U.S. Soldiers Told to Ignore Sexual Abuse of Boys by Afghan Allies

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: jhn7537

That is why this is a very important issue and congress should address it. It may an attributing factor for the increased suicides.

it's just now being talked about 'publicly' , congress has known about it for years child sex/rape has also made it onto cable news, what can we do about it when its not happening here where arrests and public attention can happen when discovered and reported by siblings neighbors teachers nurses etc. "our religion" here in U.S. does not allow it to happen
if veterans are suicidal they must seek treatment at V.A. good luck getting an appt. first

Was this not a problem in Iraq too? I mean US military has been in the region for decades now, how is this only now a new discovery? I'm think for instance.. Afghanistan, how long have US troops been on the ground for there?

originally posted by: Milah
Was this not a problem in Iraq too? I mean US military has been in the region for decades now, how is this only now a new discovery? I'm think for instance.. Afghanistan, how long have US troops been on the ground for there?

It is not new. The incident that is now being talked about happened, I believe in 2011, but there were reports that go back before 2009.

The military personnel dealing with this have been struggling with it for a very long time. I used to sing the praises of the VA, but it, like such much else in our country, has gone to hell in a hand-basket. There is no real help for our active duty and our Veterans. They both are being treated like criminals and the enemy. The VA has become a farce, with little true concern for the people it is supposed to serve.

It goes back to poor leaders and consequentially poor leadership. Unfortunately, it seems we only get angry about things when our masters stir the pot and push the time to react button. Not enough of us are independent thinkers and even fewer are actual doers.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: Milah
Was this not a problem in Iraq too? I mean US military has been in the region for decades now, how is this only now a new discovery? I'm think for instance.. Afghanistan, how long have US troops been on the ground for there?

It is not new. The incident that is now being talked about happened, I believe in 2011, but there were reports that go back before 2009.

The military personnel dealing with this have been struggling with it for a very long time. I used to sing the praises of the VA, but it, like such much else in our country, has gone to hell in a hand-basket. There is no real help for our active duty and our Veterans. They both are being treated like criminals and the enemy. The VA has become a farce, with little true concern for the people it is supposed to serve.

It goes back to poor leaders and consequentially poor leadership. Unfortunately, it seems we only get angry about things when our masters stir the pot and push the time to react button. Not enough of us are independent thinkers and even fewer are actual doers.

It's been happening for hundreds of years, and all over Asia... but of course, it was also common in Europe not that long ago:

n Europe, child prostitution flourished until the late 1800s; minors accounted for 50% of individuals involved in prostitution in Paris.[90] A scandal in 19th-century England caused the government there to raise the age of consent. In July 1885, William Thomas Stead, editor of the Pall Mall Gazette, published "The Maiden Tribute of Modern Babylon," four articles describing an extensive underground sex trafficking ring that reportedly sold children to adults. Stead's reports focused on a 13-year-old girl, Eliza Armstrong, who was sold for £5 (the equivalent of around £500 in 2012), then taken to a midwife to have her virginity verified. The age of consent was raised from 13 to 16 within a week of publication.[92] During this period, the term white slavery came to be used throughout Europe and the United States to describe prostituted children.

en.wikipedia.org...

Like in every other respect Afghanistan is 100 years behind the West...

originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: amicktd
a reply to: Shamrock6

Diddling other boys, growing or muling poppy to get money and get status so they can diddle other boys, doing something else to get status so they can diddle other boys, or using their government position to diddle other boys.

I certainly hope not.

Then you're ignoring the reality that is Afghanistan.
f you grew up in a country where this was the norm and you were told all your life that it was normal and you knew no different than it, I doubt it.

Unsure what you meant by that.

You know it's wrong to diddle boys and children, correct? How do you know that? Were you born thinking it? I doubt it. Which means you learned it as a value somewhere along the way.

