Ben Carson: No Muslims as President

a reply to: burdman30ott6

:-)

Well then - I'm guessing you agree with Carson - and believe a Muslim should never be president?

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Christosterone

Tell me why Jefferson had an unedited personal copy of the Quran...

Also explain to me why Muhammad (pbuh) was given a placard and wall carving with the header "one of histories finest Law givers" at the Supreme Court...



Allah's Akbar, indeed.

Such disgust and hatred towards Christianity Charlie, yet you most likely want people to respect you for your beliefs?

And we wonder why the world burns while we point fingers......

I don't know about Charlie, but I do have disgust and hatred towards Christians, and I was raised in the Church. Go ahead and support all of the pedophile preists and ass hats like Josh Duggar.

originally posted by: Christosterone
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Schools teach how one goes about researching...personally I stick to non-fiction...mainly biographies, etc...
People arguing that the founding fathers of the United States were not devout followers of the judeo-Christian ethos must have learned this somewhere as historical data is 100% monolithic as regard to their religious predispositions...
So I assume that historical facts must have been ignored by someone in an authoritative position(professor(s) perhaps) since literary evidence and letters authored by the founders themselves prove my point without exception...

I put this to you...find me one founder who was not raised in the Christian church and whose life was not governed by judeo Christian sensibilities and it will be the first I know of...

Thanks in advance..

-Christosterone

You are the one making the claims, how about you supply some references. Apparently you are an intelligent individual and realize the first one to supply sources, the sources will be attacked

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: burdman30ott6

:-)

Well then - I'm guessing you agree with Carson - and believe a Muslim should never be president?

At this time I wouldn't advocate for it. The timing is completely wrong.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Other than that? The timing?
No problem?

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: neo96

We don't care if a candidate is Christian or whatever else as long as they respect the separation of Church and State. You guys are so worried about Muslims doing it... while your own kind enact Christian "Sharia" law.

Breathe Neo.

Truth be told what concerns me more are those who worship at the alter of statolatry and deify the state.

Like the current guy in the oval office, and others with names like Sanders, and CLinton.

Let's be really honest and add the names, Bush, Paul, Santorum, Cruz, Rubio, Fiorinna, Trump, etc, etc, hell the republican clown car is so full I can't remember all the names.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Other than that? The timing?
No problem?

I don't know, honestly. We've spent most of my life essentially at war with hard line Islamic enemies. Let's get a few decades when America's primary enemies aren't associated with Islam, and then ask the question.

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: seeker1963

Tell me where the hate was, friend...


Exposing witch burnings currently underway by Christian radicals in Brazil is not hatred, it's enlightenment...
Talking about mass beheadings by Christian cartels in Mexico is not hatred, it's denying ignorance...


You may have missed the word radical in the tangent I had...
You won't be afforded the benefit of the doubt twice though buddy.


You know from our U2Us we are very similar and you've never heard any hate from me towards Christians or anyone else.

Except the deceptive lot that lead us, perhaps.

Deny your viciousness towards Christianity in other threads Charlie. I have not once judged you for your belief in the Quran, but respected you for it because of getting to know you as a human being.

I am not seeing you show the same respect I have shown you with your beliefs as I see you judge Christians. YET? I don't believe in any GOD!

I just believe in the freedom of religion. A death by a thousand cuts is just the same as a death by a bullet, and I am sick and tired of others who deem their beliefs more important than others when it comes down to the Constitution. Grant you, your not a citizen that has enjoyed the freedoms of my country, but this is where I am coming from when I see those in my own country attack Christians for their beliefs and sit silently not saying a word about those of the Muslim faith.

If a fairy in the sky does not exist, then why is it such a threat to those who do not believe in it's existence?

In this, as in other threads, I have seen you give quarter to the Christians in your audience. I too believe in a higher power, that for me has no identity at this point. While you place yourself solidly in atheistic camp, you are much more willing to give quarter to Christians than you are Muslims.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I spent my life "at war" with commies. They were going to make me disappear in a nuclear flash. I was "this close" to being made to fight them in southeast Asia for no apparent reason.

