Price Tag of Bernie Sanders’s Proposals: $18 Trillion

a reply to: xuenchen

That is simple ... Unions. That is why a lot of countries following the Nordic Model do not need a minimum wage, wages are kept in check by collective bargaining. With the Republican war on Unions you get what we have now, millions of working poor needing subsidies to survive and the talking heads telling the sheeple its their own fault while businesses turn record profits. A vote for Bernie will fight against this. The 1% is fighting hard to stop his momentum, like the article in the OP ... Don't fall for the BS.

originally posted by: anarkyangel
Yo ignorant inbreed. I bet you want to stay on topic. It feels good to not have to learn anything new in the last 20 years. Deny ignorance.

a reply to: Metallicus

Nice...you sound like someone who is afraid their handouts are about to get taken away or something. What's your beef? You are berating everyone on here and have yet to make a single post on topic. Rage much?

a reply to: Tazkven

So why have the Walmart employees failed to join a Union?

Why do the organizing efforts fail?

Even many Koch Industries employees are in unions.

a reply to: xuenchen

By using fear and lots of false information ...

One former Walmart store manager tells the story that after discovering a pro-union flyer in his store’s men’s room, he informed company headquarters and within 24 hours, an anti-union SWAT team flew to his store in a corporate jet. And when the meat department of a Walmart store in Texas became the retailer’s only operation in the United States to unionize, back in 2000, Walmart announced plans two weeks later to use prepackaged meat and eliminate butchers at that store and 179 others.

How Walmart Persuades Its Workers Not to Unionize

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
I know Americans are adverse to the term "socialism". It's already here and it's called corporate welfare.

Socialism sure is corporate welfare.

Since ALL social programs rob from the rich give to the poor so the poor can out, and buy more stuff.

ALL mandated and made possible by the state.

Money still ends up in the same place.

To put it another way the 'socialists' think the sole function of government is to rob from the rich to pay the poors bills.

Which is not why government exists.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Well, these corporations like Walmart can pay low wages and slash hours, and their employees then qualify for all these hand outs. If Walmart paid more and allowed full-time hours, these people wouldn't qualify for any kind of federal assistance.

The market should dictate wage, as in free market economics.

People really need to stop trying to make a 'universal' wage because not all work is created equal, and with modern technology doing most of that work a difference should still exist.

Skilled labor should always pay at a higher wage well because that person put the time in for them.so there should be a greater reward. That right along with education should guarantee people a better wage.

Unskilled labor wage on the other hands is where a person begins, puts the time, and effort in to raise themselves to the skilled level.

A private company should make those decisions, based on market economics.

originally posted by: neo96
Socialism sure is corporate welfare.

Since ALL social programs rob from the rich give to the poor so the poor can out, and buy more stuff.

To put it another way the 'socialists' think the sole function of government is to rob from the rich to pay the poors bills.

Which is not why government exists.

If that was the case then "the poor" would have all the money instead of the "the rich" now wouldn't they. The way things are now the Gov. takes from the middle and gives it to the rich and the poor. The poor need it but the rich don't and the middle just get's screwed.

Gov. takes from everyone to whatever degree it can and redistributes it. That is just a byproduct of the function of Gov. Their money comes from taxes so in a round about way they will always take from those that have and give to others.

a reply to: mOjOm

If that was the case then "the poor" would have all the money instead of the "the rich" now wouldn't they. The way things are now the Gov. takes from the middle and gives it to the rich and the poor. The poor need it but the rich don't and the middle just get's screwed.

Well that isn't accurate the money being taken from the middle class mostly is to fund SS, and medicare,medicaid.

To fund the poors SS,medicare,medicaid.

The money taken from the middle class doesn't cover it so the shortfall is taken from the evil rich.

As we know the evil rich don't need those 3.

Still doesn't cut it so the state created new taxes like the medicare surtax to cover the spending shortfall.

That doesn't cover it so the STATE raises other taxes like on tobacco and alcohol.

That doesn't cover it.

So the STATE created more new taxes like the Alternative 'minimum' tax that hikes up them evil rich's taxes.

That STILL doesn't cover it.

So the state raised taxes like the capitol gains tax

WHICH still doesn't pay for the poor, and the middle class's 'benefits'.

So what does the state do ?

They print more money thus devaluing the dollar even more.

That still doesn't pay for the spending shortfall.

So what does the state do?

They print that other form of 'currency', treasuries!

That STILL doesn't cover the money that is currently being spent on the middle class, and the poor.

So they borrow from China!

That still doesn't cover it.

So they borrow from Japan!

That STILL doesn't cover it.

Then rinse, and repeat.

When the entire system of social engineering is setup with people getting more benefits than they EVER paid in?

That is what created deficts. That created DEBT.

That entire system was never designed to be self sustaining.

That's the problem.

Not the bloody evil rich.

Wasn't for them funding the majority of it ?

The poor,and middle class would really be screwed.

a reply to: neo96

Well, maybe they should quit giving the evil rich so many tax breaks and then they'd have plenty to fund all those things.

Maybe they should cut out all the subsidies going to the evil rich who are already making plenty of money and don't need to get even more money on top of their profits.

Maybe they should stop corporations from using loopholes and putting their money in tax havens and then claiming zero taxes.

Maybe they should stop letting companies outsource all the jobs overseas so people could go to work and they wouldn't need to suck off the Government.

Maybe they should stop dumping trillions of dollars into failed war and occupations of other countries around the globe and worry about their own people for a change.

a reply to: mOjOm

Well, maybe they should quit giving the evil rich so many tax breaks and then they'd have plenty to fund all those things.

Why ? when the poor, and middle class get those SAME tax breaks.

