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what is REALLY causing the mass movement towards Europe?

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posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 04:02 PM
a reply to: ressiv

My question was for ketsuko - but if you want to take a stab at it - be my guest

All that that just gurgled to the surface of your thinking is nothing but a rationalization - and not an answer to my question

posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 04:09 PM
To the OP. I think these are the reasons.

1. The UN run refugee camps are falling apart, either by mismanagement or design.
2. Merkel basically said "if you make it to Europe you'll be welcome". Only problem is many countries think that was foolish, and it was. Even Merkel is denying she ever really meant it " vaz a joke, mein Gruppenführer"!
3. Europe is rich, safe and stable. They will be housed, fed and catered for. Some will even integrate. Others won't and we'll end up with little pockets of resentment and envy for people to manipulate and mould - Allah Akbar, what joy.
4. The Middle East and North Africa are #ty places to be. Even before the tragedy we now see with ISIS, the place has ben run by thugs and life's been cheap.
5. Social media enables mass communication. The migrants are being coordinated.

Question - How do the migrants manage to recharge their smartphones?

posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 05:27 PM
a reply to: liteonit6969

For Syrian Armenians, exodus evokes flight from genocide a century ago

In the last months of World War II, about five million German civilians from the German provinces of East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia fled the advance of the Red Army from the east and became refugees in Mecklenburg, Brandenburg and Saxony. Since the spring of 1945 the Poles had been forcefully expelling the remaining German population in these provinces. When the Allies met in Potsdam on 17 July 1945 at the Potsdam Conference, a chaotic refugee situation faced the occupying powers. The Potsdam Agreement, signed on 2 August 1945, defined the Polish western border as that of 1937, (Article VIII)[34] placing one fourth of Germany's territory under the Provisional Polish administration. Article XII ordered that the remaining German populations in Poland, Czechoslovakia and Hungary be transferred west in an "orderly and humane" manner.[34] (See Flight and expulsion of Germans (1944–50).)

Angola Decolonisation during the 1960s and 1970s often resulted in the mass exodus of European-descended settlers out of Africa – especially from North Africa (1.6 million European pieds noirs),[97] Congo, Mozambique and Angola.[98] By the mid-1970s, the Portugal's African territories were lost, and nearly one million Portuguese or persons of Portuguese descent left those territories (mostly Portuguese Angola and Mozambique) as destitute refugees – the retornados.[99] The Angolan Civil War (1975–2002), one of the largest and deadliest Cold War conflicts, erupted shortly after and spread out across the newly independent country. At least one million people were killed, four million were displaced internally and another half million fled as refugees.[100]

Uganda Ugandan refugee children at a camp near Kitgum. In the 1970s Uganda and other East African nations implemented racist policies that targeted the Asian population of the region. Uganda under Idi Amin's leadership was particularly most virulent in its anti-Asian policies, eventually resulting in the expulsion and ethnic cleansing of Uganda's Asian minority.[101] Uganda's 80,000 Asians were mostly Indians born in the country. India had refused to accept them.[102] Most of the expelled Indians eventually settled in the United Kingdom, Canada and in the United States.[103]

Darfur An estimated 2.5 million people, roughly one-third the population of the Darfur area, have been forced to flee their homes after attacks by Janjaweed Arab militia backed by Sudanese troops during the ongoing war in Darfur in western Sudan since roughly 2003.

Since 2003, an estimated 70,000 illegal immigrants from various African countries have crossed into Israel.

More than one million Salvadorans were displaced during the Salvadoran Civil War from 1975 to 1982. About half went to the United States, most settling in the Los Angeles area. There was also a large exodus of Guatemalans during the 1980s, trying to escape from the civil war there as well. These people went to Southern Mexico and the U.S.

From 1991 through 1994, following the military coup d'état against President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, thousands of Haitians fled violence and repression by boat. Although most were repatriated to Haiti by the U.S. government, others entered the United States as refugees. Haitians were primarily regarded as economic migrants from the grinding poverty of Haiti, the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere.

