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It's the product of the journalist's work. I don't play ideological top trumps by throwing quote processed by third party individuals.
I do rely on something called critical analysis.
A news should never be dismissed because of it's sole source.
Didn't I use bilderberg-sponsored links as well ?
No, as you never explained why you felt that your personal consideration of the current situation in Belarus is supposedly more accurate than what a citizen of the said country may have to say about it.
So, you don't agree with what the guy has to say but you consider it's spinning information anyway.
Why do you say the journalist is pro-Russian ?
originally posted by: DJW001
I don't know about that. Democratic republics can be unpredictable.
For those who try to manipulate them, for others they're just supposed to be democratic.
No, I mean the electoral process will grant him another mandate because the majority of people living in Belarus think he should be the next President.
Do you support meddling with electoral process ?
The head of the Central Election Commission has told reporters that certain “foreign foundations” were planning provocations on the upcoming nationwide Election Day and promised that law enforcers would soon publish documented proof.
“We have information about the activities of some foreign foundations, including activities on Russian territory aimed at thwarting the voting process in certain Russian regions,” Vladimir Churov said at a Wednesday press conference in Moscow.
Why do you consider that isolating the said countries is likely to put them on the path for more democracy ?
Sorry but your own government recognizes the virtues of dialogue as well.
originally posted by: DJW001
Yes you do! Whenever you quote globalresearch.com.
originally posted by: DJW001
I have seen no evidence of that.
originally posted by: DJW001
On the contrary, if there is only a single source it should be regarded as unconfirmed, and therefore suspect. In fact, some sources are known to be completely unreliable. How do we know that this journalist is any better than Sorcha Faal?
originally posted by: DJW001
Only when you can misinterpret them to suit your agenda.
originally posted by: DJW001
The journalist was reporting his perception of events. I'm pretty sure he was not present at any meeting held privately between Lukaschenko and Lavrov, so all he is doing is repeating the official story uncritically. Am I not entitled to form my own opinion?
originally posted by: DJW001
But I agree with the facts he presents; that Russia will not get all the bases it wants. I disagree with his interpretation of the facts: that it was a mutual decision. As I said, he was not present at the talks and is, at best, parroting his own source.
originally posted by: DJW001
Because he presents the facts in a way designed to save Russia face. If he were pro Belarussian, he would have portrayed it as a heroic move by Lukaschenko.
originally posted by: DJW001
Completely backwards, of course. Democracies are unpredictable because people are unpredictable. Fascist states like Russia and Syria are extremely predictable because they are thoroughly manipulated from above.
originally posted by: DJW001
Do you honestly believe that? Do you honestly believe that people overwhelmingly vote someone into power decade after decade because they think he's the best man to run the country?
originally posted by: DJW001
Absolutely not, but I do support the freedom of speech. Foundations that educate people about democracy are not meddling with the electoral process, they are strengthening it. As for US hackers allegedly interfering with the recent Russian elections, perhaps Vladimir Churov is making that claim in order to make good on his earlier claim:
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originally posted by: DJW001
Where do I say that I do? I believe in engagement, not isolation.
originally posted by: DJW001
Why are you sorry? I'm actually happy that this administration is beginning to reach out to Cuba and Iran... even though I have friends who suffered because of those regimes.
Please share with us the list of the news sources that should be blacklisted in the name of democracy and freedom of speech.
That's because you must know about critical analysis in order to be able to spot it.
What previously posted information do you want to double-check ?
Which bilderberg-sponsored source did I misinterpret ?
Are journalists attending every single meeting taking place in the Oval office ?
Why do you consider it's a journalist interpretation if indeed it was a mutual decision ?
Analysis of recent news on the Russian base in Belarus paints a slightly different picture. Minsk and Moscow gave up plans to put Russian fighter jets next door to NATO member states. Russia will get only one base in Babruysk, and later than it had originally planned.
Do you have any facts to present or is it just your interpretation ?
Can you have a consideration of things that is not based on the Russian/American antagonism ?
Is there a place between Pro-Russian/Anti-American and Pro-American/Anti-Russian ?
originally posted by: DJW001
The idea of a blacklist is completely alien to me. I urge people to read widely. It doesn't take long before you can spot a writer's agenda.
originally posted by: DJW001
"I know you are, but what am I?" Why don't you provide an example of your critical thought. All I've seen from you is parroting of Fascist media points.
originally posted by: DJW001
What is this in reference to?
originally posted by: DJW001
What sources do you consider to be "Bilderberg sponsored?" Provide a link to one of your posts that uses one and I'll be happy to oblige.
originally posted by: DJW001
Which is why journalists in America preface statements with phrases like: "According to a White House official..." When they speculate, they make it clear it is speculation: "Some pundits are saying...."
originally posted by: DJW001
Because that's what "analysis" means:
Analysis of recent news on the Russian base in Belarus paints a slightly different picture. Minsk and Moscow gave up plans to put Russian fighter jets next door to NATO member states. Russia will get only one base in Babruysk, and later than it had originally planned.