Maybe they should cut out all the subsidies going to the evil rich who are already making plenty of money and don't need to get even more money on top of their profits.

One more time social programs GUARANTEE them evil rich folks profits. The money still ends up in the same place.

Maybe they should stop corporations from using loopholes and putting their money in tax havens and then claiming zero taxes.

Maybe these people should stop paying ZERO taxes?

How bout that ?

Since 2009, the percentage of Americans who pay no federal income taxes has fallen from 47% to 43%, according to a recent report by the Tax Policy Center. The catalyst for the drop is due to two factors — federal tax cuts that expired after the Great Recession and an improving economy.

www.businessinsider.com...

Maybe they should stop letting companies outsource all the jobs overseas so people could go to work and they wouldn't need to suck off the Government.

Stop going after business in this country,increasing the regulatory burdens on them. Demanding 'universal' wages, and stop peddling DISINFORMATION about they 'not' paying taxes because they damn well do.

They just might stop.

Maybe they should stop dumping trillions of dollars into failed war and occupations of other countries around the globe and worry about their own people for a change.

And just exactly how do people think the WELFARE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX gets paid for?

One more for the road.

The Hard Truth: Even Liberals are Big Fans of Oil Subsidies

a reply to: neo96

Sounds like a flat tax might make both sides of this argument happy. But the truth is that the corporate lobby would never let that happen. It should also definitely be noted however that these low-income 'parasites' still pay sales tax every day with every purchase while there are many gigantic corporations that are sales tax exempt. Which tax dodgers are bleeding the system more? I haven't done the math but something tells me the results might put a wrench in your spokes. Having a black-and-white ideological worldview is never productive in my opinion.

a reply to: humanityrising

I am sick to death of this rich versus the poor stuff.

I want the income tax abolished so politicians will stop pitting classes against each other.

If people were allowed to keep EVERYTHING they earned there would be less/no need for social programs.

a reply to: neo96

Very true. Sadly the chances of both sides of the aisle admitting partial fault and agreeing on something productive that might get us out of this hole are nil. Back to the futility of black-and-white interpretations...it's all really, really grey.

originally posted by: neo96

Why ? when the poor, and middle class get those SAME tax breaks.

No they don't.

One more time social programs GUARANTEE them evil rich folks profits. The money still ends up in the same place.

So why are you complaining??? Since they get it all back anyway what's your problem???

Maybe these people should stop paying ZERO taxes?

I'm talking about this.
U.S. Corporations That Pay No Taxes

Stop going after business in this country,increasing the regulatory burdens on them. Demanding 'universal' wages, and stop peddling DISINFORMATION about they 'not' paying taxes because they damn well do.

They just might stop.

Ya, I'm sure all we need to do is deregulate some more. Because that has worked so well until now hasn't it??? I'm sure when they can cheat the system even more and pay whatever they want to they'll just decide to pay people more and pay their fair share. Because corporations are built on being fair and good to people, right???

Give me a break.

And just exactly how do people think the WELFARE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX gets paid for?

Are you saying it's paid for by starting illegal wars and occupying other sovereign countries???

a reply to: neo96

I'm just trying to figure out how any large-scale projects would ever get done if none of us paid taxes. I think it would be really hard to organize enough people, even willing people to get a massive infrastructure project done.

Even projects that everyone knew would benefit everyone, just getting the logistics of getting everyone to pitch in would be tough. Then, who's plan are we using? Who's going to do what parts of the construction?

I think we'd all be paralyzed by everyone arguing their ideas were better, their supply lists were better...

Eventually everyone would probably throw their hands up, take their money and tools back home.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I'm just trying to figure out how any large-scale projects would ever get done if none of us paid taxes. I think it would be really hard to organize enough people, even willing people to get a massive infrastructure project done.

As I said earlier.

Infrastructure are STATE and local issues.

To hone in that point even MORE.

Came across this crap earlier tonite:

China, U.S. Reach Agreement on High-Speed Rail Before Xi Visit

I do NOT want my money going to that.

The U.S. can cancel its debts at any time by simply declaring war with its creditors... after the obligatory 'Pearl Harbor' incident, of course.

'We know the thing that tends to register on people is fear, and we know that that tends to happen AFTER there's a 'Pearl Harbor'; tends to happen AFTER there's a crisis... and that's too late for us. We've gotta be smarter than that. We've gotta be wiser than that. We have to be more forward-looking.
-Donald Rumsfeld, U.S. secretary of defense (2001~2006)

Here is the choice that we must look at in the up coming elections:

1) You have Bernie Sanders and the Democrats that was to stop interfering with the world and start to focus on the country again, helping its people, and start dealing with issues that have gone long ignored.

Or:

2) Any one of the Republicans what will turn around and try to enforce a proto theocracy on the country, all the while beating the war drums, possibly marching the country off to some other war, that will be far worse for the country.

Too many of those on the Republican side have no interest in what is good for the country, policies that do not work, constant threatening and making it where the world thinks that the US is far more dangerous than any other group. Perhaps it is time that we take a chance, go into working on our own problems and coming up with viable solutions. The infrastructure is starting to fall apart and fail, children that are not prepared for the future, and a society that is falling apart. And unfortunately the problems that should have been looked after, is now coming to rear its ugly head and will take alot of money to fix.

a reply to: neo96

Unless I am missing something, that project appears to be a private venture.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: neo96

Unless I am missing something, that project appears to be a private venture.

Looks like a Federal Loan (from taxpayers) is looming.....

The XpressWest High-Speed Rail Line from Victorville to Las Vegas: A Taxpayer Risk Analysis


Study: XpressWest Train Likely to Fail, Costing Taxpayers Up to $6.5 Billion