As a result of the Bangladesh Liberation War, on 27 March 1971, Prime Minister of India, Indira Gandhi, expressed full support of her Government to the Bangladeshi struggle for freedom. The Bangladesh-India border was opened to allow panic-stricken Bangladeshis' safe shelter in India. The governments of West Bengal, Bihar, Assam, Meghalaya and Tripura established refugee camps along the border. Exiled Bangladeshi army officers and the Indian military immediately started using these camps for recruitment and training members of Mukti Bahini. During the Bangladesh War of Independence around 10 million Bangladeshis fled the country to escape the killings and atrocities committed by the Pakistan Army.

After the 1959 Tibetan exodus, there are more than 150,000 Tibetans who live in India, many in settlements in Dharamsala and Mysore, and Nepal. These include people who have escaped over the Himalayas from Tibet, as well as their children and grandchildren.

The civil war in Sri Lanka, from 1983 to 2009 had generated thousands of internally displaced people as well as refugees most of them being the Tamils. Many Sri Lankans have fled to neighbourly India and western countries such as Canada, France, Denmark, the United Kingdom, and Germany.

While successive policies of discrimination and intimidation of the Tamils drove thousands to flee seeking asylum, the brutal end to the Civil War and the ongoing repression have forced a wave of thousands of refugees migrate,[134] to countries like Canada, the UK and especially Australia. Australia in particular, receives hundreds of refugees every month.

About 69,000 Sri Lankan Tamil refugees live in 112 camps in the southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu.

1989, after bloody pogroms against the Meskhetian Turks in Central Asia's Ferghana Valley, nearly 90,000 Meskhetian Turks left Uzbekistan.[142][143] The 2010 ethnic violence in Kyrgyzstan left some 300,000 people internally displaced, and around 100,000 sought refuge in Uzbekistan.

Following the Greek Civil War (1946–1949) hundreds of thousands of Greeks and Ethnic Macedonians were expelled or fled the country. The number of refugees ranged from 35,000 to over 213,000. Over 28,000 children were evacuated by the Partisans to the Eastern Bloc and the Socialist Republic of Macedonia. This left thousands of Greeks and Aegean Macedonians spread across the world.

The forced assimilation campaign of the late 1980s directed against ethnic Turks resulted in the emigration of some 300,000 Bulgarian Turks to Turkey.
Refugees arrive in Travnik, central Bosnia, during the Yugoslav wars, 1993.

Beginning in 1991, political upheavals in Southeastern Europe such as the breakup of Yugoslavia, displaced about 2,700,000 people by mid-1992, of which over 700,000 of them sought asylum in European Union member states.[157][158] In 1999, about one million Albanians escaped from Serbian persecution.

As a result of the 1948 Palestine war and the 1948 Arab-Israel war, much of the Palestinian Arabs of what has become Israel fled or were expelled from their homes, either driven forcefully by Zionist paramilitary groups, by fear, or by instruction from Arab leadership. By the end of 1948, there were about 700,000 Palestinian refugees.

As of 2007 more Iraqis have lost their homes and become refugees than the population of any other country. Over 4,700,000 people, more than 16% of the Iraqi population, have become uprooted.

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posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 05:33 PM
a reply to: liteonit6969

These people have lived amongst war etc for a long time. So why now? For this kind of mass migration to occur I feel it takes a great deal of organisation and willpower. Who is organising this? I

As you can see from my first reply to you - this is not new - unfortunately

It doesn't take organization - it only requires desperation and panic

The reasons are obvious. What's more confusing to me is that people think this is confusing. Also - how far out of their way people will go to look for conspiracies when the reasons are right in front of them

Propaganda - of a certain kind - is what it takes to make people not care

A link to the above information

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posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 05:38 PM
It's all leading to the UN taking control of the world internationally. Whether they are behind it, whether they know the reason and allow it, or whether they don't know, it all leads to the inevitable.

posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 05:58 PM

originally posted by: Thefarmer
This has been puzzling me for some time now

I mean the war in Syria has been going on for 4yrs now but their only just deciding to flee?

