Is there a Conspiracy to Get Rid of David Cameron and Radically Alter the Face of UK Politics?

a reply to: andy06shake

With you 100% on those sentiments. If ever we needed change its now and especially a government who represents the majority of the people living here. We could also do with a fresh approach to people holding influence over our politics who don't 'live here' but actually do but see no need to pay their taxes. No wonder the rich get richer under our david.

originally posted by: Shiloh7
One wonders how Cameron with two close advisers each avoiding paying their taxes here has the audacity to face the ordinary tax payers of this country - again its the double standard this man thinks is acceptable for his elite mates.

Agreed.
Cameron didn't give a toss about the tax issues, but then thought he could cross Ashcroft and get away with it lol, lots more will be coming out soon, haha he royally #ed it for himself double crossing Ashcroft.
Give me a self made business person with questionable ethical business practices any day over a silver spoon fed career politician.

a reply to: supamoto

You have been talking to my sons. Both work long hours and have to be grateful for having full-time work although they don't seem to get what one would call full-time wages, just full-time taxes. Its the ones on Zero contracts and the ones who can''t get a job that Cameron seems to ignore - according to his Bullingdon principles that is.

a reply to: Mastronaut

Thanks for bringing in the world perspective. Its food for thought that perhaps there is so much public irritation that the elite are loosing their stranglehold a little by little.

Its not that long ago that most of us had never heard of the names of the bankers or were aware of their treachery and criminal activities against us all. The net is changing our awareness and more and more people are getting pretty made about it.

Ok Cameron's bad...

But Corbyn? that guy's just utterly dangerous!

a reply to: EA006

We need someone who clearly isn't open to blackmail as obviously Cameron would be if this hadn't come out.

We know that as you say Fagging, paedophilia and initiations are part of our elite's persuasion. Perhaps its time we started to stop feeding their propensity for paedophilia by prosecuting a few of them before they die or manage to creep away with claims of alhzeimers in order to avoid prosecution.

However none of this aspect wasn't known before, its just been given the spotlight worldwide and there is possibly more to come. Were he not a cousin of the queen he might have been told to go already. She might hold sway here, but I bet she is thinking purely of her family's image and damage control. Interesting times.

I usually don't pay any attention to politics, although I should, but I always feel the outcome is always out of my hands, no matter the votes the people pulling the strings will elect who they see fit, the candidate who goes along and asks little questions, but in my opinion Cameron has outstayed his welcome, his policies are a mixture of pro rich, but at the same time pro immigration, he is a the poster child of the political centre, he is a liberal capitalist XD, but I will vote for Jeremy, everything about him like, his humanity is refreshing, he looks like a real human, whether he means what he says will all come to fruition soon enough, he is more for the working class, more than Cameron is anyway, and I am working class so yeah, I voted UKIP just because they were Pro-EU exit, i even donated to a few of their rallies, but then i realized they have no power and were easily silenced with the "You are a racist sir" agenda.....so yep Jeremy Corbyn all the way for me

Anyone else curious about the amazing similarity to the episode of Black Mirror? Is it 'life imitating art' or 'art imitating life' or just one of them darned old coincidences?

a reply to: TonyS

I worked in a power station for the CEGB and honestly that industry only had one problem and that was the small amount of money the government put into the budge to run our generating plant when compared to the amount of profit they took out that was generated by the industry. It was a disgrace and another form of indirect taxation. That industry along with other nationalised ones use to train huge numbers of apprentices for a variety of jobs with the experience of working 'on-the-job . We had terrific engineers sent all over the world to help other countries with their generating needs. We also had them come to the station to learn - all that has been lost.

I am all for the nationalisation of our industries again. If you look at our once owned public transport systems. They are owned now by German Pension Funds making money for German pensioners who ail be sitting on the beaches laughing at our pensioners whose funds have zilch in them. We needs these earner industries back funding our own pension industry and country not foreign ones. We have been sold short - if you think about the water boards they had managers earning a scale of salaries, not milking millions. You don't need a high flying exec demanding millions to sell water to people and the industry trained its own engineers to run it efficiently.

a reply to: Shiloh7

Although I'm often accused of being right-wing, I agree with you and support nationalisation of water and energy supplies. Still won't see me voting Corbyn any time soon though lol.

a reply to: Freeborn

We know one impossible part of it is obviously Lord Ashcroft - albeit he has given up his seat in the Lords.

I rather suspect there might have been a little coterie of David's friends who could have got on a lot of people's nerves with their superior attitude and totally disregard for the law here that others have to abide by. Most don't like double standard and unearned privilege.

Cameron has obviously, even with the power of the queen's huge press office behind him, been unable to stop this publicity so I doubt Ashcroft has acted alone here. He has also been given information by others close to Cameron so certainly no loyal to him.

I have always believed in mankind's humanity and I can't help wondering if we either have: some people who actually are prepared to go for real change in this country or we have people who want to get rid of the old guard, royals and Rothschilds etc and simply create a new group of faces at the top albeit using the same politics and corruption. Time will tell. Times are changing, information is immediate and with the continual cuts to the police and armed forces the elite are leaving themselves somewhat open to public displeasure. There are also rumblings in the markets that don't bode well - perhaps our elite are heading for the hills?

a reply to: grainofsand

I'm wondering if its actually the facts that will apply here. I suspect there is and has been for a long time a dislike by the public of these hooray henries and elites. The queen is getting older and when she goes, we will be having Prince Charles and Camilla neither particularly popular and both gained by Princess Diana's death so protocol may well not make it easy to put William on the throne and I doubt with his lifestyle he would want it anyway.

You are so right about the difference is calibre between the self-made man rising from the dole to being a billionaire. Personally I would very much prefer men like him in our government rather than the direct university graduate or the mate of the Queens type.

