Very recent epiphany, The gay rights movement has a very sinister agenda.

originally posted by: humanityrising

originally posted by: GeisterFahrer

originally posted by: humanityrising
OP and others who agree with him, I have two questions for you, and am very interested in your opinions:

1)What are your thoughts on genuine hermaphrodites who are born with both male and female genitalia, fully formed?

2)Homosexual behavior is rampant throughout the animal kingdom, especially among mammals. Did God design nature that way, or did Satan somehow meddle with creation? Or another reason for it?


I sincerely look forward to any insight on these questions. Thanks

Answer to your first question:

Hermaphrodites should be respected for the individuals that they are. It is a confusing existence for them, as well as those whom they interact with.

As a Christian, I view this as a genetic disorder that is entirely NOT their fault. I do not condemn hermaphrodites to the eternal flames of hell, I do not claim they cannot be "saved" and be Christians themselves. A rather simplistic answer, I know. Religion is not rocket science. It is faith. It is love of God.

I won't get into any deep teleological arguments - but I can. I will just say that I know many hermaphrodites feel slighted by people of faith and I can understand the anger.

Answer to number 2:

It is my opinion that the APA had the correct diagnosis of homosexuality before they were infiltrated in 1972. If it were God's "design" for mankind to produce by same sex coupling, then it would be natural. The only way for life to continue in the animal kingdom, is for one male, and one female, to produce offspring. This should be a very big clue as to what the intended design was. I apologize if this sounds condescending.

Thank you for responding.

Your answer to my first question seemed somewhat evasive. You seem to just confirm the existence of hermaphrodites without addressing where it fits into God's plan, and what lessons are to be taken from why this occurs in nature.

Your answer to my second question only stated that males and females are necessary for procreation. The question is not regarding procreation; I was asking why homosexual behavior is prevalent throughout the animal kingdom, where does that fit into God's plan, and what lessons are to be taken from why this occurs in nature.

I'd appreciate it if you addressed my other main qualm as well if you don't mind. Thanks

Why don't you just read what Jesus had to say about your other qualm? He was very specific about marriage and divorce.

edited to add: I wasn't being evasive - maybe I just didn't answer your question the way you expected a Christian to answer?

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: GoShredAK

The point of gay animals has went right over your head , it means that it points to a genetic reason for the behaviour or was that to difficult for you to understand obviously it was.

There are also animals that eat their young. When humans do it, it is considered a crime (to go further, we deem the person mentally unstable). There are also animals in the animal kingdom that force themselves sexually on non mature, young, animals within their own species. When humans do it, it is called pedophilia. When humans do this to animals, it is called bestiality. When animals do this to humans, I am not sure what that is called. And I don't really want to know.

Now, what if the human consented to the dog humping his leg? would this make it right?

originally posted by: GeisterFahrer

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: GoShredAK

The point of gay animals has went right over your head , it means that it points to a genetic reason for the behaviour or was that to difficult for you to understand obviously it was.

There are also animals that eat their young. When humans do it, it is considered a crime (to go further, we deem the person mentally unstable). There are also animals in the animal kingdom that force themselves sexually on non mature, young, animals within their own species. When humans do it, it is called pedophilia. When humans do this to animals, it is called bestiality. When animals do this to humans, I am not sure what that is called. And I don't really want to know.

Now, what if the human consented to the dog humping his leg? would this make it right?

Never mind my first response but people are treating the thread as a debate about the validity of gay marriage .

originally posted by: deadeyedick
that is bs cause it is spreading like a virus

No, THAT is BS. The numbers are the same as they have been since the beginning of humanity. It's just that people now feel like it's safe to come out of the closet and be honest about who they truly are.

You can't catch it. It can't be taught (it can be acted on, say in a prison situation, but that person's true preferences remain intact). It doesn't spread by word or contact.

So I'm assuming you're straight? Then WTF does it matter to you if the next guy is gay? Love thy neighbor, man. You don't have to physically love him, just have acceptance and compassion in your heart. If Jesus Christ himself met a gay couple, he would invite them to his home for dinner, wash their feet, give them the best accommodations he had to offer and even sleep on the floor if he had to. It amazes me how many Christians go against the teachings of Christ, in the name of Christ.

Lol....this Christians vs gays thing is getting old and played out.

How did pagans feel when Christians came to Europe, touting their religion as the best thing since sliced bread, forcing their agenda upon peoples just wanting to live their lives in peace?