Are extremists dangerous? Of course they are. Is painting everyone of any particular "persuasion" with the same brush a productive exercise. No. Or was Joseph Mcarthy right, after all?

Islam is not the enemy.

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Kali74

Ben Carson, hit the headlines on Sunday after he told NBC TV that Muslims were unfit to be president.

He might be on to something. Look how it turned out with Obama.

. I don't think a Muslim should lead a country with a Judeo-Christian Majority.!

Well having a Christian run it certaintly hasn't been working out for the masses. Personally I would be willing to try an agnostic president.

However this Muslim fear mongering by focusing on the extremist is bs. I like Carson and this is another reason to separate church from state. Regardless if the president is Muslim satanic or even Jewish congress has to be on board.

This is another bs question by the media to take focus from the real issue which has nothing to do with religion.

Stop with the gossip and look at the money

a reply to: Phage

Would you advocate a communist POTUS? I'm not saying I don't believe Muslims are good people, or have no business being Americans, or should have any less rights than any other American... I'm saying I WOULD NOT BE HAPPY TO SEE ONE AS PRESIDENT. Not really sure why this is any different than the atheists saying they don't want another religious president or an African American saying they wouldn't want to see another old white man in the office.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Phage

Would you advocate a communist POTUS? I'm not saying I don't believe Muslims are good people, or have no business being Americans, or should have any less rights than any other American... I'm saying I WOULD NOT BE HAPPY TO SEE ONE AS PRESIDENT. Not really sure why this is any different than the atheists saying they don't want another religious president or an African American saying they wouldn't want to see another old white man in the office.

I would support anyone that was legal to hold the office to hold it. I might not agree with them, but probably not going to accuse them of being a different religion, or being born in a different country. At this point, I would support a Socialist being POTUS, probably puts me on the old white guy feces list, and I am an old white guy.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Would you advocate a communist POTUS?

No. Communist doctrine is not compatible with our government so such a President could not be effective.

I'm saying I WOULD NOT BE HAPPY TO SEE ONE AS PRESIDENT.

I know. You've made that clear. Not so clear is the "why" part though. Except you fought them. Funny though, I didn't know you were fighting Islam.

Not really sure why this is any different than the atheists saying they don't want another religious president or an African American saying they wouldn't want to see another old white man in the office.

What atheists would that be? I'm an atheist. I have no problem with a religious President (you know that Islam is a religion, right?)

But I get your point. Who the hell gives a damn what Carson thinks? He was never very high on my list. He, like any politician, rides the tide. Convictions? Ha. Basing his judgement on the religion of a hypothetical candidate? Wonderful.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: burdman30ott6

I spent my life "at war" with commies. They were going to make me disappear in a nuclear flash. I was "this close" to being made to fight them in southeast Asia for no apparent reason.

Are extremists dangerous? Of course they are. Is painting everyone of any particular "persuasion" with the same brush a productive exercise. No. Or was Joseph Mcarthy right, after all?

Islam is not the enemy.

Bravo !

I'm not going to litigate this issue. All the relevant points have been made.

But I think it's unlikely that the Carson campaign survives this.

So far the campaign's attempt to walk the statement back have been ineffective.

Just curious. Does this mean Ben just put the "Obama the Muslim" thing to rest?

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: Christosterone

Jesus people...our republic was founded upon the judeo Christian ethos....that is unarguable....but that fact is not even relevant....just thought I would give y'all a bit of historical context...

How many times does it have to be pointed out by using quotes of the Founders of this nation that this is simply not true?

If you get a chance read a book or two about the founders...I would suggest any biographies and you will gain insight into their belief systems.

I suggest you go back and read those books again. Yes some of the Founders were religious but they weren't stupid enough to mix religion with politics. Religion belongs in ones home and place of worship and that's it.

