Kim Davis Freed. Drama Queen Mike Huckabee: Lock Me Up!

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Gothmog
Definition of marriage is state law.

You don't seem to understand the Supreme Court's ruling OR how state and federal law work together.

ALL state laws that banned same sex marriage were found to be unconstitutional, by the Supreme Court, according to the 14th amendment, so that part of state laws became invalid. Definition of marriage IS a state law, but it cannot include a ban on some citizens (per the 14th amendment). So. Kim Davis cannot legally follow that part of the state law.

Kim Davis took it upon herself to IGNORE the law and use her personal, religious beliefs in carrying out her job INSTEAD of the law. What she did is illegal. By refusing to issue marriage licenses, she was insuring that gay people didn't get married because it's against her religion.

And did you read the justices that went along with the crowd dissent afterwards ? No , you did not. So that means you did not see the part about this time going "outside" of their Constitutional granted power in this decision . And , again , someone puts words to my posts that I have not stated....nowhere in this did I mention for right or wrong...

originally posted by: Gothmog
And did you read the justices that went along with the crowd dissent afterwards ? No , you did not.

I absolutely did! Just because someone disagreed doesn't mean their opinion holds weight in the final decision. They're mistaken if they think the Supreme Court is outside their powers to interpret the Constitution! That is EXACTLY what they're supposed to do!

I don't see how the 14th could be interpreted any other way...

And , again , someone puts words to my posts that I have not stated....nowhere in this did I mention for right or wrong...

What are you talking about? I didn't put words to you post or say anything about being right or wrong.

a reply to: theantediluvian

The claim she keeps making is a clear loser, and will continue to lose at every level of our judicial system... This is a battle she won't win.. Maybe if we lived under a theocracy she would have a leg to stand on, but we don't, so I hope this lady is dealt with sooner than later.. Impeach her ass, please!

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
And the power granted to the Supreme Court is what , mainly ? Hint it has to do with Congress and the President, not so much the powers granted to the states.I grow tired of having to explain the Constitution and how the current Administration has absolutely disregarded that document over the past years....
You know , the Constitution is posted everywhere on the internet . Read it sometime. Do not rely on the mantras of your neighbor or the media.It takes several times through to reach the goal of knowing.

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
And the power granted to the Supreme Court is what , mainly ?

US Supreme Court

The Court is the highest tribunal in the Nation for all cases and controversies arising under the Constitution or the laws of the United States. As the final arbiter of the law, the Court is charged with ensuring the American people the promise of equal justice under law and, thereby, also functions as guardian and interpreter of the Constitution.

US Constitution, Article III

The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.
...
In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction.

SCOTUS

The Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS[1]) is the highest federal court of the United States. Established pursuant to Article III of the United States Constitution in 1789, it has ultimate (and largely discretionary) appellate jurisdiction over all federal courts and over state court cases involving issues of federal law, plus original jurisdiction over a small range of cases.

Hint it has to do with Congress and the President, not so much the powers granted to the states.

I don't do too well with hints... What do you mean? Congress and the president? I'm not talking about powers granted to the states. That's another amendment altogether.

I grow tired of having to explain the Constitution

Hey! I hear ya! LOL!

You know , the Constitution is posted everywhere on the internet . Read it sometime.

Oh, I've spent some quality time reading it. Maybe you can clear up my misunderstanding of the document...

originally posted by: Gothmog
You know , the Constitution is posted everywhere on the internet . Read it sometime.

You should practice what you preach.

And back to the topic... Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski asked Huckabee some hard questions... Of course, he dodged them the best he could.

Watch Mike Huckabee’s ‘Biblical’ Support For Kim Davis Get Dismantled On Live Television

If a county clerk such as Kim Davis can deny legal same-sex marriages, what’s to stop another biblical literalist county clerk from denying a marriage license to someone who has had a divorce — especially since Jesus Christ explicitly condemns divorce in the Bible? In other words, how can Mike Huckabee cite the Bible while supporting Kim Davis’ opposition to same-sex marriage, but ignore the fact that she is on her fourth marriage — which, to a traditional biblical literalist, would mean that she is actively living in sin?

“Jesus was much more explicit about divorce,” Scarborough said. “And you could much more easily make an argument that a judge would refuse to grant divorces because Jesus was much more explicit about divorce equaling adultery. So what would you think if a judge in Arkansas said ‘I’m not going to divorce these people, because Jesus Christ said that divorce is an abomination and that it is adultery’?”

When Huckabee attempted to dodge the question by discussing a case in Tennessee where a judge refused to grant a divorce by citing the Supreme Court’s ruling on same-sex marriage, co-host Mika grew visibly frustrated, triggering a heated exchange.

It's worth the watch!

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Definitely worth a watch!

IMO, Mika & Joe mopped the floor with Huckabee's reasoning and left him looking like a pathetic little hypocrite.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

It's beyond obvious that Huckabee is just trying to pander to the religious fundamentalist crowd and doesn't actually care about getting elected.

a reply to: Flatfish

The way he kept avoiding answering the questions was some of the best slime I've seen for a while! But you're right. In the end, he's a hypocrite of the highest order, just like the lady he's using...

a reply to: WeRpeons

The crowd looked like a cult following waving those crosses in the air. Religious extremists exactly. We're those fake tears he was wiping from his eyes?

