Kentucky: Oath Keepers Say They Will Protect Kim Davis From The Law

She's out of jail because the judge violated the law not her.

a reply to: Gothmog

You are sincerely missing the point. Kim Davis is not being discriminated against. She is free to practice her Constitutionally protected religion however she sees fit... provided that it not involve violating the civil rights of others.

If a school teacher at a public school decided to refuse to teach female students because he was Muslim and believed that females should not be educated, would you make the same statement?

a reply to: Bluntone22

Hardly. She is out of jail because her subordinates issued the licenses.

a reply to: Hefficide

No person in the military or the police should be permitted to engage in any group which clearly poses any threat to anyone they claim to be serving.

Every member of the "Oath Keepers" found to be actively a member of the armed forces or the police should be fired immediately.

This is a rogue group of extremists posing as something else, it needs to be called what it is - a right wing militant group, on the cusp of becoming a right wing terrorist group.

We all know exactly what's going to happen here.
These people are going to become more irrational, more extreme and more dangerous with every passing day that the government does nothing about it, and when someone finally recognizes the risk this group poses every attempt to do something about it is then going to be taken as an "assault" on their liberties - which of course it isn't.

This perception is then going to encourage more militancy and extremism until this group is directly implicated in a terrorist act which could have been prevented if only people had taken the threat seriously to begin with.

These men are going to claim that they are not a threat, that they haven't done anything wrong, but when you're armed to the teeth, preaching right wing rhetoric and openly stating that you plan to break the law, you deserve to be called a threat and you deserve to be treated as one.

This group needs to be outlawed, it's heirarchy arrested and investigated, and preventative measures taken to stop its militant wing from acting out against others.

If anyone wants to argue this, please tell me what your reaction would be to the same group of men doing the same things while holding up a copy of the Koran. If you tell me they would be permitted to carry on in the same way then you are an outright liar.

originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: Bluntone22

Hardly. She is out of jail because her subordinates issues the licenses.

Out with no fine or apology. He overstepped and she won.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
She's out of jail because the judge violated the law not her.

That's factually untrue.
Please stop lying.

She is out of jail because her staff decided to do the RIGHT THING and issue licenses to all those legally permitted to marry, without bigotry and without discrimination.

a reply to: Bluntone22

I don't think you understand the concept of Contempt of Court well.

a reply to: Zaphod58

but the issue of her signature cannot be resolved on the county level. I imagine that it's a state law aimed at having conformity through the state. and the state isn't playing.
while she was arrested, the deputies were placing their initials in the spot where here signature was to be, under the judge's orders I presume. did this set up change when she was released?

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: Bluntone22

Hardly. She is out of jail because her subordinates issues the licenses.

Out with no fine or apology. He overstepped and she won.

Yeah, the judge had every right to hold her in contempt for violating the court order.

He released her on the condition that she follow the law. If she refuses to, she will be thrown back in jail.

~Tenth

So the guys who rant and rave about how the only thing that matters to them is defending their oath and the Constitution are now going to go protect somebody who isn't upholding her own oath and is violating the law of the land.

Makes sense.

Then again, the oath keepers give themselves some wiggle room by telling members "if you THINK something violates the Constitution, don't do it." No real vetting process involved there.

And screw Kim Davis. The woman is quite clearly milking the ever loving crap out of this and making such a circus out of herself. Probably wants that movie deal.

originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: Bluntone22

I don't think you understand the concept of Contempt of Court well.

Name one thing this woman did to be released from jail. She paid no fine and did not agree to issue licenses to gay couples. Her staff has nothing to do with her contempt charge.

a reply to: Shamrock6

And screw Kim Davis. The woman is quite clearly milking the ever loving crap out of this and making such a circus out of herself. Probably wants that movie deal.

I've been waiting for the GoFundMe or IndiGoGo Campaign to show up any day now for her...'lawyer' fees.

*ahem*

~Tenth

Anti-gay Christian = Racist

There I said it, because frankly it's the truth. To all the christians out there that doesn't want to oppress an entire group of people due to sexual preference, I say thank you.

