Cops go next level on two guys waiting for ride to work

Yeah, most of the burglars in our area sit outside the targeted business for extended periods of time before they break in....sure they do.

I don't know what that woman's problem was...why not just believe what the young guys were telling her? Especially once the mom showed up. Why couldn't she just admit they were being truthful and move along? She has some issues that need addressing once she is relieved of duty as an officer. I heard a lot of fear in her voice---in a situation SHE created. I didn't hear any reason for that fear in the video.
And for those who say "What about before the video began?" do you really think those guys were all up in fer face but did complete 180s once the camera came on? I'll admit it is possible but not very probable. I heard nothing that would warrant anyone being slapped around while showing respect by saying "Sir" and "M'am."
I eagerly await the release of the cop's video.

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys

On my way home to see my step-dad (who had just had a heart attack) while backpacking on foot cross country....I found myself in a small town stranded at the AMTRAK station for nine hours in the freezing cold without a good jacket while I was waiting for the next train.

I had been sitting there for several hours...road worn rough and shaken because of the family news and rushing to get home. An officer rolled by around 10pm, noticed me sitting there in the dark and checked in on me. Once he knew the score, he opened the trunk of his cruiser and handed me one of the army blankets they kept in the back for emergencies. He told me he'd check by every hour to make sure I was safe until sunrise.

That...my friend....is America.
THAT is proper American Police protocol.

You are living in a different America than most people. certain people expect Cops just to be good cops, and there's just cops and bad cops; some expect good cops to do good things; some expect cops to do bad things.

the number of people whom are expecting 'cops to be bad' are growing by the minute.

Only thing new is that they have cameras and shill sites like "LiveLeak" to showcase their edited encounters instead of just bitching about the man over a few 40's down at the park over an illegal campfire and needle littered campsite.

cameras have also overturned convictions and provide actual proof

What was their job again?

serve and protect... Enforce the law, not create the law

And please don't play dumb about it - I've been around the block so many times my shoes are worn out over this type of thing.

Do you remember the "proper American Police protocol." including getting busted down for standing? they could have just been not waiting for a ride. just standing is not a crime. and possibly she also initially thought they were both black, because thats what she radio'ed without thinking about it.

That surely seemed a bit much. But being aware of that area, it's changed in the last 15 years or so from rural lower population to more people to gangs and violence, their direction is probably more aggressive because of what is going on. Not to justify it but this cycle will continue if perpetuated from both sides.

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4

originally posted by: butcherguy I am guessing .

i'll go with the actual available evidence. bad cops. go figure.

This right here. If cops always have a 2nd side of the story they better all start wearing body cams that cannot be tampered so they can show the other side.

I don't think its been mentioned, but one of these guys is former military too. So its the common theme of 'off to serve my country' and then 'ah yes, home to be harassed'

Kind of sad.

www.wesh.com...

Veteran who served in Iraq says Apopka Police roughed him up during a trespass warning. The video on WESH at 5, 6 PM
Read more at www.scoopnest.com...

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This isnt the first problems with the Apopka police department. This story is where an off duty cop is being harassed by one of their own.

Here is another, Apopka police captain suspended with pay.

Ok..are the officers employees or authorized representatives of Cricket? If not, how in hell can they trespass someone from a private business?

Also, was it a sidewalk? I can't tell from the video. If it was the sidewalk, I don't care if they WERE next to a building, it's not trespassable, because it's public access.

Almost everyone that goes in the police force have control and power issues. They tend to freak out when they don't have that power even if it was illegitimate like in this video.

Tough one...the officer was correct in saying that the entire property, including the parking lot, is privately owned, therefore those two guys had no true reason to be there after hours. If it was to get picked up for work, they could have complied with that reality, moved down the street to either a public area or to a parking lot of an open business, called their boss to inform them of the move (they were already trying to call their boss anyhow), and left it at that.

While I don't see anything necessarily wrong with the tone used by the two guys, the both officers certainly seemed to have a need to yell for no reason, not to mention that the female officer seemed to just be grasping at straws to find a reason to keep them detained instead of just letting them wait for their ride. All she would have had to do was stay parked in the parking lot until their ride showed up and that would have presumably been the end of it.

I see the officers as unnecessarily escalating this situation, here, but the two guys should have left the private property as well, unless they could show that they had permission from the property owner to use that parking lot after business hours.

But like at least one other person said in this thread--it'd be nice to know what was said and how it was said before the camera started recording. It's easy to look like the good guy after you're recording, even if you were a complete jackass prior to cameras rolling.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
Tough one...the officer was correct in saying that the entire property, including the parking lot, is privately owned, therefore those two guys had no true reason to be there after hours.

When cops enter your curtilage without a warrant, they claim that they can't be charged with trespass because the driveway/sidewalk/etc constitute "public access" areas of your property.

If that's a valid argument, then they've got nothing to say about these two.

a reply to: Bedlam

That's assuming that there are not signs posted on the property about accessing the parking lot or privately owned areas during non-business hours. We don't have enough information in this particular incident to start this debate.

Plus, when an LEO is doing what you say, generally it is in accordance with official duties, and therefore it is appropriate.

You can't tell me that it's okay if these two guys were sitting in my driveway waiting for a ride that I wouldn't have the legal authority to tell them to get off of my property, or that an LEO wouldn't have the authority to tell them to leave.

