Is the EU immigration issue an ISIS Trojan Horse??

So,

I know there are already a few posts around the recent EU Immigration issue, and i wanted to start a new one on one specific detail,

Back in February the following made it into the Daily Mail news online:

ISIS threatens to send 500,000 migrants to Europe as a 'psychological weapon' in chilling echo of Gaddafi's prophecy that the Mediterranean 'will become a sea of chaos'

and

ISIS has threatened to flood Europe with half a million migrants from Libya in a 'psychological' attack against the West, it was claimed today.
Transcripts of telephone intercepts published in Italy claim to provide evidence that ISIS is threatening to send 500,000 migrants simultaneously out to sea in hundreds of boats in a 'psychological weapon' against Europe if there is military intervention against them in Libya.
Many would be at risk of drowning with rescue services unable to cope. But authorities fear that if numbers on this scale arrived, European cities could witness riots.
Separately, the militants hope to cement their control of Libya then cross the Mediterranean disguised as refugees, according to letters seen by Quilliam the anti-terror group, reported by the Telegraph.

Since then however, it would seem that a new opportunity has presented itself. This would be the refugee crisis that is currently unfolding in Europe. Currently, hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees have gone through great extremes in order to flee war torn Syria, many of which have chosen a path to Europe. This has become a big problem for many European nations, some of which who were already struggling with their own economic issues.

Why is this not front line news?? ISIS threaten it, then do it, what is making the news is how can the EU house all the refugees, I understand how the MSM will show what the governments want them to show,

One subject that is very concerning, is the possibility that hundreds, if not thousands of ISIS militants could be among these refugees. It’s not rocket science that Islamic State may use this as an opportunity to hide a large number of wolves among the sheep who are attempting to flee the conflict in Syria. Some of the richest nations in the Middle East have refused to accept any of these refugees, and this very well could be the reason why.

According to WND news, an ISIS operative claimed that ISIS already has over 4,000 fighters awaiting orders throughout the European Union. He said “They are going like refugees,” with a grin on his face. Similar statements have been made through Twitter accounts allegedly belonging to members of the terrorist organization. The operative also said that, “”It’s our dream that there should be a caliphate not only in Syria but in all the world and we will have it soon, God willing.””

This is not just another objective for Islamic State, it’s destiny according to their own beliefs. Author Robert Spencer said in a Front Page Magazine article that, “Hijrah is the Islamic doctrine of migration, which is a form of stealth jihad. To emigrate in the cause of Allah, that is, to move to a new land in order to bring Islam there, is considered in Islam to be a highly meritorious act.

So are we days/weeks away from devastating attacks on the EU? I am all for helping people from war torn countries, but these are simple war tactics, we must be so close the edge before all out war? and to what end, knock Bashar al-Assad of his post? get complete control of the east (and the oil?)

And governments are admitting they are struggling to keep up, this screams that an attack is going to happen

From the Gaurdian newspaper:

Major terrorist attack is ‘inevitable’ as Isis fighters return, say EU officials

“The home affairs council is very aware and very frightened of this … The colleagues in the police administration just don’t know how to cope. They all fear this could be totally out of control. It may already be too late,” the senior official told the Guardian and five other European newspapers.

Found this video interesting on the matter also:



What is the thoughts of the fellow ATS members?

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I think it unlikely that amongst all these young men there are not a few "plants" who will cause problems further down the line.

Chuck away your gun, put on a sad face and you could be anyone, when you're that psycho who (only yesterday) was raping kids and beheading old men for fun. Who knows what some of these people will do when they have settled into the warm embrace of the liberal West.

Migrants, some refugees and some nut-jobs. No papers, no history, no chance they will be stopped.

An ISIS trojan horse seems totally unnecesarry considering dozens of EU countries have already allowed hundreds of their own citizens return to home country after some nice beheading action over seas. Seriously, i get worrying about the refugees. But foreign ISIS fighters are being allowed to return home. - with benefits even.

Bigger problem here. Those citizens will be excellent at recruiting more back home.

a reply to: lightedhype

100% agree, the gates are open for more people to either be 'recruited' or used as weapons,

very dangerous times

Based on the statistics (often skewed or misrepresented on ATS and elsewhere incidentally,) and based on the confirmed and documented knowledge that at least a good number of those immigrating from various ME regions currently are indeed genuine refugees, I would say the reality is probably closest to:

• There is a legitimate humanitarian crisis
  
• There is also economic immigration
  
• There are some of each coming from regions other than just Syria, obviously, as much of the region as a whole has been in turmoil almost perpetually since the so-called Arab Spring in one way or another, and in one place or another.
  
• There are probably also dangerous militants taking advantage of this entire situation to infiltrate and establish cells. It seems obvious that they would do this imho. Probably including ISIS/ISIL, but also likely including other groups and even lone wolves.
  

