Defeat The Right In Three Minutes

a reply to: burdman30ott6

It's painted on lol.

Lost me where it starts talking about the Republican right... Then switches to conservatives...

They are not one and the same... Republicans just like democrats are only out for themselves.

a reply to: network dude

"ETA:Oh and you just have no clue about the education. If you are on welfare, you qualify for Grants and assistance so you pay nothing. And you can get child care too."

When and where so I can move my grandchild there? If it is all free, what am I paying for? Why do I have to babysit when there is free babysitting? My granddaughter's father deserted her and now I have to take spend my social security helping her and mom. Where is this place where she can get all this free stuff so I can use my social security for myself?

originally posted by: jamespond

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Not everyone is as fantastic as you. Some people need a little extra help. Maybe they aren't as smart as you. Maybe they have been told all their life that they are worthless, stupid and won't amount to anything, and they ended up believing it. Maybe as a teen girl, they had little self-worth, so they slept with some guys and got pregnant a few times. Now those men might have disappeared and the teen grows up with a family of her own to take care of, no support, trying to feed 3 or 4 kids, and no clue how to get herself out of poverty.

Not everyone is you. Not everyone has had or will have the same experience as you.

Exactly, so why do I have to pay for their mistakes?

Wow, another typical ignorant right wing response.

I'm alright Jack!

Sorry, but did I miss your well thought out response to the OP in this thread somewhere? Or are you just posting one liner drive by's in an attempt to troll?

Talk about ignorant.....

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: network dude

"ETA:Oh and you just have no clue about the education. If you are on welfare, you qualify for Grants and assistance so you pay nothing. And you can get child care too."

When and where so I can move my grandchild there? If it is all free, what am I paying for? Why do I have to babysit when there is free babysitting? My granddaughter's father deserted her and now I have to take spend my social security helping her and mom. Where is this place where she can get all this free stuff so I can use my social security for myself?

Just from a childcare standpoint, every state has it. Here is a link to find your local office to call about the programs offered.

www.acf.hhs.gov...

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: jamespond

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Not everyone is as fantastic as you. Some people need a little extra help. Maybe they aren't as smart as you. Maybe they have been told all their life that they are worthless, stupid and won't amount to anything, and they ended up believing it. Maybe as a teen girl, they had little self-worth, so they slept with some guys and got pregnant a few times. Now those men might have disappeared and the teen grows up with a family of her own to take care of, no support, trying to feed 3 or 4 kids, and no clue how to get herself out of poverty.

Not everyone is you. Not everyone has had or will have the same experience as you.

Exactly, so why do I have to pay for their mistakes?

Wow, another typical ignorant right wing response.

I'm alright Jack!

Sorry, but did I miss your well thought out response to the OP in this thread somewhere? Or are you just posting one liner drive by's in an attempt to troll?

Talk about ignorant.....

Oooohh, touched a nerve there have I?

Sorry I didn't realise my post was any less thought out than the post of yours that I was responding to.

Geez, talk about double standards. But hey that's the right wingers for ya!

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: network dude

And you miss the point. I had help, and someone to encourage me. People in poverty don't have a mommy or daddy to pay for stuff while they are getting started.

What if you make just enough not to qualify for welfare? I've never heard of getting college completely free while on welfare anyway. Grants pay for some of it, but not all.

Why does everyone think a college degree is some magic bullet? My wife never graduated college and makes a nice 6 figure salary...

The argument that college is the be all end all is so over used and moot.

The fact is that if you want to succeed you will...if you want to put your hand out, and someone gives you something for free, human nature makes it easy to continue doing so.

One of my favorite quotes..Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

This post is very much flawed. You obviously have no idea of how the economy works in this world so i'll try and explain it to you.

If everybody in the world put the effort in and made a nice living for themselves on a '6 figure salary' as you say your wife does, then what do you think will happen???

Brett Warburton isn't going to sell bread for £1.20 a loaf if he knows everyone's got £500K in the bank is he.

The economy can't work if everyone was rich because we'd have hyperinflation.

And that's why the rich have to subsidise the poor, because no matter how hard everyone tries, the system won't work if everyone becomes wealthy.