Original source.
originally posted by: DJW001
No, just my own analysis. Russia has been taking advantage of Belarus because the EU does not approve of its Fascist government. It starting to look like Belarus is starting to look west.
originally posted by: DJW001
All the time. It just so happens that this thread is about Russian/Belorussian relations, and most analysts seem to think that they are cooling. Why are you trying to drag America in to this? Luschenko is looking towards Europe not the US. Oh, wait, I forget that you think everything that happens is because of America's plotting.
originally posted by: DJW001
Yes, though you will never find it so long as you remain fixed on the Anti-America axis. (And "axis" i the perfect word for it.)
Hey, you're skipping more and more often bits of my replies ... can't you negatively comment every single thing I say ?
I felt some the discomfort while you're dealing with your own contradictions but I'd really like to know, in scope of this thread : what's so embarrassing for you agenda about the renewal of dialogue between the US and the Russians ?
I - on the other hand - will comment everything you said - if necessary :
You have no blacklist but globalresearch.com - at least - is on it. Hypocrite.
This is a reply about a previous statement of mine related to critical analysis.
How can you perform critical analysis with a supposedly non-existing blacklist featuring entries anyway ?
originally posted by: DJW001
What is this in reference to?
My previous quote you didn't reply in a comprehensive way probably.
I don't mean to drift the thread on the of the bilderberg. There are enough threads on ATS about them.
I provided a link in previous post to a picture 'mapping' the connections within the bilderberg to various US companies. If you agree to consider it and unless you negate the bilderberg's existense or the fact that Soros is part of it, you can see various media companies listed on it. I linked some of them, the Washington post is the first one I came across. The picture is quite large.
Which western-sourced article did I misinterpret anyway ?
Why didn't you react in the same way to the highly speculative nature of the information provided by the OP then ?
Minsk and Moscow ... so it's a mutual agreement between Belarus and Russia, right ?
And in order to make you statement more convincing you skipped the answer to this previous question :
Why do you feel that your personal consideration of the current situation in Belarus is supposedly more accurate than what a citizen of the said country may have to say about it ?
I'm European, I oppose America's messing in Europe in favour of the interest of it's own oligarchs. I don't mind if it's on the eastern or western side of the former iron curtain.
So you didn't rewatch the Jimmy Carter video and still think America can only be righteous ... You don't have to do your fascist/nazi ranting for that.
There is a significant number of Russian citizens
Because there are a significant number of Russian citizens fighting for ISIS. Feel free to link to your sources where the US is training the Russians.
originally posted by: DJW001
I'm not the one with contradictions, you are. You claim that you favor democracy and are opposed to Nazism, yet you idolize dictators, admire military aggression (except by the United States, of course) and find Jews irritating.
originally posted by: DJW001
I don't think you understand what the expression means. Globalresearch,com is welcome to post whatever it wants. Because anyone with functioning brain cells can readily see what its biases are, it can be a valuable source of information. Mostly, it tells you what its agenda wants you to believe. On the other hand, if by "blacklist"you just mean that you don't trust the source, then you've blacklisted all sources "owned" by the Bilderbergs, hypocrite.
originally posted by: DJW001
Critical analysis is what makes it possible to read posts on the internet and divine their truthfulness or the degree of bias, That's why a blacklist is unnecessary. Critical thinking is what allows one to read the propaganda at globalresearch.com and use it to understand Kremlin policy!
originally posted by: DJW001
The problem is that there are two "Bilderbergs," ...
originally posted by: DJW001
Don't worry, I'll point it out the next time you do it. By the way, I tried doing a quick search for posts where you linked to a "Bilderberg" source, but all of your links turn out to be Neo-Nazi. Why is that?
originally posted by: DJW001
How do you order me to react? My entry into the thread had to do with the way Russian fellow travelers over-inflate the importance of the BRICs "alliance." I don't think I've bothered to comment on the OP at all, as it is speculation.
originally posted by: DJW001
The citizen of said country is living in Berlin and relying on news reports like the rest of us. I'm sure he has a deeper understanding of Belorussian politics than I do but, as I have patiently explained, he was not privy to the actual negotiations. All he really knows is what he's read in the newspapers, and some of them are probably Bilderberg.
originally posted by: DJW001
And yet you don't mind Russia messing with Europe towards its own ends. Why?
originally posted by: DJW001
Where do I ever even imply that America can only be righteous? We've gotten our hands dirty all over the world... but you refuse to acknowledge that we can also be a force for good. If it wasn't for the United States, Belgium might still be ruled by the Third Reich. Oh, wait... now I get it.
