Price Tag of Bernie Sanders’s Proposals: $18 Trillion

People used to argue whether government should interfere with individual rights. Now people just accept the fact that government should and the only thing we argue about is the cost.

People that defend the rich must somehow think that someday they too can and will be rich and join that club. If they just show their value, work harder -- they too will be rewarded with riches.

Or they somehow think they are a part of that club already? I've known people that think they are popular by hanging around truly popular people. The thing is, they're not popular -- they're pathetic sycophants. They're nothing more than servants to the ones they idolize and will never have what the people they worship have.

It doesn't work that way. Just because you work hard and try to show your value doesn't mean you will join the elite ranks of the wealthy. If anything, you will be taken advantage of and used up.

"Well, he seems to enjoy working 12 hours a day. *shrug* Why pay him anymore than he's already making? He hasn't asked for anything more or demanded anything from us...?"

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: amicktd
a reply to: greencmp

How much has been spent on war?

$2 Trillion dollars...
www.reuters.com...

...which is approximately equal to what the US spent on Social Security, Medicare, and social welfare in 2014, alone.
www.cbpp.org...

Yup. There's a reason you don't see entitlement and military spending on the same pie chart, it ruins the narrative!

Well when I went to the military I became government property, gave up the majority of choices I could make to have others make them for me. Followed what I was told without question unless some serious circumstances, could be deployed at no notiice, had no say in where I lived and so on. Do we really want to put the military entitlement people and civilian entitlement on equal footing?

originally posted by: neveroddoreven99
a reply to: AlaskanDad

Elites should pay 40%? Why should they pay more than you or me? What's the incentive to become wealthy? Let's pretend I own a business. My business is doing well, and it's not even Wal MArt or Mcdonalds! I know, pretty shocking that small businesses still exist, huh? But we're doing okay. In fact, we could even expand and provide for jobs to our local economy! Oh, except it makes more sense to NOT make more money because we'd effectively be working harder for the same pay thanks to your tax tier.
You see this mentality all the time in those who are on unemployment. They won't take just any job because they "earn" more by receiving benefits. It's the same reason people working in the service industry don't report their cash tips. Only someone with absolutely no grasp on reality would fail to understand that.

If you read the post that I replied to, you would see that I am stating they should pay the same amount of taxes as ATS member Vassa Croe state he is paying. As for the incentive to be wealthy, that is simply greed.

a reply to: amicktd

Right. And who makes these loopholes? The people that can afford to buy politicians and use lobbyists to submit already written legislation!

When you are rich an powerful, you use that money and power to maintain it by writing the very laws that benefit you the most. Poor people can't get anything passed that benefits them.

When I look at statues and tax codes and even the criminal justice system it's clear to me they were written by the wealthy, to benefit the wealthy.

We are lead by a very tiny fraction of population, and these people have set themselves up fabulously. The average Joe has NO say, NO influence, and NO voice in government.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
People that defend the rich must somehow think that someday they too can and will be rich and join that club. If they just show their value, work harder -- they too will be rewarded with riches.

Or they somehow think they are a part of that club already? I've known people that think they are popular by hanging around truly popular people. The thing is, they're not popular -- they're pathetic sycophants. They're nothing more than servants to the ones they idolize and will never have what the people they worship have.

It doesn't work that way. Just because you work hard and try to show your value doesn't mean you will join the elite ranks of the wealthy. If anything, you will be taken advantage of and used up.

"Well, he seems to enjoy working 12 hours a day. *shrug* Why pay him anymore than he's already making? He hasn't asked for anything more or demanded anything from us...?"

Oh? So we should all just stop working, have government pay us to sit around and try and feel good about that?

Nah. I'm gonna keep working, not because I think I'll get rich, but because those rich guys own a company that's giving me money to enjoy life. Would rather that than live in the projects being told what brand of peanut butter and bread I can buy and of how much on a weekly basis.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

There is another reason for defending the rich...


... they the posters that constantly defend the rich are being paid to defend them and their status quo.

I see all the Republicans left

What happened to the OP?

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: Vasa Croe

It is about time the elite pay their 40%, no free rides for the 1%!

So you want a 3% tax increase for the wealthy?... Not sure it will cover the bill but ...

If you think the 1% pays 37% then you know nothing about the 1%. Right now the 1% pays at best 20%.

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: amicktd
a reply to: greencmp

How much has been spent on war?

$2 Trillion dollars...
www.reuters.com...

...which is approximately equal to what the US spent on Social Security, Medicare, and social welfare in 2014, alone.
www.cbpp.org...

Yup. There's a reason you don't see entitlement and military spending on the same pie chart, it ruins the narrative!

Well when I went to the military I became government property, gave up the majority of choices I could make to have others make them for me. Followed what I was told without question unless some serious circumstances, could be deployed at no notiice, had no say in where I lived and so on. Do we really want to put the military entitlement people and civilian entitlement on equal footing?