But people who aren't only concerned with their own self interests can see this.

originally posted by: jamespond

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: jamespond

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Not everyone is as fantastic as you. Some people need a little extra help. Maybe they aren't as smart as you. Maybe they have been told all their life that they are worthless, stupid and won't amount to anything, and they ended up believing it. Maybe as a teen girl, they had little self-worth, so they slept with some guys and got pregnant a few times. Now those men might have disappeared and the teen grows up with a family of her own to take care of, no support, trying to feed 3 or 4 kids, and no clue how to get herself out of poverty.

Not everyone is you. Not everyone has had or will have the same experience as you.

Exactly, so why do I have to pay for their mistakes?

Wow, another typical ignorant right wing response.

I'm alright Jack!

Sorry, but did I miss your well thought out response to the OP in this thread somewhere? Or are you just posting one liner drive by's in an attempt to troll?

Talk about ignorant.....

Oooohh, touched a nerve there have I?

Sorry I didn't realise my post was any less thought out than the post of yours that I was responding to.

Geez, talk about double standards. But hey that's the right wingers for ya!

I guess you didn't read all of my responses in this thread, but I guess that should be expected in threads like these with knee-jerk reactions and no real knowledge on the subject....

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Thanks, and I will post this for others in her situation. But, so many services do not cover evening or weekend hours which is what CNA's work a lot. She is lucky she has papa and grandma but how long? I never thought such a thing would happen to my granddaughter. I wish voters, mostly from the right, would stop trying to throw the innocent babies out with the dirty bathwater.

originally posted by: jamespond

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: network dude

And you miss the point. I had help, and someone to encourage me. People in poverty don't have a mommy or daddy to pay for stuff while they are getting started.

What if you make just enough not to qualify for welfare? I've never heard of getting college completely free while on welfare anyway. Grants pay for some of it, but not all.

Why does everyone think a college degree is some magic bullet? My wife never graduated college and makes a nice 6 figure salary...

The argument that college is the be all end all is so over used and moot.

The fact is that if you want to succeed you will...if you want to put your hand out, and someone gives you something for free, human nature makes it easy to continue doing so.

One of my favorite quotes..Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

This post is very much flawed. You obviously have no idea of how the economy works in this world so i'll try and explain it to you.

If everybody in the world put the effort in and made a nice living for themselves on a '6 figure salary' as you say your wife does, then what do you think will happen???

Brett Warburton isn't going to sell bread for £1.20 a loaf if he knows everyone's got £500K in the bank is he.

The economy can't work if everyone was rich because we'd have hyperinflation.

And that's why the rich have to subsidise the poor, because no matter how hard everyone tries, the system won't work if everyone becomes wealthy.

But people who aren't only concerned with their own self interests can see this.

I never said everyone has to be rich. I said live within their means based on responsible choices and owning up to the consequences when a poor choice is made.

What you have in the system is people who have more versus people who have less but want more and are not happy others do have more.

I'd like a 2 month vacation, but alas, there are no programs offering that for me. I work very hard to be where I am. If 40% of my income were not taken to be spent on whatever new govt program to help the less fortunate, then maybe I could enjoy the fruits of my labor.

But people who are only concerned with taking what is not theirs can't seem to understand why they can't have more.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Thanks, and I will post this for others in her situation. But, so many services do not cover evening or weekend hours which is what CNA's work a lot. She is lucky she has papa and grandma but how long? I never thought such a thing would happen to my granddaughter. I wish voters, mostly from the right, would stop trying to throw the innocent babies out with the dirty bathwater.

Yeah, unfortunately the programs are only geared towards typical work hours. She could maybe request those hours or go to work for a company that will allow them, like the private care type of outfits.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: kaylaluv

Why ask me? I'm not in poverty either. (if it works for you, I might as well use that lame excuse too)

Then what the hell are you complaining about? How did you make money? were you given handouts and charity? Are you just lucky? Or did you work for it?

I was indeed lucky. My parents paid for my college education. They also helped me financially once I graduated until I could adequately support myself. I wasn't born in poverty and neither were my parents. That doesn't mean I can't have some empathy for people who are born in poverty, with multiple generations of poverty, where college is just a pipe dream, and the only perceived way out of poverty is a life of crime.