YES!! And did you notice hers? Mrs Fakey-Fake Faker!!!! OMG

I was zeroed in on her while I was watching it, while The Huckster was making his stump speech.....(yawn)....and she obviously was 'trying' to muster up some tears (didn't happen)....and when reporters asked her questions, she just kept her face aimed at the floor while she's looking at Huck with an "I don't know what to do now!!" expression.

Then her lawyer pipes up. "Well, uh, yeah...she...she, no! None of those licenses are valid!" What a load of faux reality tv rubbish. It would have made a hilarious SNL sketch though - (Oh! Wait!! Maybe it will be!! Lord I hope so.) Or that asshat Tosh.O could pick it up)

And, AND!!! I think that lawyer is absolutely manufacturing "excuses" and "options to present" to her. She is merely working off of a script. I honestly believe that. I've been in theatre and improv positions before.....she is being 'coached' on what to do and say....every step of the way.

Disgraceful.

Oh dear lord....you know what else? (Was just reviewing the OP, and clicked the first vid).....I think ALL of those 'protestors' are paid extras. The props were put together by the stage hands.....they went out front and pulled people from the sidewalk, or possibly had auditions Sunday afternoon or something.

This is - I'm sorry - this is SO DISINGENUOUS - so blatantly fake.
gag

OH LORD!! He just referenced Forrest Gump saying "God showed up"....and then Huck said "God did show up, in the form of a Clerk...!"

NOT KIDDING.
You all should go back and watch it.
I probably didn't quote it exactly right....but, just. Yeah.
She's the Second Coming? Seriously?



okay, diving back in now..............




yeah....2nd vid....
when she first comes out - she reminds me of Sandra Bullock in Miss Congeniality where she's on the plane 'practicing' waving and crying...."If I only had a brain!" she says as she's watching the beauty queen's tape.....

Anyway, I'm probably getting close to becoming sarcastically offensive, so....going to post and then lurk.
Have a great night, world!

Sheesh .... one more observation. No black people apparent in the camera shot - but lots of white people...

and, no one shouting "Black Lives Matter!" .........

but lots of "You are God's People!!!" being announced.

Okay, yeah.

just saying. sleep well, all.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Another female democrat public official skirting the law, demanding preferential treatment and grandstanding. Where have I heard of that before?

The only difference between Kim Davis and Hillary Clinton, is that Davis was already sent to jail.

riiiiiight.....that's the only difference......I guess you don't wish to be taken seriously

Great, a presidential candidate who doesn't understand how things work.
Doesn't like the SCOTUS decision, but they were right (in his opinion) on the 'Hobby Lobby' decision...
Proxy jail terms? Really?

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Wow. That was beautiful....

perfect.

Everyone, if you didn't see BH's link above, you MUST go watch it.
thinkprogress.org...

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Not a fan of tosh? I think he is pretty funny and would do well this lady.

Or get her in the late show with the Colbert!
That might be to much publicity for her though.

One of Kim Davis' lawyers, Horatio Mihet, was just being interviewed on CNN by Ashley Banfield. I'm transcribing from DVR as there are no transcriptions yet nor any video to link. I think this pretty much sums up the reality of what's going on here.

--- begin transcript ---

Mihet: That is another thing that Kim Davis has made absolutely clear and that is that she will not under any circumstances relinquish her post, a position to which her county elected her to serve. She loves people. She loves the Rowan county and she wants to be able to serve them while remaining true to her conscience. Kim Davis will not resign her post.

Banfield: Okay, so the only way I see this playing out is that she goes back into the office on Friday or Monday or whatever day it is and she either personally decides not to fill her name in on those blank forms and then sign her name or she tells those other deputies they can't do it either. Is she going to interfere with the business of that office even if she doesn't have to sign her name or fill her name in. Is she going to tell those deputies not to do it either?

Mihet: Kim Davis' conscience prohibits her from allowing marriage licenses to be issued in her name, under her authority and that's what I can tell you. She will not violate her conscience.

--- end transcript ---

So what she is saying is that she's not going to issue the licenses nor will she allow any of her deputies to do so. How can anyone continue to dispute that what is happening is that this woman is abusing her position in an attempt to prevent people from lawfully obtaining marriage licenses because she doesn't like it?

Imagine that every county clerk determined who would or would not be issued a marriage license based on her own personal feelings? I can scarcely imagine the level of delusional self-importance required for a person to believe that she can decide to deny people a basic civil liberty, now firmly established by court ruling, because she objects to those people HAVING said civil liberty.

Expect her to be back in jail shortly and deservedly so.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Expect her to be back in jail shortly and deservedly so.

I fully expect it! And this time, I'm hoping it happens. I would prefer she just do her job or let someone else do it, but if she won't, lock her up so someone can... and put Huckabee in there with her!