Now remove whatever mechanism taught you it's wrong and replace it with a mechanism that tells you it's okay, and not only is it okay but it's EXPECTED. And there is zero outside influence to tell you it's wrong until some Americans show up 40 years into your life span. I doubt very seriously you would think it was any more wrong than any other Afghan does, because you wouldn't know any different.

Again, western thinking, eastern concept.

ETA - as for "hoping not:" since it's utterly common in the culture, I'm not sure why you'd even waste time "hoping" that they aren't doing it.

Honestly, I completely disagree with you. First off, I have morals as do most people, so no I wouldn't think it's ok to molest little boys because there isn't a law against it. Second, I also have a hard time believing just because someone said so that all Afghan men molest little boys. Plus, it's absolutely disgusting and any parent would agree.

So if you were born and raised in that culture you would still have western ideals and values, instead of the ideals and values of the culture you were raised in?

That makes complete sense.

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: amicktd
a reply to: Shamrock6

Diddling other boys, growing or muling poppy to get money and get status so they can diddle other boys, doing something else to get status so they can diddle other boys, or using their government position to diddle other boys.

I certainly hope not.

Then you're ignoring the reality that is Afghanistan.
f you grew up in a country where this was the norm and you were told all your life that it was normal and you knew no different than it, I doubt it.

Unsure what you meant by that.

You know it's wrong to diddle boys and children, correct? How do you know that? Were you born thinking it? I doubt it. Which means you learned it as a value somewhere along the way.

Now remove whatever mechanism taught you it's wrong and replace it with a mechanism that tells you it's okay, and not only is it okay but it's EXPECTED. And there is zero outside influence to tell you it's wrong until some Americans show up 40 years into your life span. I doubt very seriously you would think it was any more wrong than any other Afghan does, because you wouldn't know any different.

Again, western thinking, eastern concept.

ETA - as for "hoping not:" since it's utterly common in the culture, I'm not sure why you'd even waste time "hoping" that they aren't doing it.

Honestly, I completely disagree with you. First off, I have morals as do most people, so no I wouldn't think it's ok to molest little boys because there isn't a law against it. Second, I also have a hard time believing just because someone said so that all Afghan men molest little boys. Plus, it's absolutely disgusting and any parent would agree.

So if you were born and raised in that culture you would still have western ideals and values, instead of the ideals and values of the culture you were raised in?

That makes complete sense.

What part of being raised in America, American culture, makes it ok for Americans to gun down 3000 kids a year? Because Americans do that year in and year out.

And how do you explain the fact that Europeans and Americas DID engage in child Prostitution rampantly through the 1800s.

What happened? Why did one culture change and another didn't...?

Are we saying that Afghan culture is as crap as US culture in the 1800s?

originally posted by: blacktie

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: jhn7537

That is why this is a very important issue and congress should address it. It may an attributing factor for the increased suicides.

it's just now being talked about 'publicly' , congress has known about it for years child sex/rape has also made it onto cable news, what can we do about it when its not happening here where arrests and public attention can happen when discovered and reported by siblings neighbors teachers nurses etc. "our religion" here in U.S. does not allow it to happen
if veterans are suicidal they must seek treatment at V.A. good luck getting an appt. first

Exactly, now that the information is now being shared in the MSM, there's more details are out to those who didn't know otherwise.

Wonder if presidential contenders going to address this now. Likely too much to ask, probably be ignored if they did so anyway, but hey there's bigger issues to fry right-such as partisan bickering?

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: amicktd
a reply to: Shamrock6

Diddling other boys, growing or muling poppy to get money and get status so they can diddle other boys, doing something else to get status so they can diddle other boys, or using their government position to diddle other boys.

I certainly hope not.

Then you're ignoring the reality that is Afghanistan.
f you grew up in a country where this was the norm and you were told all your life that it was normal and you knew no different than it, I doubt it.

Unsure what you meant by that.

You know it's wrong to diddle boys and children, correct? How do you know that? Were you born thinking it? I doubt it. Which means you learned it as a value somewhere along the way.