What our government needs is diverse, experienced and talented people running it. Not the old boys network and I think people are recognising how little they have in common with Cameron.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

I am wondering though if he is alone in this. Are there others out there who want change in parliament which seems to be hard to get? Over the years I have got sick of looking at the same faces on the front benches who just dance their way from ministry to different ministry often with precious little experience to add to the areas they are governing over. There is little chance of change especially for the ambitious and perhaps we have a number of them waiting to come forward.

a reply to: eletheia

Ha Ha! he doesn't need to be bought his closet already overfloweth into the public arena. Apparently this has amused Putin immensely.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Perhaps there is a corrupt way of looking at this - should Cameron have accepted the donations of someone he knew wasn't paying his UK taxes.

We have already have Cameron exposed for taking Class A drugs and conspiracy to conceal tax evasion by a donor of his party and a second charge of conspiracy for protecting in Zac Goldsmith. There are huge sums of money involved here which go back 10 years.

I suspect there are other charges the police could throw at him or at least they would were ordinary people, unrelated to the queen, involved at this level of tax evasion which is a crime that normal people go to prison over.

originally posted by: Shiloh7
We have already have Cameron exposed for taking Class A drugs and conspiracy to conceal tax evasion by a donor of his party and a second charge of conspiracy for protecting in Zac Goldsmith. There are huge sums of money involved here which go back 10 years.

I suspect there are other charges the police could throw at him or at least they would were ordinary people, unrelated to the queen, involved at this level of tax evasion which is a crime that normal people go to prison over.

That's simply because there is no evidence. Someone saying you did something in a book is worth sod all to the Police, much less to the CPS and Courts. Even if secretly caught on video doing drugs, the Police can do nothing, it's worth less than sod all as evidence. As for Zac Goldsmith, he had some questions over his expenses and cheated on his wife, but actually seems like a decent politician - he is one of the few Tory MP's who has actually supported and proposed some decent changes to the whole system, not that anyone paid any attention to him.

EDIT: As for the OP, no I do not think there is a plot. This is normal stuff for politicians and has been for decades because, let's face it, they're people and people do stupid crap. This will be forgotten about within weeks and come the next election, no one will remember it at all, Corbyn will be destroyed at the polls (He has abandoned the centre and others will fill it) and the Tories will get to rule for another 5, probably with Osborne as PM.

a reply to: DAZ21

Its a tough one here. I didn't agree with our forces going into Iraq because I could see what would happen to that country's infrastructure. I felt exactly the same way when cameron was involved with arming the uprising in Libya and was ashamed of the way Gaddafi died, no one deserves that kind of death, whether they have offended the bankers or not. I am gobsmacked he thinks he has the right to get rid of Assad where is it in his party's manifesto to do this?

But worse than that though is that he can manage to send in drones to kill two british terrorists there who had threatened the queen, but was totally impotent or simply didn't bother to protect David Haines that decent aid worker and family man out there when he was killed.

I don't agree with Corbyn's idea of not keeping trident - so both men have policies I didn't and don't agree with, but I would prefer to to with the more peaceful one because Cameron and Blairs wars have cost people dearly and they certainly haven't been carried out for the betterment or safety of the british public - in fact rather the reverse.

a reply to: Shiloh7

No, not a conspiracy. It is just what it is. Ashcroft has sought to hit David Cameron as hard as possible yet has very limited range ammunition. It is certainly no shock to me. I know all the games that students get up to and David Cameron has done nothing out of the ordinary in comparison to other posh students who join those kind of clubs. Look at the weird initiations into American campus clubs such as Skull and Bones, etc. It goes on in societies all over the globe. Sorry, but no scandal at all, just a rat squeaking because he did not get his big lump of cheese.

Ashcroft is a typical jerk ratting on his friends because he did not get his own way and it shows he does not have real gentleman roots to do something as despicable as throw old # around like this at a time that is most opportune to hurt David Cameron.

Corbyn's early life is no better with all his affairs, etc, and all his naive political views.

I don't think this is any kind of scandal. It is all alleged and written in an unofficial biography. DC will last this term and then he does not plan on another anyway. Looks like Osborne is waiting in the wings to fill the shoes of British PM post Cameron.

a reply to: Shiloh7

Just as lone as it keeps them in the lime light…

originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: DAZ21

Its a tough one here. I didn't agree with our forces going into Iraq because I could see what would happen to that country's infrastructure. I felt exactly the same way when cameron was involved with arming the uprising in Libya and was ashamed of the way Gaddafi died, no one deserves that kind of death, whether they have offended the bankers or not. I am gobsmacked he thinks he has the right to get rid of Assad where is it in his party's manifesto to do this?

But worse than that though is that he can manage to send in drones to kill two british terrorists there who had threatened the queen, but was totally impotent or simply didn't bother to protect David Haines that decent aid worker and family man out there when he was killed.

I don't agree with Corbyn's idea of not keeping trident - so both men have policies I didn't and don't agree with, but I would prefer to to with the more peaceful one because Cameron and Blairs wars have cost people dearly and they certainly haven't been carried out for the betterment or safety of the british public - in fact rather the reverse.

Axe to grind somewhat? So, Corbyns love in with Hamas, one of his cabinet having said that he thinks members of the IRA should be honoured makes him 'peaceful, and for Gods sake, Diane Abbot'? Or, is he an unwanted throwback to student level socialism that has no clue about the real world? If you want to play a rich = bad argument, look a little at the shadow cabinet, their property, where their children were educated and then come back and say there is a clear distinction. Corbyn hasn't lived in the real world for decades, if ever, I don't want to be sucked into his alternate universe thanks.