I Finally Understand Racism.

a reply to: intrptr

Great point.
"Sure the hood has its gang banging".

ALL areas have this, they just have different names. How can a man that laundered money in a lower class neighborhood get 20 yrs, but a banker"s" get off scot-free? Criminal is criminal, yet those who are more "influenced" seem to walk away while others get PBS specials.

Low neighborhood = The show COPS.

High class neighborhood = PBS/HBO special.

If we took crimes added them with no color, no pic, just the crime itself, people would have a much harder time distinguishing between who they THINK is criminal and who actually is.

Peace, NRE.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: blueman12

How is being white and working hard, "privileged"? What is wrong with white picket fence people too? I much rather live in a snooty and stuck up place than live in a ghetto area that is filled with crime, but has a wealth of mixed cultures.

The crimes in snootville are less conspicuous, more secret and less prosecuted. The tax base of white picket ville and the voting base support the wars, their children become flight officers and drop bombs on the brown people. They become the law, judges, lawyers, politicians, CEOs, they run things. They oppress have nots with their Have status. Then go, how come the have nots can't rise above it?

Sure the hood has its gang banging, Id prefer that to the overall trouble the world has because of the upper middle class. The ones that have never seen war or trouble like in every day ville.

The ghetto is oppressed, the white people "nourished'". I don't know where you grew up.

The city may put money into predominantly white areas b/c they know it will create more tax revenue. Its a shame, especially when poor areas start loosing their schools and hospitals. Yet, how does anyone or any organization invest in an area filled with crime? You say you would rather live in the hood than live with ppl who don't know strife? Please, go down and live in south Chicago for a year and tell us how wonderful it is there.

Their children drop bombs on the brown people? You mean officials like Obama? A black man. Officials sure do a lot of oppressing though. Is it because of skin color? For the most part - no. It's for money and power.

I don't see this white man conspiracy to run and control things in today's society. It's more like there is just a lot of white people in this country. Some who come from rich and influential backgrounds. I don't get what that has to do with racism. An individual is racist. A majority of white people running an institution does not imply racism. Lack of diversity? Yea, but that is it.

a reply to: blueman12

" Its a shame, especially when poor areas start loosing their schools and hospitals. Yet, how does anyone or any organization invest in an area filled with crime? You say you would rather live in the hood than live with ppl who don't know strife? Please, go down and live in south Chicago for a year and tell us how wonderful it is there."

How do you think crime is created. Mostly (not all, see those who have millions but need billions at the cost of the rest) due to the LACK of basic human rights.

BTW, I was born and raised (30 years) in the South Bronx, Huntspoint to be exact, and it is still considered one of the worst areas in NYC. I am sad to say that I am but one of two people I grew up with that left. Besides there being almost NO WAY OUT, the system is made to be repetitive, from housing having a "roll over program" which means that if you grew up in an awful area, if a person in your family dies, it goes directly to you, people dont want to live there, but sometimes there is no other way.

Peace, NRE.

a reply to: NoRegretsEver

oh how i have missed seeing you around, NRE.

Outstanding, outstanding, outstanding.

I wish you could see me standing and clapping for you.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

MUAH!!! Missed you too!

Missed being here, its been a while I know, but I am back with a vengeance LOL, send me a U2U of the creation thread, I need something brand new

*** Found it, left a message there

Peace, NRE.

Ironic, I was just thinking about this exact topic on my own this morning.

For a very long time the white Christian male has been at the pinnacle of society. Due to shifting changes in population and the decline of the Christian religion, their numbers are shrinking and their influence faltering.

When you back a lion into a corner, it will strike. That is what we are seeing right now. As the power begins to evaporate before the white Christian male's eyes, a fear is born. What happens when they aren't in charge? What happens when they are predominate race on the show "Cops"? What happens when they are the minority?

So now we see white Christian male leaders making absurd claims, racist remarks, and going backwards in time with their ideologies. These men are consolidating their core beliefs and values, and hunkering down and entrenching their positions. The ironic thing is, instead of evolving and integrating with a new paradigm, these men foolishly believe that by striking back and going "down with a fight" somehow will save them. The complete opposite is true.

