What came first, Nothing or Something?

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

Time is an actual dimension according to the laws of physics.

Have you ever experienced any other time but now?
You are never not now - you are always present.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

Time is an actual dimension according to the laws of physics.

Have you ever experienced any other time but now?
You are never not now - you are always present.

But I did experience last week, two years ago, etc...and yet I am always present, too.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: MotherMayEye
It is now now so where are you going to go to put the other end of the measuring stick?
Some other time is not here - except as an idea that mind has now.

Not true. What happened last week is not exclusively made from Ideas in minds. Ideas that were never in minds also existed in the dimension of Time...like the most remote unknown parts of space.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

Time is an actual dimension according to the laws of physics.

Have you ever experienced any other time but now?
You are never not now - you are always present.

But I did experience last week, two years ago, etc...and yet I am always present, too.

Also, the same could be said for our positions in Space. We are always exactly where we are but yet our position is always changing as the Earth hurls through space.

That doesn't mean other Space does not exist around us just because we aren't occupying it.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

Time is an actual dimension according to the laws of physics.

Have you ever experienced any other time but now?
You are never not now - you are always present.

And consider that since last week, last month etc...my memory of Time has been unbroken. What happened last week didn't suddenly occur to me just now.

a reply to: MotherMayEye
Where is 'last week' now?
Where is 2 minutes from now?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: MotherMayEye
Where is 'last week' now?
Where is 2 minutes from now?

They can all be defined by their positions in the fabric of Time.

Just like Everything can be defined by their position in Space.

I am going to use an analogy of software programming and a computer to illustrate:

Time is a computer program code but does not exist on any medium. All of the contents that go into the complete code are simply defined ideas that have not been recorded or played.

Space is the disc that the programming code is 'written' on to.

Time and Space together are the system that allows the program to run.

Or something like that. It's the best analogy I could come up with but I think it works.

There is no such thing as nothing period!

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
There is no such thing as nothing period!

Correct.

But, none-the-less, the Idea of Nothing had to manifest because you cannot have an Idea of Something without an Idea of Nothing to compare it to.

So the Idea of Something caused itself and the Idea of Nothing to materialize and manifest using the dimensions of Space and Time.

Time is the only dimension both Ideas can exist in simultaneously.

So....Nothing is nothing. The Idea of Nothing could never materialize in space. The Idea of Nothing could, however, exist in Time and does. Fleeting ideas born in minds in the fabric of Time.

The Idea of Something can exist in space and time.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
There is no such thing as nothing period!

Correct.

But, none-the-less, the Idea of Nothing had to manifest because you cannot have an Idea of Something without an Idea of Nothing to compare it to.

So the Idea of Something caused itself and the Idea of Nothing to materialize and manifest using the dimensions of Space and Time.

Time is the only dimension both Ideas can exist in simultaneously.

So....Nothing is nothing. The Idea of Nothing could never materialize in space. The Idea of Nothing could, however, exist in Time and does. Fleeting ideas born in minds in the fabric of Time.

The Idea of Something can exist in space and time.

When you introduce frequency, resonance, or density into the equation we see that even the infinate can appear as nothing. It all depends on perception!

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

If it appeared in someone's mind as Nothing...it's not nothing, it's an Idea that exists in the dimension of Time.

Nothing doesn't need to exist to be an idea. And yet it's impossible that the Idea of Nothing hasn't always existed.

It's the IDEA that's important.

For Something to be an Idea -- Something had to 'materialize'. And what it materialized were the woven dimensions of Time and Space in which the Idea of Nothing co-exists in Time with the Idea of Something.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

If it appeared in someone's mind as Nothing...it's not nothing, it's an Idea that exists in the dimension of Time.

Nothing doesn't need to exist to be an idea. And yet it's impossible that the Idea of Nothing hasn't always existed.

It's the IDEA that's important.

For Something to be an Idea -- Something had to 'materialize'. And what it materialized were the woven dimensions of Time and Space in which the Idea of Nothing co-exists in Time with the Idea of Something.