I don't agree with a lot of crap having to do with lgbt rights, because a lot of times they are actually demanding special rights, trying to marginalize the normal population, and force their views onto others, especially children...

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie
I see you have adopted views that allow for the total denial of any and all personal responsibility

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: GeisterFahrer

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: GoShredAK

The point of gay animals has went right over your head , it means that it points to a genetic reason for the behaviour or was that to difficult for you to understand obviously it was.

There are also animals that eat their young. When humans do it, it is considered a crime (to go further, we deem the person mentally unstable). There are also animals in the animal kingdom that force themselves sexually on non mature, young, animals within their own species. When humans do it, it is called pedophilia. When humans do this to animals, it is called bestiality. When animals do this to humans, I am not sure what that is called. And I don't really want to know.

Now, what if the human consented to the dog humping his leg? would this make it right?

So does this mean we should also eat our young? This is not a valid argument. But in any case this thread is not an argument for of against gay marriage but a look into the political and moral agendas driven by TPTB.

My response was a response to a statement claiming since homosexuality is prevalent in the animal kingdom, that God must have put that in his divine plan somehow.

Is pedophilia in the animal world somehow part of God's divine plan? Is eating your young somehow part of God's plan?

Is it natural for a parent to eat their children? What about the insect world, can we include the insect world too?

I can totally understand why the 14th Amendment was used in the recent Supreme Court ruling, as the same advocates for SSM are also trying to make animals and humans equal as well.

"Cuz, ya know .. animals humping your legs and bugs eating their mates is like ... normal and healthy"

originally posted by: johnb
a reply to: yuppa

that would be in 1 Corinthians 14:35
If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 cannot be used to completely silence women from speaking in church meetings, as Paul condones the verbal ministries of prayer and prophecy from women. Taking into account that Paul condones women who prophecy, it is difficult to see how 14:34-35 can be used to exclude women from other equally influential and authoritative speaking ministries in the church.

In other words that verse contradicts earlier ones. Its most likely meant to keep the discussions on topic by limiting the amount of talking honestly. SO once again we have a example of a "paul-ism"

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Right, when it was intended to demean and under value us of the GLBTQ+... gosh guys stay on topic please

a reply to: Titen-Sxull

When I said that I used to use the tactic of stating an absurdity with such conviction and firmness that it lent to it credibility.... I was doing it jokingly to try to convince people to believe something that obviously was not true. The difference between me and you is you're actually serious.

I would think the fact that feces comes out of the anus would be enough evidence for you as to what its function is....But obviously you need an instruction manual to go with it.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: ladyvalkyrie
I see you have adopted views that allow for the total denial of any and personal responsibility

WTF?

A certain percentage of men are sexually attracted to children. However, a relationship of that nature would be permanently damaging to that child. Therefore, it is the responsibility of the adult to abstain. If they do not, then they have harmed a child and should have to answer to the law.

2 grown ass men deciding they want to make out/live together/be each other's beneficiaries/etc. is none of your business. If you feel it's personally responsible to be straight, then be my guest, but that's where it ends. You have no right to force your beliefs upon consenting adults. It is the place of the law to allow consenting adults to live and do as they please. You can be straight. Someone else can be gay. And yet someone else might be bi. Some people are asexual. How does living by YOUR made up rules suddenly become someone else's 'personal responsibility'????

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Right, when it was intended to demean and under value us of the GLBTQ+... gosh guys stay on topic please

My apologies then, it appears the topic went from the Illuminati to MIB instigating a gay mafia club to take the rights away from Christians.

The topic then turned into Christian bashing, and from there, it turned into homosexuality prevailing in the animal kingdom. We now have chimpanzees that want to wear scarves and be your hairdresser.

I learn something new every day.

a reply to: GeisterFahrer

Might as well use stereotypes too right....

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

if I accept that it is ok for a manly couple to do such then that acceptance is stretched into such becoming mainstream in my everyday life

do I think it is ok for a couple men to act a certain way behind closed doors? absolutely

but that is taken as me accepting a way of life outside the bedroom that is harmful to society in the long run

MORAL DECAY in the name of equality

a reply to: HarryJoy

I thought your retort was funny, and had to sift through multiple pages to read the previous interaction that you were referring to. Only to be disappointed when I found out you're anti-gay.


