President Obama Orders Behavioral Experiments On American Public

a reply to: Aliensun


Well they are befuddled. Big Bro cant understand why and how so many see thorough the BS and will not conform even under a withering barrage of BS form every angle. So.....got to run more experiments to find out what makes John Doe tick. Yet every time they do it only seems to strengthen Doe's resolve and hardheadedness. They always ask themselves "how did the Nazis do it"?

a reply to: C21H30O2I

Piece in place.



Perfect fit.

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
a reply to: TonyS

Would you consider it just as benign if it was an executive order signed by Donald Trump or Dick Cheney?

Oh gosh, this is soooooo true...
imagine if it was George Bush after he got off the phone with Bibi.

a reply to: randyvs

haha the world, is CTD! Everything is an illusion! thanks for posting!

Yes, you're all right, I get it now. When your Mom played "Here comes the airplane, open the hangar" to get you to eat your carrots, she was worse than Hitler.

a reply to: DJW001

I actually loved carrots! And guess what, I still do. lol But really George Carlin was great!

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
a reply to: TonyS

Would you consider it just as benign if it was an executive order signed by Donald Trump or Dick Cheney?

Yes. You do realize that but for nuance of style, they're all on the same team and if they aren't, they're quickly schooled by the people and powers who are really in charge.

Reading many of these posts, once again, I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.

What scares more of you more? The word "behavioral" or the word "science"?

Governments (including political parties (yes, Republicans and Libertarians too)), churches, temples and mosques have been using "behavioral science" to control populations for millennia.

Obama makes a move to save the People money, make government more efficient, and keep some folks out of trouble, and it's a deeply secret communist/marxist/atheist/socialist/fascist plot (yes, I know in many of your minds those all mean the same thing) to mind-control your grandmas and their chihuahuas.

It seems I'm choosing laughter. Bully.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I'm glad you're amused. I laugh in the general direction of your amusement.

So you're telling me we shouldn't even bother looking behind the curtain?

Governments (including political parties (yes, Republicans and Libertarians too)), churches, temples and mosques have been using "behavioral science" to control populations for millennia.

And each and every one of these power groups have been shown to be corrupt at the highest levels. They accumulate power merely for the sake of having it and seek to maintain and grow that power exponentially in perpetuity without a care from whence the power and ability to control come nor about what damage may be done in it's seeking.

Let's take another look at the concept and what is said about it in published literature:

A growing body of literature attempts to assess the merits of nudging in health care. However, this literature deals almost exclusively with health policy, while the question of the potential benefit of nudging for the practice of informed consent has escaped systematic analysis. This article focuses on this question. While it concedes that nudging could amount to improper exploitation of cognitive weaknesses, it defends the practice of nudging in a wide range of other conditions.

emphasis mine

Nudging and Informed Consent

Granted the "could" qualifier shows that in most cases, the application of nudging is beneficial; but it does indeed also carry the possibility that the "improper exploitation of cognitive weaknesses" would be the outcome. Is this not something to consider?

Furthermore this implies that there is a proper exploitation of cognitive weaknesses, which I suppose would be all those feel good sayings that get us to do the right thing.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

If by "looking behind the curtain" you mean searching for actual facts and correlations that are logical and make sense, then, no, I have no issue with that, in fact, as I am on a conspiracy site, I applaud it.

That's not what's happening here.

You cite a reference to a philosophical concern in bioethics. To the bioethics community, I'm sure that's ... important.

The rest of your presentation is "could" "might be" "possibility" etc. As I suggested above, supposition.

Yes, generally speaking, religion and politics fosters corruption. Should we all run and hide?

The EO under discussion was misrepresented in an extremist political medium. The facts do not bear out any of this ... supposition.

Unless you have facts you're not sharing?

PS: Unless you're trying to ironically refer to a Monty Python skit ... your first sentence is just plain silly.

originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: C21H30O2I

Big Brother takes a giant step into directed social engineering.

Nah, they just made it legal now. The step was taken a long time ago.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Hi Buddy:

IMHO, this all ties together with our little investigation into Mind Control - and the myriad of rabbit holes - that was triggered by the 'apparent attack' on Harald Krueger, the new CEO of BMW.

Of course, all the original examples have been explained away by the resident doctors/experts here on ATS, but the research has expanded into tying these mind control gambits together with JADE HELM2 … a work in process.

We would appreciate your keen insight.

Was Harald Krueger, the CEO of BMW, Attacked by a Mind Control Weapon?

Thank you for your time and consideration… and post a pic of that famous tree!


With great respect,
tfw
Peace Light Love

a reply to: thorfourwinds

Do you have any evidence that links President Obama's Executive Order that was misrepresented in the OP with your other thread regarding ... mind control "weapons"?

I'd love to see that ... actual evidence.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: C21H30O2I

Notice that no secret experiments on the public have been authorized; instead it is making funding available to behavioral researchers who are trying to figure out how to create incentives for the public to pay their taxes on time, stop smoking, obey traffic regulations and so forth. You can read more about Thaler and Behavioral Economics here:

New York Times "puff piece."

Buckle up for the Obamacare will put a microchip in your brain crowd...

Yes, there is nothing sinister in actually examining and scrutinizing if programs work or not and then asking how they can make them better.

originally posted by: TonyS

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
a reply to: TonyS

Would you consider it just as benign if it was an executive order signed by Donald Trump or Dick Cheney?

Yes. You do realize that but for nuance of style, they're all on the same team and if they aren't, they're quickly schooled by the people and powers who are really in charge.

I do. I'm just a little surprised that so many don't see a problem with this. The government wants to study ways to influence the behavior of American citizens.

Shouldn't it be the other way around? Aren't the American people supposed to be influencing the government to do what we want? Are we to assume that the government seeks to influence the people for the best interests of the people? Or is the government trying to influence people for the best interests of the government?

Do you think that a Dick Cheyney administration would be trying to get people to clean up the environment or pay their taxes on time, or would they be looking for the best way to sell the American people on the next Middle East war?

a reply to: VictorVonDoom

I do. I'm just a little surprised that so many don't see a problem with this. The government wants to study ways to influence the behavior of American citizens.

I'm not.

It's been par for the course from the crowd that thinks the current government can do no wrong.

And it does plenty wrong, and the topic is a prime example of it.

Would we rather have the MK ULTRA we know about, or the MK ULTRA we don't know about?

I think that's what it kind of comes down to.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Obama makes a move to save the People money, make government more efficient, and keep some folks out of trouble, and it's a deeply secret communist/marxist/atheist/socialist/fascist plot (yes, I know in many of your minds those all mean the same thing) to mind-control your grandmas and their chihuahuas.

I'm sure somebody actually ran the numbers, but I can't find the data.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Would we rather have the MK ULTRA we know about, or the MK ULTRA we don't know about?

I think that's what it kind of comes down to.

I choose having neither.

They already mess with peoples minds enough with politics.

a reply to: neo96

Yah they do muddy everything up. But I do like to think I know. MystikMushroom's right. and no matter how muddy, I wanna know. enemy closer an stuff?