The more radical and fundamental these men grow, the more they alienate those who might help or ally with them. A self-destructive cycle of racism and hypocrisy is now forming in their ranks. It cannot be stopped, and soon the hate and racism will destroy them, all of their own volition.

originally posted by: NoRegretsEver
a reply to: intrptr

Great point.
"Sure the hood has its gang banging".

ALL areas have this, they just have different names. How can a man that laundered money in a lower class neighborhood get 20 yrs, but a banker"s" get off scot-free? Criminal is criminal, yet those who are more "influenced" seem to walk away while others get PBS specials.

Low neighborhood = The show COPS.

High class neighborhood = PBS/HBO special.

If we took crimes added them with no color, no pic, just the crime itself, people would have a much harder time distinguishing between who they THINK is criminal and who actually is.

Peace, NRE.

Absolutely.

There are many words for "snow" in a bunch of different cultures. It's still snow, but it's called a million different names.

When I lived in a "ghetto" (well not really that bad, but it was a high crime area) -- rich and poor, black and white we all have our problems. The difference is in how our culture raises us and teaches us how to deal with them. For example:

Low income, high crime area: Man and woman have fight and the woman kicks the man out. The woman is screaming out her window and throwing all his belongings out onto the front lawn.

Higher income, lower crime area: A man quietly can be seen walking to a car with a suitcase.

We all have very similar problems, its in how we deal with them that we see the differences.

I have to admit, it is quite boring now where I live. It was always interesting trying to guess how long the man across the street would be kicked out for. He'd usually come back after a night or two and the whole cycle would repeat. Where I live now the husband quietly shows up again and parks in a garage, it's harder to tell how long he gets kicked out for.

Another thing I miss about my old neighborhood -- no one paid any attention to anyone else. You minded your own business and kept your head down. You kept to yourself. Where I live now, there are busy bodies and nosy neighbors everywhere. It's really annoying. Say what you will about the lower income people, but they at least have more of a respect for privacy.

a reply to: Antidisestablishment

White people are the most racist because they are afraid of losing their identity and priviledge.
They see intermarriage as pollution.

The irony.

racism |ˈrāˌsizəm|
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
• prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior: a program to combat racism.

I think most of the differences in success between ethnic groups (or races?) can be determined to be socioeconomic in nature. What this means is if you start out poor then success is harder. For example, while I don't have the sources available RIGHT NOW, I'm sure that a poor child is less likely to grow up and graduate from a university than a child in an affluent household. Having less opportunities usually translates to less success. However, being poor DOES NOT mean you cannot succeed.

Some facts from 2010:
www.stateofworkingamerica.org - Poverty | State of Working America...

Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent.

45.8 percent of young black children (under age 6) live in poverty, compared to 14.5 percent of white children.

I bolded the racial(ly loaded) terms.

I think a lot of people become racist not just because someone else looks different or acts different. I think one of the primary things which creates it is economic status. For example, if the only africans a person has seen are poor then he/she might be inclined to think the african race is poor. Since this person inherently hates unsuccessful people, they can hate a race too if they think that race is unsuccessful.

Whether or not those people are right in judging people (and a whole race) merely on economic status, the problem is that economic status is a severe strain on a person's ability to succeed. While some people can be safely said to be poor by choice, economic status is not always a choice, as children can be born into a poor household through no fault of their own.

This, for example:
www.albionmonitor.com - Poverty Lowers IQ, Study Says...

Adjustments for socioeconomic conditions almost completely eliminate differences in IQ scores between black and white children, according to the study's co-investigators. They include Jeanne Brooks-Gunn and Pamela Klebanov of Columbia's Teachers College, and Greg Duncan of the Center for Urban Affairs and Policy Research at Northwestern University.

40% of black children lived in persistent poverty, compared to 5% of white children

And:
jech.bmj.com - Family hardship, family instability, and cognitive development...

Results The findings suggest that the experience of persistent economic hardship as well as very early poverty undermines cognitive functioning at 5 years of age. Family instability shows no significant association with cognitive functioning after controlling for family poverty, family demographics, housing and a set of control variables indicating child characteristics.

Conclusions Persistent poverty is a crucial risk factor undermining children's cognitive development—more so than family instability.