No no. You feel guilty for being successful dont you? People in poverty do need a leg up but there has to be a cut off point otherwise it keep repeating. College also needs to be brought back to its almost no cost ways. make all colleges public colleges just like public school. That might help but the boards of thos ecolleges are too used to all that money from the sports world.

You cant defeat the right, because then, there's no one left to clean the mess the left usually creates...



Yin Yang.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: jamespond

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: network dude

And you miss the point. I had help, and someone to encourage me. People in poverty don't have a mommy or daddy to pay for stuff while they are getting started.

What if you make just enough not to qualify for welfare? I've never heard of getting college completely free while on welfare anyway. Grants pay for some of it, but not all.

Why does everyone think a college degree is some magic bullet? My wife never graduated college and makes a nice 6 figure salary...

The argument that college is the be all end all is so over used and moot.

The fact is that if you want to succeed you will...if you want to put your hand out, and someone gives you something for free, human nature makes it easy to continue doing so.

One of my favorite quotes..Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

This post is very much flawed. You obviously have no idea of how the economy works in this world so i'll try and explain it to you.

If everybody in the world put the effort in and made a nice living for themselves on a '6 figure salary' as you say your wife does, then what do you think will happen???

Brett Warburton isn't going to sell bread for £1.20 a loaf if he knows everyone's got £500K in the bank is he.

The economy can't work if everyone was rich because we'd have hyperinflation.

And that's why the rich have to subsidise the poor, because no matter how hard everyone tries, the system won't work if everyone becomes wealthy.

But people who aren't only concerned with their own self interests can see this.

I never said everyone has to be rich. I said live within their means based on responsible choices and owning up to the consequences when a poor choice is made.

What you have in the system is people who have more versus people who have less but want more and are not happy others do have more.

I'd like a 2 month vacation, but alas, there are no programs offering that for me. I work very hard to be where I am. If 40% of my income were not taken to be spent on whatever new govt program to help the less fortunate, then maybe I could enjoy the fruits of my labor.

But people who are only concerned with taking what is not theirs can't seem to understand why they can't have more.

You said that "if people want to succeed they will" that's what you said, and i'm here to tell you that statement is bull.

Plenty of people out there try ridiculously hard and fail, and through no fault of their own either. I've lost count of how many stories i've read in the newspapers about single parents who are juggling sometimes up to 3 jobs at a time just to stay above the poverty line.

So please don't try and tell me that all anyone needs to be successful is a bit of effort! Because that's typical right wing propoganda.

Like i said before , the system can't handle everyone becoming a success, it just isn't meant for that, no matter what.

You say people should live within their means but have you ever though what your life would be like if all you had any talent for was minimum wage work? Do you think you could be happy if all the money you had was just enough to survive with? Have you thought what it would be like to work 40+ hours per week and have no money for any luxuries?

And this is the issue, far too many people who benefit from the current system are too close minded to give any thought for anyone but themselves, and as far as they're concerned anyone on benefits is just a bum who's too lazy to work.

All right wing BS in my book!

thanks for telling us how to defeat the left.

both sides are jokes who work off of emotion and ideological stupidity. the only time facts matter to either side is when said facts support a side's particular opinion regardless of overwhelming facts to the contrary. fantastic job doing what your government overloards want you to do.

a reply to: jamespond

You are over looking a big stumbling block to self help self employment. Government regulation licenses .

NYC cab business license $ 1/2 mil + car
back water southwest city $ 2000 + car

Just try and make breakfast burritos and sell at construction sites or businesses . We had a quite a few people do that (one put her kids threw school) here never got sick they were put out of business by fees inspectors ect. The others got po ed and just did the welfare thing. The licensed meal wagon are notorious for making people sick the meal wagon company owns 10 trucks that cover the county. Dont try to cut into this business . Ahh governmental rules at work .

Now very few if any homemade single food sellers out there no homemade tamales $10/12for sale or breads pies pizza or burritos. Thank You big government looking out for us.

Many residential areas have codes barring home business and fines for doing so in some areas. Start ups at home are difficult .

Just like the little kids who want to sell lemonade to better themselves or to donate it costs more in fees and licenses and inspection than they could make.

