Behind the scenes with Bernie Sanders:

originally posted by: mOjOm

If he wins it will be because the majority voted for him. That's the only way he's going to win because so many rich people and yes, even the establishment is against him. Unless you want to show me where the Dem. establishment is backing him now. Because they've been backing Hillary so far that's clear. That also may be why they're throwing Biden in. If Hillary has trouble they'll have another establishment guy to go for.

Biden will split Hillary's votes to Hillary's detriment. But if he was the alternative Establishment choice, he would be campaigning right now, not allowing Bernie to gather and solidify his support.

So I don't think it's clear they are backing Hillary or Joe. That's my take, agree to disagree.

If Bernie wins it will be through election manipulation using Hillary's email scandal and Joe Biden to divide the moderate democrat vote. Again that's my take and we can agree to disagree.

originally posted by: mOjOm
Trump also corrected the Loyalty Pledge thing after they complained about it. Although that still doesn't bind him to follow it if he doesn't want to. It's not legally binding or anything.

Trump did NOT correct his loyalty pledge.

I wrote a blog post detailing his shenanigans with the pledge and you can read that explanation here if you are interested.

I believe he plans to break from republicans at some point.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: InnerPeace2012

It doesn't make any sense at all to pick on Sanders when the others are the same in your views anyways.

The reason people pick on Sander's is because of all of his delusional followers that think he is somehow better than the rest of the candidates. He's not.

Yea, I see you say that in about every Bernie Sanders thread. The problem is that you never bring anything other than your opinion. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.

keep these kinds of threads happening and you may create more Sanders supporters.
I know they make me more curious about this guy.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: muse7

Anti monopoly ?

Hello ?

Universal health care is a MONOPOLY.

But it will be run by the government and not for profit like if it were run by a company. So technically it wouldn't be a monopoly.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: muse7

Anti monopoly ?

Hello ?

Universal health care is a MONOPOLY.

But it will be run by the government and not for profit like if it were run by a company. So technically it wouldn't be a monopoly.

Technically we don't even need to argue for Bernie. Everything negative about Bernie that I have seen has been taken out of context, are their opinions, or just flat out lies.

I've never voted. I hate partisan politics. The one thing I have always said is corporate money in politics is the problem with this country. How are the lower and middle classes suppose to make a comeback with the richest in the world making the laws?

Bernie is the first candidate with potential and currently he has my very first vote.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

Biden will split Hillary's votes to Hillary's detriment. But if he was the alternative Establishment choice, he would be campaigning right now, not allowing Bernie to gather and solidify his support.

So I don't think it's clear they are backing Hillary or Joe. That's my take, agree to disagree.

If Bernie wins it will be through election manipulation using Hillary's email scandal and Joe Biden to divide the moderate democrat vote. Again that's my take and we can agree to disagree.

This article from Red State sums it up the way I see it too.

Democratic Establishment is Starting to Look at Joe Biden for 2016

Even if he does jump in the race, Joe Biden will still face still competition from Hillary. Both of them will draw from the same base of support–the establishment types–in the party, as Bernie Sanders seems to have most of the Leftist true believers locked down. Biden probably won’t beat Hillary, but he is, despite his persona, a canny enough political operator to present a credible threat, especially now that he has “Vice President” on his resume. For the Democratic establishment, he’s there mostly as an insurance policy, a back-up in case Hillary goes down in flames, to protect them from having to deal with Sanders as a nominee.

Guess we just have to wait and see.

Trump did NOT correct his loyalty pledge.

I thought I had read somewhere that he fixed it that day. Maybe I'm confused. Oh well, it doesn't matter anyway being that it doesn't legally bind him to anything so if he wants to switch he can at anytime.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Stating that Bernie, " is the Establishment's Choice." is amazingly delusional.
You must be funny to watch after you wipe butt to clean your glasses.

a reply to: mOjOm

I read that, in the last month, Joe has pulled away 12+ points from Hillary and Bernie has gained 12 -- and he hasn't even announced a run yet. Bernie is benefitting from Joe already. And honestly, I don't have much regard for partisan political analysis so I believe Red State is wrong. Besides, I have more objectivity.

originally posted by: largo
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Stating that Bernie, " is the Establishment's Choice." is amazingly delusional.
You must be funny to watch after you wipe butt to clean your glasses.

Oh no...someone is sad that I think Bernie is the Establishment's choice. There are better ways of dealing with differing opinions than reverting to an angry 6th grade child.

Bernie has a plan to grow government with a lot of money. That is reason enough, to believe the Establishment has chosen him. And yet I gave you more reason than that. That's my reasoned opinion.

Deal with it.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Read this and you might understand why you are wrong.

Not one endorsement from an elected Democrat and even the opposite... they're saying he's unelectable. The establishment wants Hillary.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Read this and you might understand why you are wrong.

Not one endorsement from an elected Democrat and even the opposite... they're saying he's unelectable. The establishment wants Hillary.

Not all of them, maybe you didn't finish reading your article you linked. Check it:

Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.), a 2016 Senate candidate who has not endorsed a primary contender, characterized Sanders as one of Congress's most effective legislators, saying all claims that he's unelectable are "politically motivated attacks" designed to undermine his bid.