Whats your point? I was comparing the cost of wars to the cost of entitlements. Aside from that, you joined the military, and that's kinda what you do until you leave.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: Vasa Croe

It is about time the elite pay their 40%, no free rides for the 1%!

So you want a 3% tax increase for the wealthy?... Not sure it will cover the bill but ...

If you think the 1% pays 37% then you know nothing about the 1%. Right now the 1% pays at best 20%.

And that is still more than anyone else lol.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: Vasa Croe

It is about time the elite pay their 40%, no free rides for the 1%!

So you want a 3% tax increase for the wealthy?... Not sure it will cover the bill but ...

If you think the 1% pays 37% then you know nothing about the 1%. Right now the 1% pays at best 20%.

If you can pull anything from the irs saying that the one percent doesn't pay 37% and the top 50% doesn't pay like 98% cool.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: amicktd
a reply to: greencmp

How much has been spent on war?

$2 Trillion dollars...
www.reuters.com...

...which is approximately equal to what the US spent on Social Security, Medicare, and social welfare in 2014, alone.
www.cbpp.org...

Yup. There's a reason you don't see entitlement and military spending on the same pie chart, it ruins the narrative!

Well when I went to the military I became government property, gave up the majority of choices I could make to have others make them for me. Followed what I was told without question unless some serious circumstances, could be deployed at no notiice, had no say in where I lived and so on. Do we really want to put the military entitlement people and civilian entitlement on equal footing?

Whats your point? I was comparing the cost of wars to the cost of entitlements. Aside from that, you joined the military, and that's kinda what you do until you leave.

I'm well aware of the choices I made but people trying to compare military to entitlement or a socialist system ignore the give and take to get that benefit

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: amicktd

Right. And who makes these loopholes? The people that can afford to buy politicians and use lobbyists to submit already written legislation!

When you are rich an powerful, you use that money and power to maintain it by writing the very laws that benefit you the most. Poor people can't get anything passed that benefits them.

When I look at statues and tax codes and even the criminal justice system it's clear to me they were written by the wealthy, to benefit the wealthy.

We are lead by a very tiny fraction of population, and these people have set themselves up fabulously. The average Joe has NO say, NO influence, and NO voice in government.

Just wanted to share this with everyone once more.

originally posted by: amicktd
I see all the Republicans left

What happened to the OP?

Lunch break over and back to work. Some of us have to support the rest of you

a reply to: Reallyfolks

I hear the military has disinformation units to defend their point of view on internet discussion boards. I can't help but wonder if that is not why you are here?

The Topic is the cost of Sanders ideas to build a better USA.

I find it funny that so many people bitch and moan about the rich and how nobody can ever get there, yet some of the worlds top wealthy are under the age of 40, and these are Billionaires. They weren't groomed there, they are people who start companies and have a vision for greatness and succeed because of it.

Another funny fact is that everyone says that equality in the workplace between men and women is not there, yet almost half of all billionaires in the US are women.

I, personally, would not want to put in the time it takes to get where these people are. I prefer to spend time with my family and friends and not have the headache of running a company. My wife runs her own company and is very successful, but she works 60 hours a week....she loves what she does though, which is what makes the difference.

Anywho...tired of the taxes here....proposing more to give away more is NOT going to get my vote.

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: Reallyfolks

I hear the military has disinformation units to defend their point of view on internet discussion boards. I can't help but wonder if that is not why you are here?

The Topic is the cost of Sanders ideas to build a better USA.

I must be a disinformation agent. Is that really the level of debate to expect. Pointing out reality. And the other reality is when military cuts happen guess who gets hurt. The soldiers. They don't cut research , etc they cut allowances, pay, schools, and so forth. Easy to blame the military, make sure the blame is in the right direction.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: introvert

Imagine a world...

"Dude, you didn't opt for the platinum fire department service? Well, I guess you never figured that your neighbors house would catch yours on fire, and that fire caused by another home wasn't going to be covered under your silver private fire department plan."

Or...

"I hate driving to the other side of town. No one there pays for their own street lamps and it's so dark I'm afraid I won't see the pot holes in the road. You know, not everyone has paid for their own patch of road -- so it's falling apart pretty badly. The only safe places to drive are in the richest areas of town, and I can't drive there...I haven't paid all the people there for access to use their roads..."

Or...

"Hi, 911? My husband is having a heart attack...well yes, I do have 911 coverage. No, I don't have that upgrade...so you're telling me that an ambulance only is a part of the platinum EMS package? What!? He's dying!! No, I can't afford to upgrade now. No, I don't think CPR will work!"

This shows how bad education is.

False dichotomies based on zero understanding of natural law and the human condition.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

No, there would ZERO money in the money supply, because we'd have a supply shock that would cause all personal loans to come due because without any government money, the government cannot insure those loans. It would be a HUGE economic disaster to pay off the debt.