I was watching Sky news about an hour ago and it was live from Croatia, the camera panned in to the crowd and I spotted two Asian looking dudes in the group at the front, they were definitely not Syrians or Iraqi or any other Middle easterners, then about 2 seconds later their off screen again and they never entered the frame again the cameraman kept them just outa sight. Just made me think there is much more to this than meets the eye

Something tells me things are guna get pretty bad in the next year throughout the EU

Me too.. something about this feels totally orchestrated, and I would normally assume that the intelligence info. one should look for would have to do with Turkey, and their involvement, or the coyote involvement in all of this; It feels like a release of people, all of them organized and set at the waters of the Mediterranean, to enter Europe, precisely during the month of September, and at ors about the time of the 9/11 anniversary..

During the last few months, we didn't see Greece complaining about all of the refugees on their islands while they were voting for their referendum, and while they were determining whether they would be accepting the austerity measures etc. or not..Tt is at that time, that Greece should have been hollering about refugees on their islands!! But they did not- Why so quiet during then, and look at them now, ushering in this magnamanious Exodus..

Funding of Coyotes on Med. Waters?
Is the US or Intel Agencies invovolved in any of this?
Is this a plot avenging Kaddafi..?

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posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 06:15 PM

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: liteonit6969

Also, how is it any different than the migrant crisis in the U.S. (at the Mexican border)

Similarly, with the U.S., it seemed to happen in a spur, very suddenly. And there was a lot of talk about "advertisements" or whatever you might want to call them, in Latin American countries, telling people to migrate North.

How is it helping a globalist agenda? That's my question - because it appears as if this is being orchestrated in both EU and US

I believe the globalist agenda involves eliminating western culture..which is essentially Christian based.. by importing all of these people, you have a situation where illiterate populations who follow other belief systems suddenly outnumber Western northerners.. slowly but surely, the violence levels increase, and Xtian, democratic culture is no more..

Others think that with all of these people arriving, it will continue to provoke the economic collapse, causing the final fall.
That's a good point too.

posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 06:30 PM
a reply to: liteonit6969

To me, this is a massive importation of mysogyny and fatal homophobia.. to re create western values in terms of Judaism and Islam..

Can Mossad be behind any of this?

Finally, I wonder what the Gay community response is to all of this..

posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 08:39 PM
a reply to: tony9802

I ran across this video in my search for the truth behind the story. I don't know how much truth is in it, but I agree that too much of this seems orchestrated and manipulated.

posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 08:49 PM
First they were called refugee's now migrants..

It looks like a horde of people just storming thru the lands however they want to.

glad I am not in the EU, right now, I see most if not all of these thousands of refugee's reproducing and being taken care of by social programs..

I am sure they also do not speak the language of the country they are storming to. I am not sure how long German, people will be liking that but, hey its been over 20 years since I have been there so I dunno anymore.

posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 09:14 PM
I was chatting with my mate in Cumbria today online...

"So, ready for your new Syrian bunkmates?"

He didn't think it was too funny......

posted on Sep, 18 2015 @ 04:12 AM

Basically is there something the media aren't letting us into? Why is this movement happening I have come to recognise that coincidences are very rare.

what the media is not talking about with any citzenship demanders demanding entry into all western countries is who is paying all the money?? The people smugglers do not work for nothing?

How can all the citzenship demanders afford to pay them. Perhaps the Syrians are a special case here but in all other cases the media is saying nothing about how much money has been payed to the people smugglers in the last 10 years for example?????????