Time, space, power, reality, soul, and mind are all just different names for infinate counsiousness which is far beyond any concepts other than that of infinate god.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
Time, space, power, reality, soul, and mind are all just different names for infinate counsiousness which is far beyond any concepts other than that of infinate god.

If everything that goes through our Minds does not exist in Space, and only exists in Time. I would imagine we will be comfortable when we only exist infinitely in the dimension of Time.

All the woes that come from having a material body in Space and Time will be gone. Yet, our Minds are as complete as they were at the the moment of death and cannot unlearn how to think.

Or that's what I wonder about. Is it like dreaming? That doesn't take place in Space.

Can you communicate with other 'Minds' -- Collections of Ideas -- in the dimension of Time only?

Some new Idea has to manifest in the dimension of Time when we die.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Disagree, the system is defined. It's intelligent inherently -- it's a mathematical process set into motion for the purpose of causing an Idea of Nothing to coexist in the dimension and fabric of Time with the Idea of Something.

That's my take.

I agree; it is the AUO or prime source creator that is binary in nature that is attempting to know what 'ITSELF" is, using us to describe its being.

Before nothing was that, before, that, the gap in-between, something and nothing,.

Nothing or something.......... its the gap in-between the thing and No-thing, nothing is the density space, something is the space filled.

The in-between is the bit/byte before, what, becomes the outcome of the nothing or something, the expansion or inspection of the space.

Then the dimensional polarity earthed,as the worlds psychological logic is the belief system, at fault with itself as the theory of Some/No-thing.

a reply to: Fingle

Nothing could not exist unless the Idea of Something also existed to define it. It's an impossible paradox to overcome.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Fingle

Nothing could not exist unless the Idea of Something also existed to define it. It's an impossible paradox to overcome.

The only reason humans exist is to define God (as our creator). It has no idea what it is without our attempts to describe its OWN beingness. This is a selfish act on its part but you know we were the creation it decided upon ulimately as its interpreter; (insects did not pass muster apparently).

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Fingle

Nothing could not exist unless the Idea of Something also existed to define it. It's an impossible paradox to overcome.

The only reason humans exist is to define God (as our creator). It has no idea what it is without our attempts to describe its OWN beingness. This is a selfish act on its part but you know we were the creation it decided upon ulimately as its interpreter; (insects did not pass muster apparently).

Why would we need to define a Creator if a Creator existed already in a definite form?

We are the last step in a mathematical equation of Ideas that went from the first 'Something' that manifested itself as an Idea to the Idea of Nothing that manifested in Minds.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Fingle

Nothing could not exist unless the Idea of Something also existed to define it. It's an impossible paradox to overcome.

The only reason humans exist is to define God (as our creator). It has no idea what it is without our attempts to describe its OWN beingness. This is a selfish act on its part but you know we were the creation it decided upon ulimately as its interpreter; (insects did not pass muster apparently).

Why would we need to define a Creator if a Creator existed already in a definite form?

We are the last step in a mathematical equation of Ideas that went from the first 'Something' that manifested itself as an Idea to the Idea of Nothing that manifested in Minds.

We don't have to define it. We are being used to define Itself to Itself. We are God existing in a definite form as individualized parts of itself. We probably are the last step FINAL in its imperfect expression of itself as perfection is not attainable.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: Fingle

Nothing could not exist unless the Idea of Something also existed to define it. It's an impossible paradox to overcome.

The only reason humans exist is to define God (as our creator). It has no idea what it is without our attempts to describe its OWN beingness. This is a selfish act on its part but you know we were the creation it decided upon ulimately as its interpreter; (insects did not pass muster apparently).

Why would we need to define a Creator if a Creator existed already in a definite form?

We are the last step in a mathematical equation of Ideas that went from the first 'Something' that manifested itself as an Idea to the Idea of Nothing that manifested in Minds.

We don't have to define it. We are being used to define Itself to Itself. We are God existing in a definite form as individualized parts of itself. We probably are the last step FINAL in its imperfect expression of itself as perfection is not attainable.

But for what purpose? A creator could not exist in an indefinite form -- it would just be a mish-mash of possible Ideas. I guess I am missing what purpose would cause us to have to define a Creator that is already defined.