Price Tag of Bernie Sanders’s Proposals: $18 Trillion

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: burdman30ott6

So where else is she going to practice being a doctor when almost all other western nations have a national healthcare system?

Many will retire. OR you will see a backlash in America (oh hey, this is already happening) in which the better doctors simply stop accepting insurance and the only patients they have are those able to pay cash on the barrelhead. I know of a couple offices here in Anchorage who have adopted that model and it is working well for them (plus they no longer have to pay someone to deal with insurance companies nor collect past due bills on unpaid fees after insurance has finished picking and choosing what it will cover post procedure.)

a reply to: burdman30ott6

The thing is, many of these .1% people have no actual "income" -- they make their money off investments which aren't taxed the same as your regular Joe.

And frankly, If people think their taxes are to high they can always revert to a barter and trade system and make everything they need by hand. I hear people telling me all the time that they'd love to do that, I wonder what is stopping them?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Another point to consider: Government debt isn't SUPPOSED to be paid off. If it gets paid off, then there is no money in the money supply. So people complaining about how long it is going to take to pay down our current debt (or future debts) are barking up the wrong tree.

Government debt shouldn't have existed in the first place, and it is supposed to be paid off. I could come up with one way to create money every day for the rest of my life, but was that really your point?

originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
I would rather vote for Sanders to spend 18 T to build a better country, rather than vote for the others that would spend who knows how much on war, prisons and corporate welfare.

Doesn't matter if Bernie was to spent 20 Trillion, because all the other candidates will attempt to do the same. The question is where is the money going to go?

Okay then, give up and don't bother wasting your time voting. If all the candidates are going to expedite the economic collapse, then they are all bad candidates and you shouldn't vote for any of them.

The point of voting is to vote for someone you think will do a good job. If there is nobody who will do the job right, then there is no point in voting. You can vote for a 100% chance of expressing who you think would be a good job, or vote for a 1 in one billion chance of changing the outcome of the national election, which is much worse than the powerball jackpot lottery.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: burdman30ott6

The thing is, many of these .1% people have no actual "income" -- they make their money off investments which aren't taxed the same as your regular Joe.

And frankly, If people think their taxes are to high they can always revert to a barter and trade system and make everything they need by hand. I hear people telling me all the time that they'd love to do that, I wonder what is stopping them?

And that is a very valid point, however you also have many retired, non wealthy investors, etc making money through capital gains. You going to raise it and snare the non wealthy as well? Quite honestly every time people talk about taxing the wealthy the middle class gets sucked into in some form, quite honestly many are fed up and pretty stretched and is a major reason they don't trust those people talking about taxing the wealthy. Only get bitten by the same dog so many times before you stop sticking your hand in the fence.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I know a decent number of people like that. Do you know what they're called? Retirees. That's right - your average 401(k) is an investment account that is designed to support you in your retirement.

So, do you really think all those little old ladies and gentlemen who worked hard and saved and provided for themselves should be taxed higher on income they were already taxed once on when they earned it the first time around? Especially in their golden years?

Most people who live on investment income are not Warren Buffet.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
And frankly, If people think their taxes are to high they can always revert to a barter and trade system and make everything they need by hand. I hear people telling me all the time that they'd love to do that, I wonder what is stopping them?

"If that woman didn't wanna be raped, she shouldn't have worn that revealing dress."

a reply to: MystikMushroom

And frankly, If people think their taxes are to high they can always revert to a barter and trade system and make everything they need by hand. I hear people telling me all the time that they'd love to do that, I wonder what is stopping them?

Why do you think Greece is in such a lurch? It's social state became so expensive the taxes so pervasive and intrusive that people did what you suggest and created a gray economy on a grand scale to dodge the taxes.

Ayn Rand called it Going Galt.

And the world sees what the results are for Greece. But no one here seems to have learned the lesson.

Bernie seems to want to break Obama's binge debt record.

Since Obama took office, he is now responsible for approximately 44% of the total National Debt chalked up since George Washington !!

Not bad for the 44th President eh.

And don't forget, the National Debt has been under a semi-freeze since March.

Balance sheet 9-14-2015

a reply to: xuenchen

You worry too much about money. Relax. Have some ice cream.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: xuenchen

A lot of federal funding and grants help pay for local services. More than you'd think.

And I bet all the Federal money is on-budget, not deficit over-spending.

originally posted by: babybunnies
ATS, you're losing your long term users who remember fondly when this was a CONSPIRACY THEORY site.

The current politics of manufacturing a big ass class war to mask the fact that there is a protected group of kept voters intended to ensure the Meal Ticket is not voted against is possibly the largest conspiracy out there today.

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: xuenchen

You worry too much about money. Relax. Have some ice cream.

"In the long run we are all dead"

-John Maynard Keynes

There's a plan.

originally posted by: Metallicus
So, Bernie Sanders plans to more than DOUBLE the national debt.

You act as though money actually exists and isn't a bunch of 0s and 1s floating around in a computer system that perpetuates a non-realistic economy to begin with.

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: xuenchen

You worry too much about money. Relax. Have some ice cream.

That's exactly what "They" want *YOU* to think.

originally posted by: b3l13v3
You act as though money actually exists and isn't a bunch of 0s and 1s floating around in a computer system that perpetuates a non-realistic economy to begin with.

Here's a great test of faith related to just how much someone believes in their own "worthlessness of money" theories... send me all that you have and I'll dispose of it for you.

/Rebuttal

originally posted by: b3l13v3

originally posted by: Metallicus
So, Bernie Sanders plans to more than DOUBLE the national debt.

You act as though money actually exists and isn't a bunch of 0s and 1s floating around in a computer system that perpetuates a non-realistic economy to begin with.

So crash it quicker before the unavoidable end kicks in? A little last push to provide everything for everyone before it drops out?

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: xuenchen

You worry too much about money. Relax. Have some ice cream.

Actually seems most people here are pretty average folks wanting to keep as much of the money that they earned as possible. The ones worrying about it are the ones trying to take it. After all if those who wanted it weren't worried about it, there wouldn't be a push to try and take it via taxes. Again people always talk about taxing the wealthy and the middle class always get stuck with a good portion of the bill. It's why they don't trust people screaming tax the wealthy.

You want to talk about never allowing another bailout of a private bank or company again. Ensuring wealthy people can't buy laws to help themselves and has no benefit to the rest. Several other issues I'm there. But really socialist need to get a little more creative. We've heard the tax the rich lie too many times

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