Defeat The Right In Three Minutes

a reply to: introvert

I read the source.... Yawn. If CLC are for globalization, how come the TPP is being shoved down our throats by the current Administration? The article is a feel good piece directed at their base, to demagogue the other side. Is that productive? Both party's don't have the average citizen best interests at heart. All politicians care about is gaining power and working to keep that power, usually at the expense of Joe Public.

a reply to: TechniXcality

Those are all nice platitudes, but these people need specific help. Specific, like who can they call, where can they go, what skills do they need to learn, how do they learn those skills. And in the meantime, they need some assistance to feed themselves and their kids.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Yes, poverty is often generational. The poor beget more poor. It's a cycle of despair that continues on and on. They don't see the way out. What they need to break the cycle are social programs that mentor the youth, train the adults, and help with financial assistance while they are helped to get back on their feet and become independent.

I agree that just giving them money isn't enough to break the cycle of poverty. But ignoring them isn't the answer either.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: TechniXcality

Those are all nice platitudes, but these people need specific help. Specific, like who can they call, where can they go, what skills do they need to learn, how do they learn those skills. And in the meantime, they need some assistance to feed themselves and their kids.

So because an adult with children doesn't know what to do to help themselves, others should have to figure it out? I have a family with 3 kids that I have to coordinate and figure stuff out for every single day. I would love some assistance because it is overwhelming many times, but there is a certain pride that comes from not asking and actually figuring it out.

It's actually very simple to me...live within your means, not your dreams.

a reply to: kaylaluv

I had non of those, in the industry I am in I winged it, and learned fast. When responsibility was placed on me I took it, when someone asked me if I could do something, I said yes confidently,even though I had never done it ( I went and learned, Google, books, tech support)- Always act like you've been there, even if you haven't. My family has buisnesses in the IT world, the low voltage world I winged it completely. Took jobs at 10 dollars in hour within 2 years I was at 20 per hour, listen you just got to get your foot in the door. Which means take opportunitys and also don't let failure destroy you, keep going, keeping asking until someone says yes! Eventually someone will.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

Tell your words of wisdom to someone stuck in the hood, who is working at McDonalds or Walmart (or maybe both), but can't afford to feed their kids.

Who made where they live a "hood"? Which side has continued to not improve said "hood"? That's where I would direct my wrath. Just saying, the war on poverty hasn't seemed to go very well. Perhaps we should try something else?

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Yes, poverty is often generational. The poor beget more poor. It's a cycle of despair that continues on and on. They don't see the way out. What they need to break the cycle are social programs that mentor the youth, train the adults, and help with financial assistance while they are helped to get back on their feet and become independent.

I agree that just giving them money isn't enough to break the cycle of poverty. But ignoring them isn't the answer either.

Adults can't be trained...they are set in their ways. That is why most of my help goes towards youth. They can change things. Adults will only bias and hamper the help. I have personally experienced numerous mothers that would undermine what I was trying to do to help simply because they thought I was trying to take their kids away and because I am white. Until you figure out a way to break an adult of bias, you'll never succeed in a social program...the percentage of those that actually do something versus those that don't is insane.

Working with those that have less is the reason for my point of view. I have worked with a lot of people and have found that more often, the children are influenced by the bias of their parents who feel that everyone is out to put them down so the cycle continues.

And this is all coming from years of working at Shelters in Atlanta. My family has been heavily involved in them since I was 7....that's 31 years.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

So, you're saying to ignore those in poverty. Got it.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Vasa Croe

That's because there will NEVER be a perfect thriving economy where everyone will get the perfect job making the perfect salary. There will always be a percentage of the population that will be unable to earn a living wage. What to do with those poor unfortunate souls? The right wants to ignore them. The left wants to share the wealth and help them, still encouraging them to get on their feet with free education, job training, etc.

The difference here is the "right" isn't trying to force the other side to do anything with their money whatsoever.

Are you auditioning for comedy?

