Price Tag of Bernie Sanders’s Proposals: $18 Trillion

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I said .1% not 1%

I'm not talking about the one percent, I'm talking about the point one percent. As I said earlier, the one percent earn about $388,000 a year -- which really isn't that much in the larger scheme of things.

And the top 40% picking up the tab for everyone else is me, you -- normal people not these .1% people who own a disproportional amount of US capital and wealth.

Did you not see that that the bottom 80% owns only 7% -- that's seven percent of the USA's financial wealth? That's one lopsided system that is clearly unsustainable.

a reply to: Reallyfolks

Of course, one wonders what will happen to those people who will then not have jobs. I can only assume they will get hired by the new government health care administrative bureaucracy which, given that public employees make more than private sector ones with cushier benefits, will end up costing us more with more overhead.

The numbers are out there, but the British NHS has more employees than the US military does. Imagine how many employees a similar service would require for a nation of our size.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

So where else is she going to practice being a doctor when almost all other western nations have a national healthcare system?

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: burdman30ott6

So where else is she going to practice being a doctor when almost all other western nations have a national healthcare system?

She won't become one or she'll go into private industry into another position that will require her med degree.

It's not like actual practitioners are the only positions that require those degrees you know.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: burdman30ott6

How does Germany, France, the Netherlands -- any of these countries have the doctors they do? I wonder how they deal with the problem of incentive in those countries?

How do they deal with it?

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: burdman30ott6

How does Germany, France, the Netherlands -- any of these countries have the doctors they do? I wonder how they deal with the problem of incentive in those countries?

How do they deal with it?

The UK winds up importing a lot of their physicians from foreign countries with lower standards of living.

a reply to: ketsuko

And plenty of people will especially with lower education costs, a lot of people go into medicine to actually practice medicine because they are driven to do so you know, not just to drive a new Mercedes every three years.

a reply to: Kali74

And we hear the same about teaching and look at the quality of our socialized education system.

a reply to: ketsuko

I doubt you hear anything honest about teachers... they're just more devils to the right wing, cuz unions. It'd be nice if publicly funded charter school scams would go away and stop draining education budgets, don't you think?

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: ketsuko

I doubt you hear anything honest about teachers... they're just more devils to the right wing, cuz unions. It'd be nice if publicly funded charter school scams would go away and stop draining education budgets, don't you think?

Really? So I didn't learn anything at all about in my own time in the classroom?

What should really happen is that the administration should stop being top heavy with bureaucrats who sit at the city building drawing in large salaries who are accountable to no one. And the unions are part of the problem too.

Don't you think it strange that there are only two in the entire nation? Don't you think that's a monopoly and a conflict of interest? Why is there any real excuse for the entity negotiating against a local district to be bigger and more powerful that it is? Isn't that an imbalance?

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: ketsuko

I doubt you hear anything honest about teachers... they're just more devils to the right wing, cuz unions. It'd be nice if publicly funded charter school scams would go away and stop draining education budgets, don't you think?

Has nothing to do with devils, the statistics speak for themselves. Don't put the blame on them solely but our educational standards and scores are pretty bad

a reply to: Metallicus

The only way America is going to recover from the consequences of her current domestic and foreign policies is a massive and sweeping change in the fundamental mindset of getting her priorities in order - this has to come from the people and their elected representatives and until you do that, you are doomed to continue on your current downward spiral into oblivion.

For instance, you don't need Bernie, Trump or any dynastic bloodlines to do this - you and I could vastly change this pie-chart on current spending trends to allow America to once regain that which she has currently lost.

I would start by stopping any and all involvement in anything remotely associated with "War" and limit defense spending to domestic defense only, I would also deconstruct government and rebuild it smaller, stronger and get it up-to-speed (administratively) with the private sector.

I would also make lobbying illegal.



www.nationalpriorities.org...

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Of course, the reason why most of Europe can have the national priorities they have is because they long ago outsourced their national defense to the US. If they stopped relying on us to defend them and make the world stable and safe, they would have to build up their own militaries and that would eat into their welfare/entitlement state budgets which would make their own national priority charts look closer to ours while ours would look less like this one.

originally posted by: Moors
This is in direct contrast to Jeb Bush's tax cut which amounts to a trillion dollar gift to the 1% (half going to top 1% money earners).

