Refugee Apocalypse

a reply to: ParanoidCovKid

I as well as others no doubt appreciate your candor and first hand opinions on this suspenseful issue. Your post reminded me of a video I saw here on ATS I think from Britain, it was about the Muslim neighborhood where a gent was filming, or trying to to show the world at large the horrible conditions set up in a free country, a proud and progressive country when Sharia law rules rather than your own.

Not sure where this will lead in the future but talking about it, openly discussing it is the first step, it is affecting all of us, it is on our doorsteps and yet we have had no say, no vote as to the right way to deal with our own issues or this great challenge.

a reply to: eletheia

Right thank you for that, I considered placing a boatload of these types of videos as well as some positive strides and sad stories, humanitarian stories into the op, yet figured it is so damned muddled that to find the truth, to find the higher road was just not easy to lay out in a single thread.

a reply to: ParanoidCovKid

Thank you, your thoughts and feelings are shared by the majority, even though you had no say in how this played out or will continue to in the future.

It is not that you are heartless, a sociopath with no concern for your fellow man. But as stated by another in this thread from Britain, why take in all these refugees all the while ignoring the growing economic situation among your own people?

NightSkyeB4Dawn is truly articulate and has some very strong points, be sure and read their posts in this thread.

a reply to: ParanoidCovKid

Yet what i want to know was why now do they want to help?? Where has this need been to help in the past, why havent they wanted to help our own homeless get rehoused, why havent they been passionate about supporting ex military that need rehoused and helped back into society. Why havent they helped with their millions to help the elderly of my country?

In a perfect world our rules, laws and regulation created back in 51 were great, yet now it seems our goodwill is being used against us in this crisis.

I think both of you have help me identify what is causing the foul taste in my mouth about this whole business.

I want to feel love and compassion for these people and I feel a certain level of guilt, that what I feel is offended and distrustful. Admittedly the only thing I have to go on is what I see posted on the internet, and I know how manipulative and deceitful the internet can be. So I am still hoping that the people that are true refugees will prove me wrong.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Hi friend i just came back online as struggling to sleep. I would agree with what your saying totally! I am a generous and a willing to help person myself but i do have a mistrust towards the refugees, and granted im sure there are genuine ones that want to better their life, but with the media covering up the fact of these refugees being this way and me having to find out by third parties sharing videos of the crisis of them being every oposite to what the media is portraying. I dont see women and children in need, i see a violent wild mob wanting to enter the country and mostly men too makes me even more mistrusting and suspicious of their actual agenda.i fear for the innocent in my country because god knows how many actual terrorists get in with their hate preaching and trying to convert the muslims. And talking about muslims what i forgot to mention was there is a certain minority here that have become very mistrusting towards all muslims out of fear. When ISIS said they was going to invade our lands with ISIS troops and we would let them in with open arms many months ago i never quite imagined it would be like this. Im all for helping people in need but this is something else?

And i want to know the governments full agenda and why they want to still let these refugees in even after knowing all these facts. Are they trying to start a civil war? At this point im just left with more questions than answers, but the one thing i will stand firm on though is my mistrust towards them and to not want them being let in the country.

a reply to: antar

Thanks my friend for your gracious words and ill be sure to read these posts now before i try and get some more sleep again

a reply to: ParanoidCovKid
2015

In February, the Islamic State threatened to send half a million Muslim migrants in a ‘psychological’ attack against the West.

- See more at: pamelageller.com...

But while E.U. officials anguish over the plight of people crossing the Mediterranean to get to Europe, the migration has proved an invaluable business opportunity for groups like ISIS. So valuable that international crime experts believe ISIS might have launched some attacks specifically in order to drive people to flee, and then profit from their flight.

And back in July, I warned that hundreds of ISIS members planned on infiltrating Europe, together with masses of refugees from Libya, Syria, and Iraq. Already in March, a top Libyuan general was warning that ISIS could use Libya as a jumping-off point for a European invasion. General Khalifa Haftar, head of the Libyan army, warned that Islamic State (ISIS) terrorists running rampant in the north African state are set to infiltrate Europe and expand their reign of terror into the West. ISIS will “spread in even the European countries if (the West) does not offer real help to the Libyan people, especially the Libyan army,” he told the Associated Press. He warned the ISIS terrorists “will head with the illegal migrants to Europe, where corruption and destruction will spread just like Libya. But there it will be hard to confront them.”

