Price Tag of Bernie Sanders’s Proposals: $18 Trillion

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: amicktd
Personally, I wouldn't care if Bernie's plans cost 100 trillion dollars. At least he makes me feel he cares about the American people and not the corporations.

Great, so feelings now dictate who should be elected instead of reality , sounds like Trump follower logic......

Were screwed

That was a little harsh, but I guess you applied that same Trump follower logic with Rand?

Nope, I follow Rand because his voting history, and his actions are backed up by what he says.......unlike trump, who resembles a waffle maker, appeals to the lowest common denominator with bombastic rhetoric, whith NOTHING to back his words up

but hey thanks for trying

You're the only one who brought up Trump, but ok nice deflection.
The thread is about Bernie Sanders in case you missed that part.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Ain't feelings special?
I don't care about actual real world practicality, "WOT BOUT MAH FEELINGZ."
Bane of the World.

Actually, I'd say that a lack of feelings is the bane of the world.

Feelings are great, but if I allowed my feelings to rule me, I'd be broke inside a couple hours at best.

Yes, let's pay more in taxes to go to free college than we would have paid if college wasn't free, to get degrees that are useless since everyone has. It will be great hunting for jobs with our masters degrees that are as useful as a GED.

Sounds like a beautiful liberal socialist utopia, cant wait!

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
It seems like if you are upset about how much you are paying in taxes, you need to work harder and make more money. The top income quintile can write pretty much everything off.

Paying to much in taxes? You're not making enough money. I have a friend that was able to write off and pay pay only 6% of his income in taxes last year, and 3% the year before. How can people paying tax rates like that support a functioning government?

Hmmm... a family of 4 making under $50,000 last year paid negative taxes. Negative tax rates still equal less contribution than positive tax rates last I checked.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Reallyfolks

Then that means my original assertion that it is future debt is true. So, I'm not sure why you corrected me when I said that.

Debt is the product of borrowing money, unfunded liabilities are not counted as debt. Sorry go look at definitions on investopedia or something. Two different things.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Ain't feelings special?
I don't care about actual real world practicality, "WOT BOUT MAH FEELINGZ."
Bane of the World.

Actually, I'd say that a lack of feelings is the bane of the world.

Yet no nation has ever gone belly up following pragmatic policies and logical standards... how many socialist nations' demise have been immediately preceded by some massive hysterics that involved an emotionally driven seizure of assets and an equally emotionally driven redistribution downward, creating hyperinflation and causing their Atlases to shrug?
Argentina
Zimbabwe
Greece
The Soviet Bloc nations
The Congo

Socialism is an emotionally driven political zilch of a system. It directly leads to bad monetary policy, has a crippling effect on growth, and leads to hyperinflation. Even Communist China has largely been moving away from socialist monetary policy in an effort to stem the collapse of their currency and markets.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

So your against income equality and free education because a family of uneducated low income people don't pay any taxes?

IMHO If they were educated i.e. via a free education and if the average worker made more money because of income equality they would be taxpayers.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

So all of these poor families under $50,000 a year are draining on the country, yet the top .1% are skirting the system through off shore banking, tax loop holes and other "creative accounting" methods...And we're supposed to admire and defend these people?

Meanwhile, middle class people are picking up the tab. Got it.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

You forgot Venezuela. Everyone seems to be ignoring its very painful demise and it's doing all those things you mentioned as we speak.

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: burdman30ott6

So your against income equality and free education because a family of uneducated low income people don't pay any taxes?

IMHO If they were educated i.e. via a free education and if the average worker made more money because of income equality they would be taxpayers.

If we were to implement all of Sanders programs like free education. What responsibilities would the beneficiaries of these programs have in order to receive this money from tax payers

a reply to: AlaskanDad

Income inequality is not a bad thing.

Explain to me again why a neurosurgeon and a hamburger flipper out to be making the same amount.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
Socialism is an emotionally driven political zilch of a system.

You think it's not emotionally driven because YOU FEEL that it's logical, but it's not. Conservatives are even MORE emotional from my point of view.

It's always YOU YOU YOU and who cares about the rest because "I" made it.

Socialists aren't manipulated to be that way, they are that way because they feel it's more worth it overall.
Both sides are just as emotional.

So you're saying that giving our people healthcare and providing adequate safety nets and providing free education will cost less than all of the wars and welfare we have given to the military industrial complex combined?

I'll take it

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: AlaskanDad

Income inequality is not a bad thing.

Explain to me again why a neurosurgeon and a hamburger flipper out to be making the same amount.

First explain to me why CEO's make so much more than said neurosurgeon???

Then we should discuss the fact that the topic of this thread is "Sanders wants to spend 18 T dollars to make a better US of A".

originally posted by: theMediator

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
Socialism is an emotionally driven political zilch of a system.

You think it's not emotionally driven because you FEEL that it's logical, but it's not. Conservatives are even MORE emotional from my point of view.

It's always YOU YOU YOU and f**k the rest because "I" made it.

Socialists aren't manipulated that way, they are that way because they feel it's more worth it overall.
Both sides are just as emotional.

Just because you "feel" something is more worth it does not mean it is.

Please explain using sound reasoning why it is more worth it, and that might convince me. But in practice, I see socialism as a society run by the numbers and on the bell curve. So long as you are not an outlier on any of those curves, society will seem to be great to you, but as soon as anything falls outside the numerical most common and you become a nail ... you get pounded.

There is no room for you, only the Greater Good. And you are sacrificed to it. It makes you feel all altruistic now, but wait until you're on the chopping block and all it would take is on tiny exception, one easy little choice outside the norm to accommodate to keep you happy. Then the Greater Good isn't all that great after all.

originally posted by: AlaskanDad

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: AlaskanDad

Income inequality is not a bad thing.

Explain to me again why a neurosurgeon and a hamburger flipper out to be making the same amount.

First explain to me why CEO's make so much more than said neurosurgeon???

Then we should discuss the fact that the topic of this thread is "Sanders wants to spend 18 T dollars to make a better US of A".

Explain to me where the $18 trillion comes from. You could not begin to confiscate that much. Not even if you flat out took everything from everyone.

a reply to: Metallicus

You see you don’t know much about Bernie.

Just conservative, self centered, selfish dogma that all progressives are evil and we must support the rich class ONLY


Bernie himself said HE CANT DO IT ALONE even if elected.

He said the people must help him even then to sway a congress who live and breath for the rich corporate class NOT the ordinary people

originally posted by: muse7
So you're saying that giving our people healthcare and providing adequate safety nets and providing free education will cost less than all of the wars and welfare we have given to the military industrial complex combined?

I'll take it

At $1.2T for global annual defense, it's still cheaper to do that than what Bernie wants.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: AlaskanDad

Income inequality is not a bad thing.

Explain to me again why a neurosurgeon and a hamburger flipper out to be making the same amount.

This is why equality of outcomes or even opportunity are self-defeating. Should they receive the same education? What is the purpose of the burger flipping position, a career opportunity or a stepping stone?

It simply can't be known how a person might choose to live their life. The only way to reliably predict their behavior is to dictate it and no innovation has ever taken place under directed conscious prescription much less duress.

To take this analogy into the national socialist realm, when a country happens to be sitting on a boon of natural resources, why should they be allowed to hog all of those diamonds, gold, oil, etc... that booty should be equally shared among all covetous glommers on in and about the world.

The reasoning is identical.

a reply to: ketsuko

There are many articles that point out Sanders economic plans, if you are in fact interested I suggest using a search engine and spend a little time educating yourself, it's free!

Why would you want the information from a liberal like me.

I say he should just make money like the FED does, though Sander has his own ideas.