Flame on, because I don't give a ****

originally posted by: Rocker2013
a reply to: Hefficide

No person in the military or the police should be permitted to engage in any group which clearly poses any threat to anyone they claim to be serving.

Every member of the "Oath Keepers" found to be actively a member of the armed forces or the police should be fired immediately.

This is a rogue group of extremists posing as something else, it needs to be called what it is - a right wing militant group, on the cusp of becoming a right wing terrorist group.

We all know exactly what's going to happen here.
These people are going to become more irrational, more extreme and more dangerous with every passing day that the government does nothing about it, and when someone finally recognizes the risk this group poses every attempt to do something about it is then going to be taken as an "assault" on their liberties - which of course it isn't.

This perception is then going to encourage more militancy and extremism until this group is directly implicated in a terrorist act which could have been prevented if only people had taken the threat seriously to begin with.

These men are going to claim that they are not a threat, that they haven't done anything wrong, but when you're armed to the teeth, preaching right wing rhetoric and openly stating that you plan to break the law, you deserve to be called a threat and you deserve to be treated as one.

This group needs to be outlawed, it's heirarchy arrested and investigated, and preventative measures taken to stop its militant wing from acting out against others.

If anyone wants to argue this, please tell me what your reaction would be to the same group of men doing the same things while holding up a copy of the Koran. If you tell me they would be permitted to carry on in the same way then you are an outright liar.

Yep the Constitution is really right wing .. and anyone who believes it is the law of the land, lock them up before you shoot them ! Rah Rah !

a reply to: 727Sky

The Constitution clearly spells out a Separation of Church and State and lays the cornerstone of our legal system. This group is defying both of those concepts openly.

The Constitution did not lay the groundwork for Christian Shariah law.

a reply to: dawnstar

Kentucky law doesn't state only the clerk can sign the license. The clerk or deputy clerk issuing the license must sign it.

www.patheos.com...

Which isn't stopping her attorneys from right wing groups from claiming that only she is allowed to sign licenses so anything signed by a deputy is invalid.

originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: 727Sky

The Constitution clearly spells out a Separation of Church and State and lays the cornerstone of our legal system. This group is defying both of those concepts openly.

The Constitution did not lay the groundwork for Christian Shariah law.

No argument about that at all Hef. The argument seems to be over the judge not executing the law properly as I posted on page one of your thread.

Now we see the rise of an imperial judiciary that not only legislates from the bench but is attempting to expand their “contempt” power to likewise swallow up our Bill of Rights and circumvent jury trial. Both methods are used to allow the powerful office holder to merely point his finger and have his opponent thrown behind bars without a grand jury indictment and without being found guilty by a jury of their peers. No innocent until proven guilty before a jury. Just “guilty” because the leader says so. That is a dictatorship, whether done by a president or by a judge. No one man should have that kind of power in his hands alone to decide guilt and impose a sentence of indefinite detention. Under our Constitution, that dictatorial power does not exist. We must stand against this. And so we will protect her and prevent it from happening again. – Stewart Rhodes

a reply to: dawnstar

Gosh, you would think there would be some protocol in place, were the county clerk to die or become incapacitated for some reason. You would think the deputy clerks could legally remove (or cross out) her signature and initial the licenses themselves, at least on a temp basis, until the county clerk returns or is replaced. So if she considers herself incapacitated (unable to fulfill her duties), there should be a protocol to follow.

a reply to: 727Sky

Yes, the New ATS is about "gay agenda" push to destroy Christianity.

No sarcasm.

Rhodes is a Yale Law School graduate, a former US Army paratrooper, and a former staffer of Republican Congressman Ron Paul.

That Darn Ron Paul and all his crazy ideas about the constitution ! Lock him up too ! Just a crazy old man who has outlived his time ! Rah Rah !

writing in S.W.A.T. Magazine in 2008, '“It” (a full-blown totalitarian police state) cannot happen here if the majority of police and soldiers obey their oaths to defend the Constitution and refuse to enforce the unconstitutional edicts of the "Leader."

Yep that is one crazy dude lock him up and all those who believe he is right !

Never mind Rhodes knows a little about the law that darn Yale ain't what it used to be....no doubt Lock them all up ! muhahahahah