Our system is broke . Period To solely blame DNC or GOP is naive . And just lets the creeps who caused this condition to keep it going.

originally posted by: jamespond

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: jamespond

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: network dude

And you miss the point. I had help, and someone to encourage me. People in poverty don't have a mommy or daddy to pay for stuff while they are getting started.

What if you make just enough not to qualify for welfare? I've never heard of getting college completely free while on welfare anyway. Grants pay for some of it, but not all.

Why does everyone think a college degree is some magic bullet? My wife never graduated college and makes a nice 6 figure salary...

The argument that college is the be all end all is so over used and moot.

The fact is that if you want to succeed you will...if you want to put your hand out, and someone gives you something for free, human nature makes it easy to continue doing so.

One of my favorite quotes..Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

This post is very much flawed. You obviously have no idea of how the economy works in this world so i'll try and explain it to you.

If everybody in the world put the effort in and made a nice living for themselves on a '6 figure salary' as you say your wife does, then what do you think will happen???

Brett Warburton isn't going to sell bread for £1.20 a loaf if he knows everyone's got £500K in the bank is he.

The economy can't work if everyone was rich because we'd have hyperinflation.

And that's why the rich have to subsidise the poor, because no matter how hard everyone tries, the system won't work if everyone becomes wealthy.

But people who aren't only concerned with their own self interests can see this.

I never said everyone has to be rich. I said live within their means based on responsible choices and owning up to the consequences when a poor choice is made.

What you have in the system is people who have more versus people who have less but want more and are not happy others do have more.

I'd like a 2 month vacation, but alas, there are no programs offering that for me. I work very hard to be where I am. If 40% of my income were not taken to be spent on whatever new govt program to help the less fortunate, then maybe I could enjoy the fruits of my labor.

But people who are only concerned with taking what is not theirs can't seem to understand why they can't have more.

You said that "if people want to succeed they will" that's what you said, and i'm here to tell you that statement is bull.

Plenty of people out there try ridiculously hard and fail, and through no fault of their own either. I've lost count of how many stories i've read in the newspapers about single parents who are juggling sometimes up to 3 jobs at a time just to stay above the poverty line.

So please don't try and tell me that all anyone needs to be successful is a bit of effort! Because that's typical right wing propoganda.

Like i said before , the system can't handle everyone becoming a success, it just isn't meant for that, no matter what.

You say people should live within their means but have you ever though what your life would be like if all you had any talent for was minimum wage work? Do you think you could be happy if all the money you had was just enough to survive with? Have you thought what it would be like to work 40+ hours per week and have no money for any luxuries?

And this is the issue, far too many people who benefit from the current system are too close minded to give any thought for anyone but themselves, and as far as they're concerned anyone on benefits is just a bum who's too lazy to work.

All right wing BS in my book!

Same bleeding heart liberal BS in my book.

I love the single parent excuse...that is one of the best. It is even better when they have 2 or 3 kids and even better when none of them have the same father. Sounds as if bad choices were made somewhere along the line, yet the expectation is for everyone in the country to care and help all the time.

So, maybe education on how to make good decisions should be mandatory before benefits are given. Maybe prior to becoming a single parent some sort of class should be mandatory.

Please let me know how I, personally, benefit from a system that takes 40% of my income and gives nothing back to me. How, exactly, is this beneficial to me?

I'll tell you....I dont. I work hard and live within my means. I benefit from working hard....not the system you seem to have an issue with.

Oh...and I don't have to think what it would be like just barely making it by...I did it for a while. Lived in a car and worked from 4:30 am until 3:30 PM 6 days a week. Showered in gas station bathroom sinks or showers when they had them. Spare me the bleeding heart diatribe....

Since it has now been a day or two at least and I see that the argument still rages on with no defeat in sight, not even surrender ...

Shouldn't this thread be put in the HOAX bin?

originally posted by: ketsuko
Since it has now been a day or two at least and I see that the argument still rages on with no defeat in sight, not even surrender ...

Shouldn't this thread be put in the HOAX bin?

Nope...needs to stay right here. Funny thing is I'm not even on the right except for certain issues...others, people would consider me left.

Personally, labels are crap. I don't fit in any of them because I have very strong views on issues from all sides.