You lost me at Jesus Christ and "Sripture".

what a shame, I'm so disappointed, I was just chomping at the bit to read your awesome feedback.

originally posted by: deadeyedick

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
Just posted this in the 'Homosexuality is a Choice' thread, but it goes for you too:
OP...you're missing the whole point. It doesn't matter if it's genetic, a choice, a lie, an experiment, for attention or just for personal pleasure. As long as it (whatever 'it' may be- gay, straight, furries, S&M) includes the words 'consenting' and 'adult' then it's none of your damn business. Live and let live.

Everybody keeps whining about the 'gay agenda'....the gay agenda just seeks to eliminate hatred and discrimination, the gay agenda simply seeks equality. Teaching kids what 'gay' means won't make them gay. And no one is asking you to take a dick up the butt. So...find a new hobby.

that is bs cause it is spreading like a virus

It is deadeye, it's as if many people have manifested into one hateful entity. It is disturbing and unnatural.

I find comfort however because this validates my suspicions regarding the state of the world right now.

I Stand with Christ more so now than ever. The attacks fuel me......lol

originally posted by: GeisterFahrer

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: GoShredAK

The point of gay animals has went right over your head , it means that it points to a genetic reason for the behaviour or was that to difficult for you to understand obviously it was.

There are also animals that eat their young. When humans do it, it is considered a crime (to go further, we deem the person mentally unstable). There are also animals in the animal kingdom that force themselves sexually on non mature, young, animals within their own species. When humans do it, it is called pedophilia. When humans do this to animals, it is called bestiality. When animals do this to humans, I am not sure what that is called. And I don't really want to know.

Now, what if the human consented to the dog humping his leg? would this make it right?

Bumped for relevance. I tried to explain this earlier, you did better.

a reply to: Darth_Prime
sure,why bring it up then mate? You make out you know why,and no doubt( in your mind) its a better reason than evolutions reason......I could quite easily have myself banned from this site if I continue on with it.