Is anyone keeping tabs on the numbers of citzenship demanders around the world and how many been transported by the people smugglers ??????????

while I have no evidence that outsiders are paying for it all as a reuslt of their own agenda, the basic question of where did the hundreds of thousands or possible a few million refugees get the money reguired to pay the poeple smugglers,

Another question, how many people smugglers have been put goal for 50 years, for people smuggling. Is it even seen as an offence in may countires.

See the who transport infrastructure and processess have all remained intact for the last 10 years havent they. There has been no real disrruption to the people smuggling trade at all, why not??????????????

posted on Sep, 18 2015 @ 04:25 AM
Basicly, free everything, some of the 'refugee's' are from stable countries, like Bangladesh, and black African countries, so they are not really 'refugee's' but economic migrants.
The Premier of Hungary made a speech recently where he stated that if the migrants don't stop, Europe wont be Christian much longer, to my mind, Christians are their own worst enemy, with those migrants demanding more and more, and being given more and more, who would blame them heading for Europe?
Another report, German police woman stabbed by what is thought to be a muslim, ungrateful son of an unknown father.

posted on Sep, 18 2015 @ 09:07 AM

originally posted by: Bicent76

First they were called refugee's now migrants..

It looks like a horde of people just storming thru the lands however they want to.

*speaking from the UK* >>>>>>>>>

Was a time they turned up a few at a time ... But you're right they are

now more like an invading aggressive army.

glad I am not in the EU, right now, I see most if not all of these thousands of refugee's reproducing and being taken care of by social programs..

Yea...The lands of milk and honey, and streets paved with gold!!

I am sure they also do not speak the language of the country they are storming to. I am not sure how long German, people will be liking that but, hey its been over 20 years since I have been there so I dunno anymore.

Translators put a big strain on council and NHS budgets!!!

posted on Sep, 19 2015 @ 08:05 PM
I listened to the semi-famous 'Syrian Girl' reports by a respected but uncertified citizen reporter

then the SQ list of interesting links got updated with this article....'I think it basically shovels manure on the whole 'refugee' operation....

most mass migration persons pay'ed for some or part of their transport to the 'gateway displaced-persons areas' so that the desired EU locations would be more accessible to them than to the true refugees from war or war camps...


Refugee Crisis: Facts and Myths

Posted on September 16, 2015 by Baron Bodissey

The following informational brochure was composed by a European reader who volunteers for an organization that assists refugees in her country. She created this guide to counter the hype and disinformation surrounding the European “migration crisis”, and suggests that her brochure be reproduced and distributed to anyone interested in what is happening. Her explanations serve as an antidote to the all the media propaganda that currently saturates the airwaves and the intertubes.

AND examples:

2. If we don’t take the Syrians in, they are going to stay in Syria and die!

Answer: Again, most Syrians who reach Europe were already in Turkey, which is a peaceful country and welcomes Syrian refugees. Those who chose to come here were by no means under bombs and bullets before they came here, and could have stayed there and allowed the law to take its course and the UNHCR to resettle them in an orderly fashion.

3. But aren’t these boat refugees the poorest of the poor that we have to take pity on and care for anyway?

Answer: The average boat refugee has paid somewhere between $600 and $20000 (depending on how far he has traveled and by which means) dollars per person to the criminal human traffickers and smugglers to get to the country of his choice in Europe.

People with that kind of money at their disposal in the Third World are not poor by any means and can have a relatively comfortable life in whatever Middle Eastern region that they live in, and don’t need to come to us for help.

By contrast those refugees who are not leaving their camps in the Middle East and stay there patiently are the poorest ones, and they should be the object of our compassion


I am getting a new perspective on the letchers & perverted parasites that predominate the huddled masses in this 'migration of some few actual refugees'...
vet them all with do-or-die consequences !

posted on Sep, 19 2015 @ 09:53 PM
a reply to: St Udio


I also have watched Syrian Girl's videos for a long while. This video seems to support much of what the Gates of Vienna brochure had to say.

Both agree that supporting and encouraging these recent masses of immigrants is a mistake, and is seriously hurting the people they claim they are trying to help.

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