So if the question is, "Is there a danger?" I would say yes, absolutely. But the question is, "Is the EU immigration issue an ISIS Trojan horse." As such my opinion needs to be more nuanced than that.

The premise of a Trojan horse - at least to my understanding - is that the entire thing is orchestrated intentionally and primarily to deceive and gain ingress to a place otherwise not easily accessible. To me, that doesn't feel or look like what's happening. In my opinion (not assertion, as I'm not qualified to say with certainty of course,) there is a genuine humanitarian crisis unfolding, and it's simply the case that - as seems to be an obvious and inevitable tactic - some (how many we don't and can't know) are indeed exploiting it for the purposes of undocumented infiltration.

To me that's an important distinction. If the whole thing is a Trojan horse, then obviously the ethical impetus that exists (for some - not everyone agrees) to allow refugees into their territory is a non sequitur. If it's not however, and it's instead a question of who and how many are taking advantage of a real situation (which seems most probable in my opinion,) then it becomes much murkier ethically and you will have the broad range of differing opinions about what precisely the West and the rest of the world should do which we see now.

As always, just an opinion, not an assertion.

Peace.

originally posted by: AceWombat04
The premise of a Trojan horse - at least to my understanding - is that the entire thing is orchestrated intentionally and primarily to deceive and gain ingress to a place otherwise not easily accessible.

yes, but when ISIS say they will do this months ago, then it starts to happen, would that not man its been orchestrated,

reminds me of that scene in Lion King where king Mufasa dies, a few hyenas can create a massive tidal wave....

i guess time will tell, but how long will it be before were all glued to the news because of another terrorist attack by people who are currently currently hidden in the crowd

"Is the EU immigration issue an ISIS Trojan Horse??"

To me the answer that question is so self-evident as to make even asking it moot.

This is so obviously a torjan horse situation as to make any other assumption laughable.

But, most people seem to be so enthralled by their Telescreens and the talking heads on them that their minds are not clear enough to so much as ask the questions, let along think through the logical conclusions.

I think that the politicians all have different objectives and are all thinking that somehow they will be able to harness the resulting chaos to their own nefarious ends. Obviously the idea of something biting them on the ass is not clear in their minds. I predict that before long they'll all be saying, "What were we thinking?"

Of course there are ISIS plants among these unwashed masses. That's a given.

a reply to: Phatdamage

I agree and it will happen soon enough.. another terrorist attack that is..


Europe must close it's borders. It must also declare some form of Martial Law after another attack occurs..It must utilize military force to control and contain the threat; If it does not do these things;



I don't believe Europe deserves Middle Eastern terrrorists and paedophiles..

a reply to: Phatdamage

Is it a "Trojan Horse", in the sense that it was "manufactured" for the purpose of having ISIS enter Europe?

Maybe I wouldn't go that far ... but amongst these refugees you will find "thousands" of ISIS members, if not "tens of thousands".

What you need to keep in mind, is that a refugee who left everything behind ... doesn't have the money to pay "smuglers". This means, that "some" entity is paying the bill ... and I'd bet it's ISIS. It sure ain't coming from that refugee who had his house blown up, along with his life savings that were kept under his pillow.

Are we months, maybe weeks away from an ISIS action in Europe? No, we are probably years away from it ... but when it hits, I'll tell you ... Europe is dead. By the time it hits, all European infrastructure will be infiltrated.

Look at it this way, "Blonde", "Blue eyed" northern Europeans are the most HATED people on the face of this planet. They're even blamed for the "nazi stuff". A "handful" took part, and 90% of those who were in the war were "other" kind ... but it's all blamed on the Northern European, none the less. By every race, on the planet. All the "Arian" crap, is all lies ... literally. But then ... people love lies, that's whey they watch movies. It's so much more fun, than reality.

Nobody will miss us, when we die ... and our "blonde" idiot women, will be having to much fun to notice.

And "I", will be long long gone.

So, it's not my problem ... don't care :-)

If you want my "opinion", on how to solve the situation?

1. Bar the refugees, but make sure all their needs are provided for
   
2. Muster an army, send it to the middle east ... and behead ISIS
   
3. Rebuild the countries, Iraq, Lybia and Syria
   
4. Send the refugees back home, as "ambassadors" to take part in rebuilding it
   

But we've already "invided" some of these "ISIS" members into our countries, as someone pointed out here. We already had, people that had entered years ago, maybe even decades ago. That wen't down there to join ISIS, and have now returned. Who knows, how many "ISIS" have been in the bus loads, that have entered Europe these past months.