What a total crock of shizit. The founders in this country didn't just include a little group of dudes wearing white wigs. The whole country of first states and the territories all were in on the hows and the whys, and if it wasn't for the fact that most were decent minded Christians who were honest about themselves and what they believed guided their actions.

If not for those original Christian people who didn't act unless it passed their societal litmus test which was based on the Christian values of fairness, justice with compassion, honesty, generosity, kindness, etc.

Not the barren and cold anti Christian BS we see now when the haters of Christianity attempt to destroy everything that is good, and remove it from government, only because they link all those virtues with the religion they hate so much.

Like the BLM and Harry the Hog Reid who attempted to defraud that rancher and used the power of the media and all the groupies to help him totally destroy someone entire life, just so his brother or in -law could grab that land and use it for an easy motherfeffing profit, while hatred and destruction would have rained down on a rancher if not for public outcry, cattle seized, life savings destroyed. And all done by the bearing of false witness which so many ATS'ers eagerly joined up on. Is that because of separation of C and S? No, but it is the result of destroying all Christian values, which by the way are not ONLY Christian values, but Christianity goes by them since they are also GOOD, not Evil.

This is what the left and some on the right are trying to do, but just labeling it all with the innocent and sensible sounding "separation of church and state."

And where the F are we right now because of this? Left alone without being shown compassion, justice is a dish best served cold now, just like revenge. Guilty! until you prove you are innocent.

Government people who now are mostly non Christian or with the media giving them the loudest voice now actively look for ways to deny the most needy and deserving people from receiving benefits all across the board, but give them unquestioningly to illegal people including felons because their boss commands them to for the vote empowerment which brings more entrenched buddy system and guaranteed unlimited and lucrative income streams. Just look at Hillary.

Everything government does today does not include even the basic and understood virtues that the Christian religion has tried to burn into peoples heads as helpful to their future. When you don't acquire and use those good virtues like HONESTY, caring for others genuinely, not faked just to exploit someone later like the NSA and CIA and Godless FBI operate today, and all those other things that keep marriages together, keep people united with love for others. Or easier put, the opposite of how our own government is treating citizens today..

The separation of Church and State has nothing to do with how they are actually implementing the destruction of Christian values altogether.

Get this through that Politically correct thick skull of yours and stop being led around like a well fed pony that your leaders are contemptuous of anyway, of those who follow them and will kill the pony when it is no longer helping them deceive the masses. When you stay deceived like this, the only person you are really helping is yourself, right out of a good future.

And that future has already arrived. Godless, morally bankrupt, crime ridden and crime ridden government who are breaking their butts to keep all that is good away from government because they love their Godless and hateful ways better. (it makes faster and larger gains with the devil inside.) But then later, when accounts are found to be way past overdrawn, who must pay? (philosophically speaking)

Everyone believes that some or all things they do will not be accounted for or forgotten even ALL Christians will have done this. It is human nature to take risks, even risks that go against the best advice to not do it. But accountability does happen in every case at some point. And we can all see it happening, and today it mostly happens to the wrong people.

a reply to: Phage

Obviously the timing, but would you wish to have someone advocate sharia law for you without your consent? I suspect many will see the sharia bit as a major problem. Its been creeping into the UK in areas strongly muslim and its slowly starting to influence people's lives.

Islam is not just a religion its the whole package how would you ensure it would be possible to separate out the role of President from the rest of its trappings? Its something that needs discussion. I have found in the UK a lot of people although brought up Muslim and consider themselves that do not live that way of life here. but they are coming under pressure especially from the Saudi influenced group that seems to be gaining control here.

a reply to: intrepid

Rubio said yesterday that Obama "is a Christian who was born in the United States"...

So some of the GOP is trying to at least appear rational.

I am having a hard time with this. I mean, I get that he cant say something like that, because of the constitution. But, at the same time it is true. There are nations and economies in tatters because their religion is number one. Over their children's lives even. So why would a muslim president place this nation over his religion?