I also think soon there will be no instances of racial or ethnic identifying in any official capacity. So when you fill out anything for the government or for business or school or similar, they will not ask you for your race. Things like "Caucasion" and "African American" and "Asian American" and "Hispanic" and so on will be history. These terms will be remembered as identifiers the white american majority used to discriminate and divide.

If there're not important differences between races then why do we need to use them to identify ourselves officially? If most of hte differences are cultural or personal or religious in nature, then shouldn't I put "Chrisitian" or "Atheist" or "USA USA USA" in the box? How about I just put nothing in the box and just fill out what's necessary, like birthdate or name.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

white males have always been outnumbered in the world or the white race in general has always been outnumbered. lol you actually think the only reason white people have been successful has been because of religion and population. if that was true the chinese and african countries would forever be in control based off population and with the chinese having the largest religon and population.

Reading your response is actually pretty funny as i believe it has more to do with political correctness getting in the way of common sense. Most issues today arise from the absurdity of making the politically correct choice vs the common sense choice. It would seem the common sense choice has become unpopular and the more the political left push for more politically correct decisions the more damaged and corrupt the political system gets.

originally posted by: elysiumfire
NoRegretsEver:

I Finally Understand Racism.

Good post. Written with feeling.

Racism presents itself as a straightforward issue, but in reality it carries an interconnected complexity. It is an issue layered like an onion, the outer-layers of which are actually illusions and deceptions, and of course, to get to the inner truth and fully understand its causes and rid ourselves of it, we have to peel away the outer-layers, and keep peeling without compromise in our resolve and fortitude to get to grips with the issue.

All people of every colour have been and are subjected to racism. The reasons for racism are varied and diverse, some are a protectionist responses, whereas others are for profitable machinations and manipulations. These are just two of the outer-layers. The first most outer-layer to get through, to peel away, is that there are multiple races of people, there isn't, there is only one race of people, and we all belong to it: the 'human race'.

There are no genetic variations in the human population that discount any group from the human race, none whatsoever. Any genetic variation that qualified a group of people to be excluded from the human race would show them to be a different species altogether, and clearly, no such qualification exists. Diversity in the human race is driven by ethnic culture and mindset, out of which culture emerges. Unfortunately, mindset and cultural issues are an even greater issue than racism itself, because they deal definitively with the issue of identity.

In a sense, mindset and culture begs the question...whose mindset and culture is the most appropriate? It may look to be an impossible question to answer, but actually it is quite simple really. No one group of people have the correct mindset and culture for integration in a multicultural sense. A multi-culture cannot truly occur without genuine integration, and that cannot happen while the various groups retain a grasping for their own culture. All groups of people of whichever ethnicity have to let their own particular culture go in order for genuine integration to take place, and which will then create an overarching culture where diversity of skin colour is perceived as an equal aspect of being human. At that point, fallacious racism will not exist. If there is one goal the human race is trying to attain, either consciously or unconsciously, it is this one overarching culture that embraces all groups of colour.

Sadly, this is deemed a reach too far for some, and a loss of profit and control for others. Such people will do and say whatever it takes to ensure either their own culture and mindset is dominant, or to retain their wealth and control. These kinds of people should not be tolerated at all, and should be denounced and shown for what they truly are...elitist sociopaths. Exile the former and don't vote for the latter.

Fortunately, most people are not racist, but some do perceive themselves to be. It is important to bear in mind, it is only a perception, it is not a fact that they are racist. A so-called racist's concern does not actually revolve around a person's skin colour or any other genetic trait, it revolves around the differences in mindset and culture. What makes them seem racist is the adjectives they apply in denouncement and criticism of a person, as if a descriptive word answers all their concerns...it doesn't.

As people, embracing of all ethnicities, we have to see true and clear the mindsets and cultures that are dangerously divisive and isolationist, and we must rightly discard them to the pages of history, never to allow them to come forth again. Those that fear or hold concerns for other ethnicities need to be shown and given confidence that there really is nothing to fear or be concerned with for other ethnicities, but for this to happen, all ethnicities have to let their own particular culture fade away, and all need to adopt the culture of the human race, which can never be a slave or inferior in any way to any particular group of people.

This is right out of the communist manifesto. Wow.