Now remove whatever mechanism taught you it's wrong and replace it with a mechanism that tells you it's okay, and not only is it okay but it's EXPECTED. And there is zero outside influence to tell you it's wrong until some Americans show up 40 years into your life span. I doubt very seriously you would think it was any more wrong than any other Afghan does, because you wouldn't know any different.

Again, western thinking, eastern concept.

ETA - as for "hoping not:" since it's utterly common in the culture, I'm not sure why you'd even waste time "hoping" that they aren't doing it.

Honestly, I completely disagree with you. First off, I have morals as do most people, so no I wouldn't think it's ok to molest little boys because there isn't a law against it. Second, I also have a hard time believing just because someone said so that all Afghan men molest little boys. Plus, it's absolutely disgusting and any parent would agree.

So if you were born and raised in that culture you would still have western ideals and values, instead of the ideals and values of the culture you were raised in?

That makes complete sense.

No its just common sense that you don't harm children. You should use it sometime, its great!

a reply to: dreamingawake

What is sexual abuse when it's obvious a cultural norm to them?

I've been hearing about this for years from my Special Forces buddies that went into Afghanistan in the beginning. The saying was - "women are for procreation, men/boys are for recreation."

I'm not saying anyone needs to like it. We as a society have some waking up to do though. You act like it doesn't go on here in the USA and you damn sure know it does. If anything the people benefiting from human trafficking are the rich and owners of this world. You really want to see changes? ...your fight isn't with the Afghan culture.

I also find that those that scream the loudest about anything (gay, pedo, etc.) are often the ones that desire it most. It's easy to see the examples with Republican and conservative anti-gay activists who have been caught with men. Those that are the loudest to condemn something are the ones who desire it most.

I am the loudest at condemning ignorance and stupidity... so I guess I desire it most.

Is there some reason why these Afghan men can't just please themselves with their own hand?

a reply to: CynConcepts

Apparently that would be a sin.

a reply to: WCmutant

What an odd thing to say, to make child abuse in first world countries a comparison.

In case you haven't noticed, people in the U.S. who are guilty of such things GO TO PRISON.

Therein lies the difference. Thought someone should point it out to you.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: WCmutant

We really need to stop being disgusted by everything and start learning. Otherwise we are doomed. I'm not saying you have to be okay with what's happening in Afghanistan or allow it here. But Americans are increasingly close-minded, egotistical, and easily offended that it is a recipe for disaster.

I am always open to learning, especially about things of which I have no prior knowledge. I have on occasion learned of things that were difficult for me to understand and things that have created an unpleasant visceral response for me. I don't allow those unfortunate experiences to hinder my search for information and knowledge. I say all of this to preface my few questions.

What is it that you feel that we as American have not learned and we need to learn? I agree that some things we find disgusting are difficult for many to acknowledge, let alone seek information about. But, what particularly disgusting things are you referring to?

I felt compelled to respond to your post, but I realized that my original response was based on things I thought you said, but the actual words were not there. So as not to make the mistake of responding to what I think you meant, I had to ask a few questions first, to remain true to what you are saying.

The answer is much deeper than this specific story. It goes to the heart of everything and it encapsulates true freedom, not the fake freedom that fake Americans parrot in robotically programmed fashion.

First of all you have to understand the fact that we (average citizens) are being manipulated at every step. Our religious, social, and economic belief constructs are being used to force ideas and opinions into our minds. We are often being told what we should think, feel, and how we should react.

You may disagree, but that's the truth. If you step away from it all you will get that. News stories (like this one) are there to elicit a reaction (often visceral) and make you support the decisions of the TPTB.

When you learn to stop reacting to everything and instead question everything you can see the agendas. If you are dug into the system like a tick it might be hard for you.

Some of you have unplugged from some of these constructs but not others. You may no longer believe the economic construct but still may be fully or partially plugged into the social and religious constructs. For many, the religious construct is going to be the hardest to unplug from.

Once you unplug from these constructs you begin to see how easily people are manipulated into supporting heinous things that turn out to be nothing more than a push for resource ownership and profit for a very small percentage of people in the country/world.