So, my guess is ... we're already too late.

in my thread
www.abovetopsecret.com...
the IS source said there were already thousands of these nutjob fighters in europe.

i don't expect anything major to happen in the next months.
IS terrorists will be on standby till the chaos gets worse and then they will hit hard.

the source in my thread tells about attacks on politicians.
imagine refugee crisis, clashes and demonstrations across europe and then a coordinated attack on the leaders of several EU countries maybe together with attacks on other crucial locations (nuclear power plants, big train stations, shopping malls, important landmarks).

after that comes a time of uncertainty (what to do now? who's in charge and who will protect the people if the present governments failed or are decimated?), fear (when and where will be the next attacks?) and decline of the already fragile markets that will lead to another economic crisis.

interesting times...

our mercifulness is our weakness

While it does seem like a humanitarian crisis being taken advantage of, the only damning evidence I see is the beeline refugee trail. It is going PAST a bunch of other countries, straight into the heart of Europe.

Maybe it's because of the image they all have of Germany but you would think refugees would be trying to go anywhere safe, near their home country, so they could return when the crisis is over. Maybe there is only rubble to return to, but either way it seems more like a migration to me.

It will soon be realised that this exodus is in fact a colonisation not a migration or emigration. The majority of these people are going to suffer some severe culture shock. The will withdraw into their own cultures, hang around with their own people and will not integrate. Ghettos will form where whites or non-muslims are not welcome. Crime rates will soar particularly crimes against women as the countries accept various cultures where women are treat like dirt and its ok to rape little boys.

This will not work and the West know it won't hence the need to use media propaganda and play on emotions. Isis and Islam extremsists will have a foothold in probably every damn country in the world except maybe Papua New Guinea! So it begs the question as to why it is being allowed in the first place? In all my years I have never seen such a massive apparently orchestrated movement of people since the 2nd WW

Not only will Isis cells be amongst them, there are the Romanian gangs, the Afghan drug gangs, the Albanian pimp gangs and the Kurdish gangs, all of whom will bring their poverty and "different" (backward) culture with them and refuse to integrate. Then the demands will start for own schools, signs in their language etc etc and then of course you will have the turf wars and gang in-fighting.

But hey at least it will bring down wages in Europe with this wonderful new vibrant cheap labour workforce

a reply to: Phatdamage

I believe that this mass migration of alleged refugees is absolutely orchestrated. However, it is not being orchestrated by ISIS (although they, and other muslim extremist groups including the less violent ones are certainly taking advantage of it).

I can not connect the dots, but it is very similar to the orchestrated alleged unaccompanied minor surges in the Western hemisphere the past two summers.

Like chess pieces being moved into place.

a reply to: eluryh22
The enemy isn't easy to identify if we use traditional demographics. It exists everywhere and I feel that without looking into the occult and folklores we will never really understand what is going on.

Evil is organised and it has been forever. It's been sat waiting to seize every opportunity to further its cause before all religions and nations were created. It watched the rise of media, politics and the education systems.

There is only one story: dark versus light - everything else is merely a sub-plot.

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
It will soon be realised that this exodus is in fact a colonisation not a migration or emigration. The majority of these people are going to suffer some severe culture shock. The will withdraw into their own cultures, hang around with their own people and will not integrate. Ghettos will form where whites or non-muslims are not welcome. Crime rates will soar particularly crimes against women as the countries accept various cultures where women are treat like dirt and its ok to rape little boys.

This will not work and the West know it won't hence the need to use media propaganda and play on emotions. Isis and Islam extremsists will have a foothold in probably every damn country in the world except maybe Papua New Guinea! So it begs the question as to why it is being allowed in the first place? In all my years I have never seen such a massive apparently orchestrated movement of people since the 2nd WW

Not only will Isis cells be amongst them, there are the Romanian gangs, the Afghan drug gangs, the Albanian pimp gangs and the Kurdish gangs, all of whom will bring their poverty and "different" (backward) culture with them and refuse to integrate. Then the demands will start for own schools, signs in their language etc etc and then of course you will have the turf wars and gang in-fighting.

But hey at least it will bring down wages in Europe with this wonderful new vibrant cheap labour workforce

It's a complex issue but at the bottom of it is a calculated design to destroy western civilization and Christianity in one fell swoop. Its also calculated to blur ethnic and nationalist lines and affiliations. Its an orchestrated cultural and national suicide designed of course to benefit the 1%.

Not to worry though about the crimes against women and children that are sure to follow. You'll never know about them unless you're directly affected because your newspapers and TV News outlets won't ever report on them.

Welcome to...............HELL!

So........ yea...

guess this was correct

if mere people can connect the dots, why didn't the security services

sad, sad times

i just wonder where will be attacked next, its only a matter of time

originally posted by: Phatdamage
guess this was correct

Sadly, it is. It's being reported that at least one of the killers was a "refugee" and entered via Greece, passing through Serbia on 7th October where he sought asylum. He clearly wasted no time.