So anal sex is a 'misuse' of body parts? Well, by that logic oral sex would be too because (in your terms) pee pees are only supposed to go in hoo ha's to make babies right? Since everyone is so disgusted by gay folks engaging in these acts, shouldn't they be equally revulsed by straight couples partaking???

So shouldn't every straight guy on this thread- in his enlightened quest for the proper use of body parts- turn down a hot chick for oral or anal sex??? Would you really turn down a BJ because it was a misuse of body parts? I think not.

PS Sex is awesome! I intend to use any body part I have in conjunction with any body part of my partner in the pursuit of pleasure and I'm not one bit apologetic about it! Hey gay bashers....have fun in your Puritan shackles while I'm enjoying hot, kinky sex!
Lmao!

a reply to: deadeyedick

Do you think it's ok to be fired from your job because your employer found out you were gay? It's happened, and it's still happening to this day, there's no protection there.

Do you think it's ok to be turned down for the military because you're gay? That's happened, despite the fact that it has absolutely no bearing on the person's ability to shoot a gun or operate a radio.

Do you think it's ok to live in a loving, committed relationship for 30 years with someone and STILL not be able to legally tangle your finances, insurance, etc.?

Do you think it's ok to be beaten or lynched because of who you choose to have sex with (as long as you're not having sex with kids- I would be ok with a lynching at that point)?

How would you feel if being black was the only acceptable skin color, but you were born white...and to make it in the world day to day you had to paint yourself up in blackface and never let anyone know who you truly were out of FEAR? That's a pretty miserable existence. And THAT is what the LGBT movement is trying to remedy. You don't have to be gay, hell you don't even have to like it, but you really should be mature enough to let other people enjoy the same freedoms you take for granted.

a reply to: deadeyedick

I'm Harmful to society?

So, lets tell straight people to only be straight behind closed doors, oh and religious people? leave you crosses at home because lets ban them also...

a reply to: yuppa

how can you be so sure?

What we know of physics thus far doesn't remotely hint that the Universe even COULD be alive in a biological sense. And even if it were I highly doubt it would care what a bunch of humans did with their genitals. I find it utterly ridiculous when people (not you) suggest that a higher power cares about the sex lives of human beings.

Humans are too small to cause the universe to turn its attention toward us even if we could prick it so to speak for a reaction.

Exactly, which makes the hypothesis that the Universe is alive as unfalsifiable and thus completely pointless. Of course it's hypothetically possible that the Universe is alive or that there's a god or gods out there but there's no real evidence and, as you point out, may be no way (at least currently) to get such evidence.

how would that happen if evolution didnt dictate the functions of the genetalia?

Nature doesn't dictate anything in a literal sense. When thinking about the subject my mind went to the word function, like the primary function of our genitalia. Sure from a purely biological perspective the primary function is procreation but human beings have found far more things that we can do with our genitals than just make copies of ourselves. Like the example I gave of an artist who uses their genitals on canvas. The person I was responding to seemed to think there was some kind of intentionality to nature.

a reply to: GeisterFahrer
I got a chuckle from your post. Yes that is what I meant ie we don't have to behave like animals who do those things.

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: deadeyedick

I'm Harmful to society?

So, lets tell straight people to only be straight behind closed doors, oh and religious people? leave you crosses at home because lets ban them also...

That would be a solution and one I would welcome. A completely neutral society, no religion or anything sexual but the dry scientific version about how it's meant for reproduction. Not the religious version about it being sinful, not the other end of the spectrum glorifying it, just about the big belly and babies. But it wouldn't work.

It would mean homo/bi sexuality would not be taught in schools, not negative but also not positive, let each individual decide for themselves and keep their opinions to themselves, just the dry scientific facts. Which is what I think is sinister and we all suffer because in the end, people will have no business with eachother. Someone getting beat up in some home and the neighbours don't call the police because it's none of their business. Let that person who just had a heart attack in public die because it's the business of health care professionals. Who knows, that person might have chosen to refuse medical treatment out of religious reasons. Just keep to yourself, mind your own business and move along about anything in public and have a party at home. The party is me being sarcastic because who can have a party in an uncaring society.

Ofcourse a society is everyone's business. And that is where it gets complicated. Personally I would like to see all sexual expressions be banned from public places, if just for the children and how people can be examples, role models. Let them find out when they are old enough to be able to make up their own minds about it when they read about it on for example the internet, in the privacy of their own home and because they chose to do so themselves.