I've said it before, and I will say it again - we are in the Matrix but it's not as cool as the movie.

What I see is so much hate.
1. demonization of the average citizen criminals and prisoners
2. demonization of race/religion - black, Hispanic, and Muslim or Middle Eastern
3. demonization of sexual orientation
4. demonization of countries - China, Russia, N. Korea, Iran, etc.
5. there is more, not going to list it all

Who benefits from having so many demons? Not the average citizen. The average citizen seems to ride on the bandwagons of hate and knee jerk reactions. They are trumpeting the hate that flows from the top through the news media.

When I say unplug I don't mean "stop watching," what I mean is realize everything being pushed through the system has an agenda. When you stop reacting to ALL of this stuff they no longer have power over you and you can start making logical, compassionate decisions. You will also start seeing who the real enemies are instead of believing what you are told.

I could go on, but I attempted to keep this as short as possible.

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: WCmutant

What an odd thing to say, to make child abuse in first world countries a comparison.

In case you haven't noticed, people in the U.S. who are guilty of such things GO TO PRISON.

Therein lies the difference. Thought someone should point it out to you.

I'm sorry but you need to unplug and wake up.

DuPont spared prison

Here's the ATS link if you'd prefer to read it:
ATS Link

I just shot down your argument, what do you want to say next?

originally posted by: CynConcepts
Is there some reason why these Afghan men can't just please themselves with their own hand?

The same could be asked of the numerous Westerners that paid for child prostitutes up until it went out of vogue in the late 1800s... of course there's still plenty of child prostitution in the West... ask the Catholic church...

a reply to: WCmutant

I saw that. Unbelievable. The Judge should be on trial.

Do you now want to post stats on how many people in the U.S. are in prison charged with child sexual assaults, and child pornography, or you want to stay in your "Afghanistan men aren't doing anything wrong and we are no better than they are" box of absurdities?

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: TheLaughingGod

Liberal apologists making the World a better place one cowardly act at a time.

What in the name of decency do "liberal apologists" have to do with this? Show me one civilized human being who thinks this is okay.

You are aware we have a liberal administration and this is that administration's policy?

a reply to: WCmutant

The answer is much deeper than this specific story. It goes to the heart of everything and it encapsulates true freedom, not the fake freedom that fake Americans parrot in robotically programmed fashion.

So the Nazi's were expressing their "true freedom" in WWII. Gotcha.

This is downright creepy.

What about the "true freedom" of the child victim who is screaming in pain, and begging not to be harmed? Does "True Freedom" only belongs to perverted males?

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: WCmutant

I saw that. Unbelievable. The Judge should be on trial.

Do you now want to post stats on how many people in the U.S. are in prison charged with child sexual assaults, and child pornography, or you want to stay in your "Afghanistan men aren't doing anything wrong and we are no better than they are" box of absurdities?

It's cute how plugged into the system you are. I already proved your argument false and you are still trying. The people that are in jail are fodder for the system. The demand for such things will never go away as long as you have people (with money/power) that can fund human trafficking.

Box of absurdities? ...I think the saying goes something like - "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

I am unplugged and recognize the vast corruption of the American system on all levels. Until I fix my own house I have no intention of spending any amount of mental energy on a story in Afghanistan. But see, that's what being plugged into the system gets you - smoke and mirrors, easily distracted like a.... SQUIRREL!!!!

Right now you and many people like you are desperately trying to keep the fantasy alive. You need to believe the system works. And guess what? Your overlords need you to believe the system works too. But I just proved it doesn't work, that what you said was a lie and the only thing you have is more dribble to support a failing, corrupt system.

Please unplug so we can have a real conversation.

a reply to: TheBulk

You are aware we have a liberal administration and this is that administration's policy?

It is the administration's policy to permit child rape and sexual assault? Do you mind if I ask what country you live in?
Would you like for me to look up the criminal code, for you, for child abuse, since you seem to be completing lacking in any education whatsoever?