"Bernie has the appeal of being able to demonstrate to people that he can get good things done. He is not some kind of liberal stick figure; he's someone who has a record of actual accomplishment," Grayson said. "If Bernie's the nominee, then Bernie very likely will be the next president of the United States."

Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.) echoed that message, warning that Democrats, by doubting Sanders' viability as a candidate, risk undermining the party's agenda.

"The expectation that he will fade, I think, is not true because the agenda he's putting forward, instead of tamping down momentum, it's increasing momentum. … He's ignited the base in a way that we haven't been able to do for six years," said Grijalva, the head of the Progressive Caucus who has not yet endorsed in the primary. "So I would be very careful to marginalize the man. Because in a sense then you're marginalizing the message."

a reply to: Kali74

Believe me, I am aware of how Bernie is being sold as a grassroots underdog. And I am aware of how Hillary is being sold as the Establishment's choice.

So much so, that FIVE unnamed people from both the Trump campaign and close to Bill Clinton amazingly all approached the Washington Post at the same time to 'plant' the story that they were witnesses to a lengthy phone call between Bill Clinton and Donald Trump discussing a possible run by Trump as a republican candidate.

But I don't believe that story was not 100% fully sanctioned by both the Clinton and Trump campaigns and all five people coincidentally decided to approach the Washington Post at the same time.

The story was planted to encourage the belief that Hillary is the Establishment's candidate and would do anything to win -- so I think the story was intended to obfuscate the fact that Hillary is not the Establishment's candidate and because Trump intends to split the conservative vote anyway and throw the election to democrats -- who cares about any damage the story did to Trump supporters...which was essentially none.

Washington Post: Bill Clinton & Donald Trump

Former president Bill Clinton had a private telephone conversation in late spring with Donald Trump at the same time that the billionaire investor and reality-television star was nearing a decision to run for the White House, according to associates of both men.

Four Trump allies and one Clinton associate familiar with the exchange said that Clinton encouraged Trump’s efforts to play a larger role in the Republican Party and offered his own views of the political landscape.

This is MY PERSPECTIVE. Don't worry I won't be bothering with voting so I won't be voting against Bernie. But I am entitled to my perspective and opinion.

That's not to say I am pointing my fingers at Bernie supporters as if they are all stupid, awful fools. On the contrary, I have heard nothing but good intentions in the debate FOR Bernie.

My experience with the U.S. political system is just different and I have come to the conclusion that there is ONE Establishment -- not two (democrat & republican) -- and that the signs point to a Bernie Sanders victory with the help of Hillary, Joe, and Donald Trump.

originally posted by: spacedoubt
keep these kinds of threads happening and you may create more Sanders supporters.
I know they make me more curious about this guy.

Whats to be curious about ?

"No matter how well you think of Bernie — and all of us do — … when the politics of it all hits the road, I don't feel — and I feel most members don't feel — that he can be elected," said Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-Fla.).

Indeed, Sanders' career-long advocacy for economic and social justice — a vision of wider safety nets, higher wages, universal healthcare and corporate policing — overlaps almost directly with the policy priorities of Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and her liberal-leaning Democratic Caucus on Capitol Hill.

Democrats’ Main Concern With Sanders: He’s Unelectable

But Sanders is 'different' than Democrats!

a reply to: neo96

You point out exactly why Democrats are indeed failures and why they continue to lose. When it comes down to it they are a bunch of spineless pansies that don't know what the hell they stand for.

They admit Bernie's agenda is their agenda. Yet they won't back him and say he's unelectable. Well, that tells me that they are either lying and really have a different agenda or they're cowards. Because if someone is fighting for what you believe to be right and you still don't back them what good are you???

For them to say I support everything Bernie is saying and doing but I'm backing Hillary is just nonsense. You don't go out to eat thinking "I want a burger, I'm here for a burger and a burger is what I've been looking for, so I'll take the salad."

Democrats, take some advice. Grow some balls and fight for what you believe in or get the F*ck out of the way and let someone with some integrity take over. If you can't support what you believe to be right, then you're supporting what's wrong and you're going to lose because you're losers.

a reply to: mOjOm

Oh now they know exactly what they stand for.

They are closet socialist's, at least Bernies out of the closet.

a reply to: neo96

I don't think they do know what they stand for. Bernie obviously does. Which is why he wears it proudly. Right or wrong it's what he believes and he's standing by his choice.

The rest of them who can't figure out what the hell they want or how to achieve it are wasting everyone time and money. Either they figure out what it is they really stand for or they'll continue to lose because they don't know what to fight for or why they're fighting for it.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: neo96

There is no way that the candidate who wants to give our corrupt Congress -- with ZERO oversight -- the most money to spend is NOT the Establishment's choice.

No. Way.

Bernie is their 18 trillion dollar man.

Just think of the increased monies politicians will be getting from lobbyists if Sanders gets in.

That is how lobbyist's got started.

The more power government takes. The more money that changes hands.

Yea if sanders gets money out of politics, as is his stated and demonstrated aim, there will be more money in politics than ever! Wait wut?