Everyone has the right to freedom of association and celebration of their culture. That is what nature intended.

And btw you're wrong about there being no place where everyone is mixed and have one "culture". It's called Brazil and it's a sh!t hole. They may not be racist but they favor the lighter complected of themselves.

Oh and your ridiculous comment about their being no such thing as individual races is a blatant lie. Ask any forensic scientist or geneticist if there are distinct racial differences. Funny how you can tell the RACE of someone who's left their DNA at a crime scene or on a rape victim.

Such falsehoods you spew.

Yeah go look at the comments at a black history youtube section:
'Kill all white devils' 'Kill them all' -
Also Personally I HAVE been attacked because of my white skin by a group of thuggs. I look at south africa and hear stories of children being drowned in boiling water because of their skin. Some kind of genocide going on there. White properties confiscated and given to blacks in zimbabwe few years back. Hatred against white people is very real.

saying white people hold all the worlds power is irrelevant as the people at the top dont care more about black or white, only their god of money is important.

doublepost

originally posted by: DeusImperator
Yeah go look at the comments at a black history youtube section:
'Kill all white devils' 'Kill them all' -
Also Personally I HAVE been attacked because of my white skin by a group of thuggs. I look at south africa and hear stories of children being drowned in boiling water because of their skin. Some kind of genocide going on there. White properties confiscated and given to blacks in zimbabwe few years back. Hatred against white people is very real.

saying white people hold all the worlds power is irrelevant as the people at the top dont care more about black or white, only their god of money is important.

I am going to second this sense i could not adequately form a response to the OP that did not include insults to the OP's intelligence or an explanation of how the world would be better off without people such as the OP.

I do find it odd that someone can claim to understand racism while not understanding what the term actually means and also ignoring their own bigotry as they completely minimiz the experiences of individuals within a group.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

www.amren.com...
www.fbi.gov...

the man stated truth, perhaps he even has been victim of such crime and you send him to an right wing extremist site?
Eventhough poverty has more to do with it than race, it does not change the fact some races at this moment commit more crime > creating imo even more discrimination.

a reply to: jkramer
I was just stating that there is a lot of hatred against white people that that might explain why white people feel like they endure racism like the Original original poster stated. Where did i stated that i understood racism, where did i minimize 'experience of individuals within a group? Dont put words in my mouth just present me with facts instead that can progress this discussion further.

a reply to: DeusImperator


"Yeah go look at the comments at a black history youtube section:
'Kill all white devils' 'Kill them all' - "

Can you really determine the mind set of people because of youtube comments, if that is the case most of us are in a hell of a lot of trouble.


"Also Personally I HAVE been attacked because of my white skin by a group of thuggs. "

Again, this is something that 99% of the time is a crime, and not necessarily a racially motivated crime, if it happened to you because of your skin, those who committed that crime are not the majority. If you were robbed for your wallet, and your skin is white, it was the GREEN they were after, not you. (BTW, this was an example as I do not know what really happened, you were vague and I dont feel it appropriate to ask details about something as serious as that, no harm intended)


"I look at south africa and hear stories of children being drowned in boiling water because of their skin. Some kind of genocide going on there. White properties confiscated and given to blacks in zimbabwe few years back. Hatred against white people is very real."

The children you are speaking of is NOT because of black and white, but because of their skin (albinism) and its related to witchcraft, and religion/monetary gain for the bones of albino children.

Peace, NRE.

a reply to: jkramer

"I am going to second this sense i could not adequately form a response to the OP that did not include insults to the OP's intelligence or an explanation of how the world would be better off without people such as the OP. "

Its that same kind of backhanded "wording/wordplay" that makes a perfect point. I dont wanna say, but I will say, but as long as I say I wont, its all good. Writing what you did is the EXACT same thing as doing it. Supposed empathy concerning how you look IF you expressed yourself, and then actually doing it, says more about you then it says about me, and its how this hidden "we care" but not really that is causing most of whats happening today, and the point of the OP in the first place.

Peace, NRE.

Sigh, 4 pages on this thread and I see WAY TO much ignorance and EVEN some Racism LOL...


Sigh...

I guess shame is no longer a virtue..

Pretty sad times I live in...

I am glad I am wired different than allot of people.