Atoms and The Unknown

a reply to: John333

OK, let us stay with the circle, then.

What will happen when you use a slightly largert or slightly smaller plate?
What will happen when you use a plate made of copper, one of steel, one of glass, one of porcelain, one of bronze?

In each of these cases either the One Frequency will give a different pattern, if even a pattern at all, or for a given pattern to emerge, the Frequency has to be slightly different.

What will happen if you clamp your plate from the edge instead of the centre? A different pattern will emerge.

If some One Frequency is responsible for One True Phenomenon, should these differences due to circumstances happen? Obviously in our universe One True Frequency cannot manifest; but in a Higher Sphere of Existence Everything is True.

@OP

A picture says a 1000 words:





@ the professional physicists in here: The OP asked if there may be other particles in the atom that haven't been discovered - is that possible?

The jpg below shows particles that apparently split into other particles. If the atom has quarks, why not all the other particles?

originally posted by: Pirvonen
a reply to: John333

OK, let us stay with the circle, then.

What will happen when you use a slightly largert or slightly smaller plate?
What will happen when you use a plate made of copper, one of steel, one of glass, one of porcelain, one of bronze?

In each of these cases either the One Frequency will give a different pattern, if even a pattern at all, or for a given pattern to emerge, the Frequency has to be slightly different.

What will happen if you clamp your plate from the edge instead of the centre? A different pattern will emerge.

If some One Frequency is responsible for One True Phenomenon, should these differences due to circumstances happen? Obviously in our universe One True Frequency cannot manifest; but in a Higher Sphere of Existence Everything is True.

Gave you a star your right you also forgot the thickness of the plate. All sound does is cause the plate to vibrate.. It's not magic there are no cosmic enlightment to be gained. The pattern is determined by composition shape density and even location.

When talking about light or even matter the only effect sound can ever have is dependent on the material around it. Shine photons through water blast a frequency into the water you effect the there path. In space this can't occur because there is nothing to transfer the vibrations. This is psuedo science playing with harmonic resonance.
hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...

originally posted by: Phantom423
@OP

A picture says a 1000 words:
If the atom has quarks, why not all the other particles?

Your picture is showing you that BARYONS have quarks. Not atoms.

Leptons are believed to be elementary. So protons and neutrons have quarks.

Electrons do not.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: Phantom423
@OP

A picture says a 1000 words:
If the atom has quarks, why not all the other particles?

Your picture is showing you that BARYONS have quarks. Not atoms.

Leptons are believed to be elementary. So protons and neutrons have quarks.

Electrons do not.

I'm not a particle physicist, but I thought quarks were elementary particles and part of matter.

A quark (/ˈkwɔrk/ or /ˈkwɑrk/) is an elementary particle and a fundamental constituent of matter. Quarks combine to form composite particles called hadrons, the most stable of which are protons and neutrons, the components of atomic nuclei.

So my questions was (or the OP's question was), is there a possibility that there are undiscovered particles?

Edit: Wait, disregard - I just realized where I made the mistake. Thanks

originally posted by: Pirvonen
a reply to: John333

OK, let us stay with the circle, then.

What will happen when you use a slightly largert or slightly smaller plate?
What will happen when you use a plate made of copper, one of steel, one of glass, one of porcelain, one of bronze?

In each of these cases either the One Frequency will give a different pattern, if even a pattern at all, or for a given pattern to emerge, the Frequency has to be slightly different.

What will happen if you clamp your plate from the edge instead of the centre? A different pattern will emerge.

If some One Frequency is responsible for One True Phenomenon, should these differences due to circumstances happen? Obviously in our universe One True Frequency cannot manifest; but in a Higher Sphere of Existence Everything is True.

ill answer the other questions later. im really busy these days.

the plate material doesnt matter really. all we want is a one that allows the sound waves to be transmitted and travel through it's medium as clearly as possible. even a piece of cardboard is fine. though some mediums will provide greater clarity.

and well tbh. i dont think the shape of the plate will cause that much distortion of the image produced by the sound wave. for all intensive purposes. the image will appear the same, whether it were square circle or polygon. because the major driver of the wave shape is the sound generated and the shape and power of the speaker.

at the end of the day though. the plate is only a prototype lab experiment. its useful for theoretical pursuit and the sharpening of the actual experiment. which does not require a solid medium at all. but uses the full 3-d effect of the wave on matter. to do this we would be using a standing wave in an 'acoustic levitron'. making the plate in this case, a wave field of it's own. leaving very little room for distortion. there is also a frequency that can flatten matter, like a water molecule with current power usage. this can be flattened in an acoustic levitron to return to 2-d representations. but this really is all meant to be understood and viewed through 3-d. since in reality, and as observed in nature, we're dealing with spirals and spheres. not circles and squares.

bottom line. we take the image the wave produces via the most undistorting medium. that is the true shape. all else are simply distortion of the shape due to the medium's interference. nothing to be stumped about.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: John333
Well that idea isn't totally crazy yes we know of an effect called Sonoluminescence.Basically Sonoluminescence you suspend a Bible of noble gasses like at on in a liquid the vibrations of the liquid disrupts the electrons in the Bible creating flashes of light. Two problems here you didn't think all the way through involving the sun. . On the sun you said sound causes the gasses to move creating pressure in the gasses creating 'em radiation. But if frequencies cause the movement of the plasma what's causing the frequencies in the first place. Much like our Bible suspended in liquid it would require some sort of plasma or liquid outside the sun to transfer out frequency. There is nothing there that can transfer any motion to the sun. Second you would never get any x rays or gamma in fact you would be limited to a very narrow band of the spectrum. And any outside force on the sun would be enough to stop planet formations as it drove everything into the sun. Be like trying to fight your way out of a whirl pool.

movement is force. which i, the original luke skywalker and specially qualified to advise on. force of motion generated by bodies like the sun and earth are caused by field displacement. it's all the same thing. u see, the wave, is always moving. constantly in motion. with individual currents within it.. just like an ocean. formless and limitless through all the reaches of space. the base wave has to exist FIRST before anything considered part of this universe can be acknowledge. the base wave is 0. without that first 0.. u got absolutely nothing!

so motion exist as a pre-programmed value of the base wave.. "dark energy"

directing that wave can only be accomplished by one thing. frequency. and directing that frequency(s) can only be done by one naturally occurring thing in our universe. thought.which when u look close enough, doesnt really exist within the confines of our universe. thought, is allowed to break every rule conceived.