Defeat The Right In Three Minutes

a reply to: TechniXcality

,so we know who to use these tactics against

I'm not saying use the tactic. I'm saying we need to expose the people that use these tactics and propaganda.

That seems to have been glossed-over.

originally posted by: intrptr
Musing about labels…

I remember some from a different era, they meant the same thing…

Goddamn, long hair, barefoot, hippie protester… Get a Job!

Liberal, pinko, commie bastard!

Haha, wearing with pride!

I remember not too long ago when I, being a member of the GOP and the GOP held the House, Senate and White House, that I was called unpatriotic because I did not agree with the policies and decisions of the POTUS during a time of war...

My how times have changed.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: introvert

Cheap labor for a cheap job. *shrug* Seems fair. Funny, I don't feel defeated after reading this... Ooh, wait... what is that sharp pai... nope, just needed to break wind. Yeah, not really seeing the defeat here. All I see are more desperate excuses for failures, abdication of personal responsibility, and an further attempt to cling to those Meal Ticket kept voters like nobody's business.

The OP aside...what I see here is Frank Lutz with "personal responsibility" and "meal ticket" being the buzzwords to evoke emotion in place of reason.

It would be good if the right and left could have rational discussions and reach rational conclusions without the BS and appeal to lizard brained thinking.

...Alas...back to the nonsense..

a reply to: Aliensun

Abortion has nothing do with this topic.

.And maybe many of you progressives

I'm not a progressive. Go find one and ask them.

a reply to: Indigo5

Hey, care to provide the logic and reason behind "That guy has made more money than me, take it from him and redistribute it to meeeeee!" since you seem to be so eager to keep us all on the pragmatic, emotionless path?

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: TechniXcality

,so we know who to use these tactics against

I'm not saying us the tactic. I'm saying we need to expose the people that use these tactics and propaganda.

That seems to have been glossed-over.

Funny how you only selectively quote a partial sentence of my last reply.Meh, so essential what you're saying is we need to use these tactics against those that use tactics, or are the tactics in the OP "Defeat the right in three minutes" not being called tactics but something else entirely.

Come on say it, PURE TRUTH

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: TechniXcality

,so we know who to use these tactics against

I'm not saying us the tactic. I'm saying we need to expose the people that use these tactics and propaganda.

That seems to have been glossed-over.

The issue with all politicians is that they all use propaganda and tactics to achieve their end goal. In a way, everyone does in every aspect of their life. People "beef up" their resumes to get a job, guys talk themselves up to girls to get a date, in school kids talk behind others backs and tell lies to make themselves seem better. It is used all over the place. It would seem it is just human nature.

You can't say one side uses it and the other doesn't. That would be untrue.

Sad fact is that this debate will never end and nobody will ever win it.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Reallyfolks

While I can agree that there are many issues on the Left and they have played a part in the process described by the author, I also believe there is a very distinct difference between the parties overall.

The extreme Right is an entirely different monster of it's own.

While their might be distinct differences when it comes to ideals there is no differences between the two parties when it comes to action.

Both the Democrats and Republicans give you the same things:
1. Bigger gov't
2. Bigger: debt, taxes,fees
3. Corporate friendly regulations.
5. Less individual personal freedoms.

GOP endorsed candidates speak republicanese but deliver the same things as their DNC endorsed colleagues

a reply to: introvert

I didn't see "individual rights" anywhere. So I'm to assume that it's still okay to tout that as an ideal?

How to defeat the left. Use math. Observe.

The problem is that everyone needs $20. Person A has $40 and Person B has $0. Solve the problem.

The leftist automatically says, "Simple! How dare Person A be so greedy. All we do is vote for the government to take $20 from Person A and give it to Person B. Now they both have $20 which is what everyone needs."

The person on the rights says, "We create a thriving economy where Person B has the opportunity to create/earn his own $20. Now Person A has $40 and Person B has at least $20 which is what everyone needs."

There is an important difference between the two economies: In the leftist economy, there is no more than $40 in productivity, and because no one can ever be assured of being secure in keeping more than the necessary $20, very few will ever strive to be any more productive than what it will take to make that $20.