Again found your post worthy of taking a deeper look into, this was what came up first on my search with your terms. It would be difficult to think that I would be thinking the way I do if only you knew me in past years. I also want to think the best of all people and do not wish to harm the many because of the few. In this instance who prove to be the few verses the many will shock civil society I have a sinking feeling of.

a reply to: antar

About your post defining what a refugee is....all on the media you can see all these refugees in no fear what so ever, they dont look malnourished, they have decent clothing, backpacks with extra recourses and even have smartphones!! They dont look in need at All! And to be honest only a small minority are actually from Syria, the rest are from all round the 3rd world claiming to be from syria to take advantage of the entire system as we know none of them will have IDs and documents to prove who they are. And the most important thing that irates me the most is the media constantly going on about the woman and children and all u see is males everywhere.

a reply to: ParanoidCovKid

One of the pictures in the link above that I found through your post, shows exactly what you are saying now as are thousands of internet pictures of refugees. I have seen pictures of beaten down, emaciated and starving looking women, but not in the crowds bursting at the seams getting into the EU and soon to be the vast majority of countries worldwide.

I support every nation who closes their borders to these people. They have one agenda and that is to populate, destroy the current governments in Europe and install Muslim governments. The sick or injured can be dealt with, women with children but no men of fighting age. If they do not want to fight for their homes then they will not be any good in Europe, for any nation.

I am glad some countries have wizened up to this fact. Its a shame we have Obama as President right now. Oh well, they can start whatever, we have more than enough bullets for all of them.

Bottom line is that if this was a planned invasion of Isis fighters mixed in with war torn refugees, and that it was openly stated before hand, long before, then the Caliphate truly is running the show. When people think in terms of the Global elite as some white haired balding fat cat out on a yacht, perhaps they might want to change that visual from here forth.

a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

One example of what i got from your post can be found in this article:

Sharia law entered Europe after World War II when the weakened European nations withdrew from their colonies, bringing to Europe their former colonial subjects as refugees and cheap labor from such Muslim nations as Pakistan (UK), Turkey (Germany) and Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia (France).

Initially, Sharia law was applied discretely within the small Muslim enclaves of Europe. But after two generations of high birth rate and immigration into Europe, those enclaves have grown to where the Sharia law now challenges the Judeo-Christian foundations of their host European nations.

Sharia law is spreading almost unopposed in the former pro-Hitler nations, where lingering guilt over the Jewish holocaust now protects Sharia, seen as the law of another religious minority. Sharia courts presided by Muslim "peace judges" now dot Germany, where even non-Muslim German judges in German courts cite Sharia law and quote from the Quran to uphold polygamy and husbands' right to beat wives when judging cases involving Muslims.

This is not the only instance of sharia law and how it has been the secret courts that were above the laws of the Western states including but not limited to America.

www.billionbibles.org...

a reply to: antar

Thank you for looking deeper into my post to find and research what i was putting across, their certainly is a hidden agenda by ISIS here. I would say about 2 thirds of Britain is saying NO to letting them in but the government has not even let us have a fair vote, they are just doing what they want so i do believe a civil war could break out maybe next year when all these things intensify because the British people are sick to death of the government. And on that note im going back to bed now so good night friend. Its nice to meet a mature level headed peraon that actually looks into things

I have just watched the news and its frightening ... the "refugees"

are not asking for help they are demanding their rights. It

appears they are dismantling the barriers put up by Hungary and

the police behind the barrier are out numbered by the fit young

men with fit young men on their shoulders shouting and

demanding to be allowed in.

IF and when they break through the barrier will the 'outnumbered

police' shoot these unarmed men? Will that be murder or self

defence?

It looks more like an *invasion* than a people seeking refuge.


Scaling the situation down to a one to one situation ... I can when

out be approached by someone down on their luck for some cash,

and I am free to give them something or refuse ... or that same

person can threaten me and just take my bag!!