BECAUSE THEY PAY HALF OF THE FRICKING TAXES!!!!!

Gumballs are $0.10
Billy has $1.00
Eddie has $0.60
Joey has $0.30
Billy, Eddie, and Joey all plan on spending all of their money on gumballs.
If there's a gumball sale and the price drops to $0.05 per gumball:
Billy can either buy 10 gumballs as he originally planned and save $0.50
Eddie does the same and purchases 6 gumballs, keeping $0.30
and Joey buys 3, saving $0.15

OR

Billy can buy 20 gumballs, Eddie can buy 12, and Joey can buy 6.

If they pool their money and split it evenly, Billy is a flippin' idiot because he just effectively gave away 7 gumballs, Eddie sort of breaks even but if Billy's finances suffer, you know damn well Joey is gonna look at Eddie to cough up more, and Joey gets twice as many gumballs as he should have gotten based on little more than "I didn't have enough so someone else should take care of me."

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: burdman30ott6

How does Germany, France, the Netherlands -- any of these countries have the doctors they do? I wonder how they deal with the problem of incentive in those countries?

How do they deal with it?

The UK winds up importing a lot of their physicians from foreign countries with lower standards of living.

I'm almost 100% certain that the doctor I saw in Paris was French.

If so many doctors are imported, you'd think we'd hear about it. I haven't had a German, British, or French doctor at any hospital here in the USA. They're certainly not flocking to the USA.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: burdman30ott6

How does Germany, France, the Netherlands -- any of these countries have the doctors they do? I wonder how they deal with the problem of incentive in those countries?

How do they deal with it?

The UK winds up importing a lot of their physicians from foreign countries with lower standards of living.

I'm almost 100% certain that the doctor I saw in Paris was French.

If so many doctors are imported, you'd think we'd hear about it. I haven't had a German, British, or French doctor at any hospital here in the USA. They're certainly not flocking to the USA.

I think the response was to the question of what do other countries do for Dr motivation on nationalized healthcare. You asked the question, I asked what they did. The response was import.

Seeing as how we aren't single payer if that goes down that's when you would.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

www.weeklystandard.com...

...and that top 0.1% pays more in income tax than the entire bottom 80% do...

"The top 0.1% paid 16.4% of federal taxes in 2010."

Despite the FACT that the bottom 80% made 6 times as much income as the top 0.1% did that year, they paid less in taxes combined on that 6-times the money as the 0.1% did on their earnings.

Yeah, yeah, I know... cue the whine express "But, but, Burd... those folks are billionaires and have way more money at hand." And? They paid their taxes on the wealth the accumulated and, frankly, the rest of society needs to STFU and stop this sour grapes greedy bullcrap. America was never formed to despise prosperity and hate success, despite what the socialist branch of American politics wants people to believe. Again, THEY'RE PAYING THEIR TAXES... shall we look around again at those who are NOT paying their taxes and are costing the rest of us even more money?

originally posted by: Willtell
He says take care of ALL the people not just the few elite billionaires and millionaires and their puppets in the political structure who protect those precious elite rich ones as they bribe and buy them.

You mean he has other people take care of ALL the people. He actually just sits on a plush share while getting more fat. Bernie is a taker, not a giver.

I like whole stories and big pictures. So shoot me.

What the Wall Street Journal won’t tell you is that $15 trillion in national health spending over 10 years would represent a massive savings for the United States. Right now we spend at twice that rate for health care. According to the Congressional Budget Office, in fiscal year 2013 alone, the U.S. spent $2.8 trillion on total health expenditures, not including the $250 billion tax break employers get for providing health insurance to their workers.

Accounting for cost inflation in health care and extending that out for 10 years, on our current trajectory we would spend more than $30 trillion, compared to the $15 trillion of a single-payer plan, which would totally supplant it. [Source]

And think about the rest of what the WSJ didn't tell you too.

Oh yeah...and there's this too.

Sanders hasn’t actually released any health care plan, so we have no idea what his might cost.

originally posted by: amicktd
Personally, I wouldn't care if Bernie's plans cost 100 trillion dollars.

Sounds like you are not a taxpayer. You actually are volunteering other people's money, and I'm not fond of people who so questionably give away other people's money, and I don't see how giving away other people's money could possibly leave you with a good feeling.

How did plundering other people's money work for Chavez?