Defeat The Right In Three Minutes

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: introvert

Cheap labor for a cheap job. *shrug* Seems fair. Funny, I don't feel defeated after reading this... Ooh, wait... what is that sharp pai... nope, just needed to break wind. Yeah, not really seeing the defeat here. All I see are more desperate excuses for failures, abdication of personal responsibility, and an further attempt to cling to those Meal Ticket kept voters like nobody's business.

omg, thank you for the enjoyable read, and lucid response. Passes you a bowl of beans....

originally posted by: tinymind
a reply to: introvert

It always tickles me how so many people scream about "personel responsibility" and then get caught cheating on their spouses or being "extra friendly" with guys in a bus station. But then I guess many of them are not really much different than some televangelists I can remember.

Long on retoric but short on character.

It's as though they had never been told that all your actions have consequences.

It beats being short on character and even vapid on content.

originally posted by: introvert
Cheap Labor Conservatives.

It seems the whole OP post is all about cost of labor, and since it seems the OP thinks every job should pay a lot more, well unless it already does then we need to tax those a lot more, I'm wondering if the OP has a business or not...

Also, I would love to send my kid over to his house to mow his lawn for a few 100 dollars...what's fair is fair...right?

it's true what your hearing OP.
There are no democrats and republicans anymore.
Dem's are simply the Human Resources dept of the same Military
Big Oil complex the right belongs to.
They ALL stink to high Heaven.
The real fight is the 7.4 billion of us, vs 1,800 billionaires.
I wish the was a graphic to show what 7,400,000,000 vs 1800
looked like.

originally posted by: sirlancelot
a reply to: introvert

Makes you wonder why the conservative's in the GOP are winning! Sadly the conservatives help to maintain majority in the house, help to get majority in the Senate, and the leadership in both sides of congress doesn't do what they say they will do. We need to get rid of progressives and Rhino's in the White House, Senate, and House and then we can get get somewhere.

Yes, it almost makes one think that the majority of the American people are wanting to stop the over reach of government, but are stuck with a system that rewards those ancient members who hold the seats of power and allow through whatever legislation they deem worthy. I think we will see a revolution in the near future because we can't expect the likes of McConnell, Boehner, Polosi to change anything and make America great again!

Here's the breakdown in the house of Representatives leadership, and we do see a pattern here that while the Democrats stay forever, the people keep throwing out the Republicans because they won't or can't fight against the machine.

Democrat leadership in the House

Pelosi 28 yrs
Clyburn 22 yrs
Hoyer 37 yrs
Becerra 22 yrs

Republican leadership in the House

Messer is a baby at 2 years
McMorris Rodgers 10 yrs
Scalise another baby at 7 yrs
McCarthy another baby 9 yrs
Boehner 25 yrs


You want to see where all the ancient ones are? Just visit this link and have a gander at the entrenched high priests and priestesses of the Senate who keep the people from exacting change when they continue to overturn house membership. Nothing gets done because of these establishment puppets.

Senate

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
Yeah, not really seeing the defeat here. All I see are more desperate excuses for failures, abdication of personal responsibility, and an further attempt to cling to those Meal Ticket kept voters like nobody's business.

My hat off to the democrats. Starting in the Clinton era they focused on empty promises for the poor while demonizing anyone who might actually do well in life. Pure numbers game here... They might as we call it "something for nothing" program for that is what they preach and the ignorant eat it up like hot cakes.

This hit full stride with Obama as the democrats preached "everyone should own a house" "It is a right for ALL Americans to own a house". Barney Frank and cronies push sub-primes while eliminated barriers in place to prevent people who can't afford a house to still buy one. Well we know what happened with that, but people were asked "why are you voting for Obama?" and the common reply was "Obama is going to buy me a house!"

Come forward to present and they can not use the house thing again, so now it is 15 bucks an hour for EVERYONE!" Yeah! The other side of the coin is the demonizing is truly polished now as anyone who disagrees is a person who doesn't want everyone to have a living wage, or wants to keep others down..etc Throw in a number of other "something for nothing" empty promises and BAM! you got a vote generating machine.

The sad part as to the cry for 15 bucks an hour has a lot to do with Obama's failure to create good jobs that pay well, so the democrats response to fix it is not create living wage jobs, but to make the lowest jobs a living wage with zero care for the repercussions it will have on the economy.

No new jobs, just crappy ones that pay better, in the end the under-educated and under-skilled person will not have a job as the person with a masters degree will be saying "do you want fries with that?" since there still is no job creation for a viable living wage job market.

a reply to: burdman30ott6
That icon is a good benchmark for the validity of your views.
It failed to rally the Confederacy, and has long been the banner for other similarly themed groups of losers.

You don't feel defeated but feelings have nothing to do with defeat. The loss in the arena of ideas means you can't use the same ideas and expect success. You know, because it's failed and the rest of the audience knows it.
I thought that would be obvious. Isn't it?
You may remember the definition of insanity?

Then you use more code phrases, more appeals to emotions, more expressions that you are permitted to state but that have NO VALUE. Free speech is worth that. Informed speech is the meat and potatoes.



Catch on and catch up. We got a seat on the train for you but you've got to read the ticket stub. We have remedial education so that you can join us and so that you can find that place to fit your bottom.

a reply to: introvert

Defeat the right in three minutes eh? I remember my brother once asked me if I knew what a fishing-lure was designed to catch. I replied: "Uh, a fish?". He said: "It's designed to catch a fisherman". $$$

I guarantee you won't change anyone's deeply held beliefs in three minutes. The article advocated arguing by throwing catchphrases and name calling back and forth, rather than listening and reasoning. Who are you going to defeat by calling them cheap-labor conservatives? What will this three minute defeat accomplish?

The only people who gain from this method are politicians. The left and right have been spouting this kind of propaganda for some time now, it's nothing new. While your attention is diverted to the right, the left can can get away with anything.

How long have we been voting for one party not because we have confidence in them, but because we want to beet the 'bad' party? What's the result been?

a reply to: VP740

The article advocated arguing by throwing catchphrases and name calling back and forth, rather than listening and reasoning.

Yes, that's true. I was not advocating for the usage of the term, per se, I was more interested in the pointing-out of certain tactics and facts the article laid-out for us.

originally posted by: VP740
a reply to: introvert

Defeat the right in three minutes eh? I remember my brother once asked me if I knew what a fishing-lure was designed to catch. I replied: "Uh, a fish?". He said: "It's designed to catch a fisherman". $$$

Now THAT is a worthy quote....

originally posted by: lucifershiningone
Want to defeat them...state facts.

I notice they have a hard time with those and base everything they debate on emotions and bias.

That's interesting because that's exactly what conservatives say about liberals.Myself being in the middle i'd have to say that my experience has been that liberals are the ones that shout down others and they refuse to acknowledge any facts given that refute their position.I'd be interested to see your"facts" the one's verifiable anyway,