Maybe explain the bank bailouts to me? Where the money came from and where it went? Or how about the invasion of Iraq? Was that free? If not who paid for it? Who pays for tax breaks and subsidies to corporations?
This is going to be a long list...are you sure you meant to say that?

The invasion of Iraq cost $2 Trillion over 10+ years... that's roughly what the USA spends in social programs in a year. You don't want to go there, friend.

Apart from the questionable numbers...you do realize that "Social Programs" took in easily over 10 Trillion in that same time frame?

I always get confused when GOP don't acknowledge the difference between a war expense (money gone) and Social Programs that have associated revenue from the same beneficiaries.

One is a savings account the other is just money spent...lest you count Oil Barron's rebuilding Iraq?

Lets do some brass "tax"
2014
Money out..
851 Billion Social Security
511 Billion Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP, etc.

Money In...
From Payrol tax marked for social programs
1.19 Trillion

So 1.36 Trillion out in 2014, 1.19 in revs in 2014...an expense of 160 Billion for social programs in 2014?

And enough in the bank/fund to get us through for another 15-20 years if we keep running at that loss.

Compare again the money in and the money out for the Iraq war again?

And not for nothing but the Military expense last year was 521 Billion? vs. the 160 Billion after acknowledging revenues?

how much of that 521 Billion in military spending is re-circulated into the economy vs. Social spending which is immediately spent and passed on to capitalistic enterprises?

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Vasa Croe

So, you're saying to ignore those in poverty. Got it.

If that's what you're taking from what I typed then so be it....you interpret it the way you want. Everyone is capable of doing better. If you don't believe that then you're lost along with all the others that think the same and will always stay in the same position they are in.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

I didn't say everyone wasn't capable of doing better. I'm saying that some need a little more help to figure out how to do better. And until they do better, they need a little help to live now.

At bottom, conservatives believe in a social hierarchy of "haves" and "have nots" that I call "corporate feudalism". They have taken this corrosive social vision and dressed it up with a "respectable" sounding ideology. That ideology is pure hogwash, and you can prove it.

First swing is a miss. Sounds like we're in the habit of inventing ideologies here. Everything else that follows is about his conception of "corporate feudalism", and not conservatism. Essentially he assumes what he has to prove, which is begging the question. Not to mention the hypocrisy—the denouncing of propaganda and rhetoric, which he utilizes to his own delight, while condemning others who do the same.

Also not to mention, the "cheap-labour" nonsense assumes all republicans are business owners or corporate chicken-hawks, and not themselves workers with jobs who require fair pay.

It's just a hit piece designed to appeal to the credulous acolytes of groupthink.

a reply to: kaylaluv

But your solution is silly, have you ever actually been to 'the hood', do you know the kind of mentality that permeates in places like that, I do all to well. A lot live there engaging in surreptitious activity, all the while feeling like society owes. While contributing nothing in return, it's pure insanity, and people with your mentality want to keep an open purse to the behavior and not to be strict, and firm as a society, all that does is encourage these dumps to become more and more #ty. It's a vicious cycle, someone has to want to change in order to change, and right now believe it or not there are enough opportunitys in which a good plan and diligent execution can get you to a better place. Don't believe the rhetoric, it's the story's we tell ourselves that keep us down, if you want to change your life change your story.

a reply to: TechniXcality

So you want to ignore them too. Okay.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Vasa Croe

I didn't say everyone wasn't capable of doing better. I'm saying that some need a little more help to figure out how to do better. And until they do better, they need a little help to live now.

So...let them make mistakes and not learn from them...just keep giving....got it.

a reply to: muse7

They want them to be born so they can complain about how they are all lazy thugs.

originally posted by: muse7

Way to contribute!

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: muse7

They want them to be born so they can complain about how they are all lazy thugs.

So you know for sure aborted fetuses would be in that category?

Hmmm.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: muse7

They want them to be born so they can complain about how they are all lazy thugs.

Who is they exactly? I would always prefer a productive member of scoety be born than a lazy thug...would be odd to want lazy thugs to be born...