In order to better advocate them, you should provide us a list of crimes for which 'being jewish' is an excuse.
No, I showed you that I mentioned the Washington post earlier.
I don't like Fox news.
I hope you don't consider everybody who thinks the same is a fascist nazi.
I don't dismiss Fox news just for being Fox news.
Let's take Megyn Kelly for ex., I generally totally dislikes her analysis but, if I had to take stance in her debate against Trump, I'd rather be on her side. In the same way, I really liked her when she shot down in flames Cheney and his daughter about the Irak war legacy.
Are your analysis based on divination ?
As I said earlier the Washington post for ex. Bought in 2013 by Jeff Bezos, notorious Bilderberg member.
Are you happy to oblige ?
Why are you fabricating facts ? Where did I mention panamza articles ? How many times and in how many other threads did I mention them ? I won't pretend it to be zero, but how many times (I thing they were all related to the Paris shootings earlier this year)? Why do you consider panamza neo-nazis ?
I'm not ordering you to do anything but I'm happy we agree on the speculative nature of the OP.
Hence the virtue of doing a comparaison with non-bilderberg sources.
And thus, hence the virtue of having newssources that are independent from the Bilderberg.
Why to you consider that the only way to refute an embarassing fact is to discredit its source ?
There aren't that much Russian lobbies corrupting Europe.
Russia needs to be painted as 'big bad Russia', otherwise NATO has simply no reason to exist.
By the way, I have to ask it for the 4th time as you still didn't reply to the following question :
What's so embarrassing for you agenda about the renewal of dialogue between the US and the Russians ?
Mutti Merkel and her austerity policies is not the most popular european leader (exept among oligarchs) but only idiots feels the need to do some nazi ranting against her for that.
originally posted by: DJW001
Why bother? You seem to think being Jewish is a crime in itself.
originally posted by: DJW001
I still can't find that quote.
originally posted by: DJW001
Good; you're starting to learn. Although it is filled with lies, analysis of the lies can tell you what the Republican Party's political strategy is.
originally posted by: DJW001
Ah, yes! Jeff Bezos, notorious AshkeNAZI Jew....
originally posted by: DJW001
www.abovetopsecret.com...
(I don't have time to track down all your references, but Panamza is linked to Alain Soral, who is in turn linked to Kontre Kulture, and if your Nazi detector doesn't pick up on this one it must be broken.
originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
IMO, the French gov is more specifically targeting the websites of Dieudonné, Alain Soral, Panamza and likes. In other words, sites that are mainly critics of Israel.
originally posted by: DJW001
Do you really believe there is such a thing? There is information and disinformation. If you believe that the Bilderbergs are a grand unified conspiracy, they must control them all.
originally posted by: DJW001
Why do you think that a chart from a website that posts articles about aliens from invisible planets controlling human destiny is a fact?
originally posted by: DJW001
Why do you keep asking a question I have already answered three times? Do you not read other people's posts at all? I do not find dialogue between the United States and the Russian Federation embarrassing at all. On the contrary, I embrace it. It may wind up saving Russian lives if Putin knows what is good for his people and does it.
originally posted by: DJW001
The technique has actually gotten me a death threat, which I am forwarding to the Mods. The truth hurts.
originally posted by: DJW001
My entry into the thread had to do with the way Russian fellow travelers over-inflate the importance of the BRICs "alliance." I don't think I've bothered to comment on the OP at all, as it is speculation.
I can perfectly understand that you managed to irritate people up to a point where they end up sending you death threats.
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke
I do not judge anyone. Just because I have made you aware of how other people see you, that does not mean anyone is judging you but yourself. In fact, I have urged you to "own" your politics. You will be happier, and no longer feel the need to be so defensive. Now, let's return to topic. Automakers intent on provoking NATO by moving his forces closer to member territories. Why do you think he is exposing the Russian people to the risks that entails?
originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
WTF do you think you are to feel entitled to judge anyone on an individual basis on this forum ?