In the economy on the right, the economy is worth $60 and thus is more productive, and it has a better chance of staying more productive because not only is the person with $40 secure in his property but the person who formerly had nothing was empowered by being able to make his own $20 and sees and aspires to maybe someday being able to make as much as the person with $40.

a reply to: ketsuko

Ketsuko, for your safety I beg of you not to post in this thread, you'll be defeated in three minutes.

originally posted by: interupt42

While their might be distinct differences when it comes to ideals there is no differences between the two parties when it comes to action.

Both the Democrats and Republicans give you the same things:
1. Bigger gov't
2. Bigger: debt, taxes,fees
3. Corporate friendly regulations.
5. Less individual personal freedoms.

GOP endorsed candidates speak republicanese but deliver the same things as their DNC endorsed colleagues

And Cheap-labor.

Don't forget Cheap-labor.

And the Real-Cheap-labor is available in Communist countries like China, Vietnam, etc. who all have items 1,2,3,and 5 above.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Indigo5

Hey, care to provide the logic and reason behind "That guy has made more money than me, take it from him and redistribute it to meeeeee!" since you seem to be so eager to keep us all on the pragmatic, emotionless path?

Why would I try to apply logic to an illogical claim centered on provoking emotion?

Your claim seems to be centered on the premise that those that require government help have never contributed to the government coffers?

Or is it that those in the higher income bracket should be immune from contributing?

You also seem to be confused who takes from who in the equation.

Maybe contemplate where the money came from and where it went during the bailouts of the big banks?

Or we can discuss the accounting of SS, Medicare, SNAP, Unemployment Insurance et al.? The capital gains tax rate?

All lengthy debates well worth having..but please do stick with ""That guy has made more money than me, take it from him and redistribute it to meeeeee!"

No interest in the BS parade today...

originally posted by: Indigo5
No interest in the BS parade today...

Feel exactly the same way every payday...

a reply to: ketsuko

So when is the right going to create this thriving economy you speak of that will give jobs to every single person alive? Oh and not just a job, but a job that pays a living wage to every single person alive?

a reply to: Indigo5

I think it is more that those in a higher income bracket are forced to contribute more. I know that I used to contribute around 30% until I hit a new income bracket and now it is 40%. Why? I work hard for my money too. I am not impoverished, but that is because I work hard. Why should I be taxed a higher percentage because I make more. Why should others be taxed a lower percentage because they make less?

Sure I live in a nice house and have a couple nice cars, but I can afford them because I work hard to be able to. I live within my means as other should. Why should I pay an extra 10% to help others live outside their means? Pretty simple really.

Ahh the internet, where destitute liberals go to win at things.

a reply to: ketsuko

While you make several valid points the problem is, that you are basing your argument on ideology. The truth of the matter is that gov't is not run by ideology but rather reality and money.

The reality is that that both the DNC and GOP endorsed candidates could care less about ideology.

So while the Left is blaming the right and building their case on ideology and vice versa the politicians (GOP & DNC) and the lobbyist are laughing all the way to the bank over and over and over in an endless cycle.

Both the GOP and DNC endorsed candidates are giving you the same things. Look at the actions and not the words they speak. GOP and DNC candidates despite ideal rhetoric differences they give you the same things:

1. Bigger gov't
2. Bigger: debt, taxes,fees
3. Corporate friendly regulations.
4. Less individual personal freedoms.
5. Cheap labor and outsourcing jobs to foreign communist countries (courtesy of xuenchen )

We need to stop talking and arguing about ideology as it makes NO difference in our CURRENT reality at this point. Ideology won't come into play untill we get corruption out of our gov't. Right now money precedes and prevails over Ideology every time in DC.

The battle is not between individual republicans and individual democrats.

the battle is between individual republicans AND individual democrats VERSUS [LOBBYIST, OLIGOPOLIES, DNC AND GOP]

Until we get corruption out of congress our ideals won't mean anything and not worth arguing about. Its solely a distraction tactic.

a reply to: xuenchen

Very true xuenchen good points and addition.

I must say I'm a bit surprised to see you agree . LOL

4 was for your addition ;-)

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: ketsuko

So when is the right going to create this thriving economy you speak of that will give jobs to every single person alive? Oh and not just a job, but a job that pays a living wage to every single person alive?

When is anyone? The left has been in charge for 8 years now and I have yet to see a thriving economy with jobs galore.....

Nobody is going to create it....people can sit and wait all they want. Maybe, just maybe they will all realize at one time that they are responsible for their own destiny and create their OWN job...I know that may come as a CRAZY idea to a lot of people but it actually works....I know, my wife and I both do it.