In my eyes the first is refugee status ... the second is criminal?

I'm one who sees all kinds of problems and conflicts arising from this wave of refugees....I also have expressed my suspicion for a long time that Islam may be arising to become a much bigger and powerful religion (the way Christianity once did).

But I don't see it as the end of the world! Geez, look at humanity's long history! Weve been through crazy times, we've been through terrible conflicts... through invasions and take overs... and humanity continues.

I get confused when some react to my perception of problems with accusations of being a hateful irrational drama queen - but seeing posts like the OP explain that somewhat. One can percieve conflict and problem without going to extremes!

a reply to: eletheia

I feel for you, one important thought to be said is that my concerns run deeply for the Countries and States which removed all gun rights and gave those rights to their police and military only.

We have all witnessed the systematic dismantling of American gun rights and the muddy waters of new laws on the books which have yet to be implemented until such time as civil unrest or some disaster declared calls for martial law.

The police and the military are not capable of controlling this invasion!

Is this where the UN comes in and calls the shots?

Despite the European Commission's announcement requiring 22 out of 28 member countries to take in refugees, opposing countries: Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania and Denmark have stood firm in refusing to accept these numbers of migrants.

www.foodworldnews.com...


US committee for refugees and immigrants:

For questions about refugee warehousing, please visit our Refugee Warehousing FAQ page.

www.refugees.org...?referrer=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1084419/pg1

What really bothers me is that the few countries which are 'attempting' to refuse refugees, are being punished and shamed for not going along. The link above gives details of the countries who are refusing, it is almost certain that these countries will have to relent in the near future by the global new world stands and by the collapse of their borders.

This is getting real my friends.

Just saw out on the front page where the thread titled isis flags being flown by refugees has been placed in the hoax bin. Ok so that is a strong indication we should keep a firm footing and level head, a skeptical mind about anything related to this incursion/ flight of refugees , asylum seekers and immigrants.

Emotions will continue to rise as stories and even possible set ups against the refugees , asylum seekers and immigrants. (Set up by Isis or even our own people and Governments , like the fake UFO videos, individuals trying either hoax and hurt or create some false evidence to push the disclose along and gain 'believers")...

Points which have been raised in this thread way heavy on my mind, comments such wondering why Governments are allowing, housing and caring for not to mention spending millions of dollars to allow the flow of refugees , asylum seekers and immigrants, when those countries are already suffering from economic struggles, debt, unemployment and housing issues. Also stated as our own children go to bed hungry, without ample food in their bellies then why are we doing this for others who inevitably will have certain inalienable rights just because they arrived on our shores and were escorted through our borders?

Ok back to work! Talk/read later.

The UN could arrange places for them.

The situation is created by our Western, mainly US, toppling of foreign moderate governments and funding terrorist cells. They are creating this and then bringing the terrorists into our countries.

What makes my jaw drop is that all the leaders of all the countries are allowing this.


CLOSE YOUR BORDERS AND DISCLOSE TO THE WORLD WHAT THE US AND UK MONSTERS ARE DOING AND THEIR PLANS.

NEVER GIVE INTO TO TYRANTS EVEN IF THEY USE THE TOP HIDDEN TECHNOLOGY. EXPOSE AND SHAME THEM AND ENSURE EVERYONE STANDS UP AGAINST THEM.

a reply to: antar

Where I live, I have seen over 10 of my neighbors loose their homes due to economic fiascos here in the United States. Housing bubbles, jobs being taken out of country, cost of living going through the roof, and incomes not keeping up with the escalation. Banks refusing loans to citizens, and families struggling all round.

We can't accommodate our own. Bringing in hostile immigrants is guaranteed to cause severe communal unrest. This sets up the perfect scenario for TPTB to have a welcomed and legitamate excuse for taking total control.

Nothing about this madness makes any sense. I think again we are being dupped, manipulated, corralled, and culled.

My gut is rarely wrong, it is singing like the fat lady in the opera, and my Spidey senses are going haywire. I see nothing good coming out of this. It is like they are deliberately opening the gates of Armageddon.