In the same breath, sidewalks are generally always considered public access, but these two fellas were not on a sidewalk. And furthermore, if I post "No Trespassing" at the edge of my driveway, it is not okay for people to get on it without my permission--and really, it's not okay, even if I don't post those signs.

originally posted by: SilentE

originally posted by: 727Sky
a reply to: SilentE

A well spoken respectful man ...and it got him ? I guess the moral of the story is don't do anything... to piss a female cop off..

What's that old saying....

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned....

Both of these posts look a lot like the black comment to me, considering how many of the same kind of videos I have seen with black male officers it is a ridiculous comment. The whole problem clearly is pack behavior when a group pf police arrive anywhere with no or little information they still go into attack and pack mode.

a reply to: DexterRiley

No matter how a cop stop ends (provided it doesn't end with them beating me on the side of the road... which has happened) I try to thank them. I can be pretty anti police, but I look at it from the bigger picture.

I'm not into anything bad, so if they stopped me it was a driving or car problem so I was stopped for road safety, I would rather have people enforcing traffic laws than not. Also police/citizen interactions always involve the worst in anybody, very few people have a good cop story about how the wonderful police officer pulled you over, made you late for work, and fined you a couple hundred dollars for a non working taillight. The constant attitude they receive builds up over time, and sometimes their job is going to clash with what you're doing. Thanking them for still doing the job and improving the community seems to me like basic respect.

Treating people like they're human, and understanding they have an important job to do can go a long ways. Of course the reverse is also true, and too few cops treat suspects like they're human which leads into all of the issues we see so routinely.

Another example of the new generation of youtube lawyers that think they can be asses to cops and have the constitution save them.

a reply to: Domo1

How were they being "non-compliant" when the other officers got there...
As a matter of fact, how were they being non=compliant at all, I didn't hear any commands at all from the officers until the one officer started throwing the guy to the ground and yelled at him to sit down.

a reply to: odzeandennz

I dunno.
Maybe I'm just an old fart but sitting in such a random place after hours looks a lot like:

Loitering

Which is reasonable cause for an officer to investigate.

As it's been pointed out several times prior, we don't have enough evidence from this clip what happened prior to filming.

Personally, if I was waiting on my boss for drafting class I would have chosen something like a McDonalds.

You know...well lit....normal place for folks to wait. Maybe have a cuppa coffee or whatnot.

The fact that they chose this particular location for a pick up is just sketchy.

And exactly how many other people were waiting for "drafting" school?

For what real or imagined Army?
Think about it.

Come on man.
Really?

originally posted by: smirkley
Another example of the new generation of youtube lawyers that think they can be asses to cops and have the constitution save them.

How exactly is addressing the officers as "Ma'am" and "Sir" being an ass? How is asking for a coherent explanation of a detention by a cop being an ass? Honestly, short of kow-towing before her and licking her boots, I don't see how they could have pleased her.

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
a reply to: odzeandennz

I dunno.
Maybe I'm just an old fart but sitting in such a random place after hours looks a lot like:

Loitering

Which is reasonable cause for an officer to investigate.

As it's been pointed out several times prior, we don't have enough evidence from this clip what happened prior to filming.

Personally, if I was waiting on my boss for drafting class I would have chosen something like a McDonalds.

You know...well lit....normal place for folks to wait. Maybe have a cuppa coffee or whatnot.

The fact that they chose this particular location for a pick up is just sketchy.

And exactly how many other people were waiting for "drafting" school?

For what real or imagined Army?
Think about it.

Come on man.
Really?

Yes, it indeed warranted investigation. The female office did just that, she investigated and found out they were waiting on a ride.
She should of then said goodbye walked peacefully away and watched the men from a distance to see if they are in fact waiting for a ride to work or if there is more to their story. If the ride came then all is well, if it did not and they were up to no good then she has her evidence to call them out on it ect.

Come on man, really? Old fart or not you must have logic and reason installed? The police were wrong in my opinion and it seemed evident from the video.
If other things happened then like a poster above noted then all officers should be wearing tamper proof body cams.

I absolutely hate seeing clips like this, hate that ordinary citizens are being bullied and harrassed for no good reason.
But it just does not remotely shock me any more.
I felt bad for those guys, you could hear in their voices that they could not believe what was happening - sadly they also knew they had to film it because cops these days are totally out of control.

Lucky nobody got killed.

a reply to: SilentE

I agree there was a lot of error happening in that whole scenario....I have been trying to understand why some officers get so pent up over minor trivial issues for some time. Maybe they've seen the end result of too much hardcore crime, and they've just become hyper-vigilant.

It's possible.

I wish there were enough folks on the force to allow for proper vacation time.

I know I'm giving these kids a hard time, and really, I don't mean to....we all tend to develop experience bias after a while, it's just how human brains operate.

I've met my share of escalators as well, the types of officers who already know what they're going to do with you before they even get out of the car - and they're terrifying to encounter.

Irregardless of our perceived differences on this issue, I agree tamper proof live and recorded feed body cams should be mandatory for LEO's....and that we need to find the source root cause for these types of communication breakdowns between Law Enforcement and Citizens in order to return our country to a state of sanity.

a reply to: SilentE

I glad to see the Apopka Police cleaning up the streets. You know these brown people weren't waiting for work. According to many, especially Donald Trump, they are lazy and criminals.

These guys can't be trusted. If you are brown you should be beat down!!

What I just said sounds ridiculous doesn't it? Yeah, I'm tired of seeing, hearing, and reading things like this. I'm tired of seeing white Americans bash people they don't know for no other reason than the color of their skin or religious beliefs.

We have a major problem in America but until we begin to accept that there is a problem there will never be a solution.