Whats your view of America right now?

Born in America...part Polish, German but from my great grandparents. I think we as citizens have become stupid, lazy livestock that immediately follow the shiniest object until it disappoints us...as it always does. At a government or country level...I think we have become the "Great Satan" others call us.

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Born in America...part Polish, German but from my great grandparents. I think we as citizens have become stupid, lazy livestock that immediately follow the shiniest object until it disappoints us...as it always does.

Become? Humans have always been this way. The US is nothing new there, nor is it anything special in that regard.

At a government or country level...I think we have become the "Great Satan" others call us.

America is no more moral or immoral than any other country in the world. We certainly aren't a "great satan" either since we also export tons of help and aid in addition to the bloodshed and violence we export. In fact, we export more aid and help than bloodshed and violence. You just hear about the bloodshed and violence.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

On "Become"...you have a good point.

On "Great Satan" I would offer this. Compared to what we could be, I think we as a country (eg. government, etc.) are evil in the eyes of a lot of the world. We impose our will, rules and morals upon everyone else and while we may (at times) believe it is in "their best interest", we know very little about what is in the best interest of others. And more often than not, we don't seem to see the difference between a hand-out and a bribe. No...we are not the most evil country in the world...not by far. But from the view of others...we are pretty bad. As a boss of mine said once...they're not wrong.

From the UK. On the outside looking in it appears to be an unsolvable racial powder keg with a confusing healthcare model and the most sophisticated propaganda system on earth but with a citizenry that has a healthy distrust towards government. Having visited different states a few times I mostly found the people to be quite friendly and open.

I'm not sure yet.
I've been avoiding the political bull# and just about everything else I can stay away from.
Chances are its as #ty as it was yesterday, if not #tier, according to who you ask which is usually dependent on what's going on with the individual.

I'll take a guess though off the browse...
border and immigration whining
buncha politicians talkin about how #ty the country is now.
Diplomacy is #, as usual.
Billionaires are still billionaires and heavily engaged in looking as if they're helping somebody, note that its never you..
www.billboard.com...
New music old music--- # doesn't change much aside from whether its plugged in or not and who's making it.. there's been a little bit of revival going on as well... not sure where that's headed...

Sempers still running around takin headshots, Gen is no longer a mod, who the hell knows where Nef is...

# I dunno man, we get rain some days and other days the sun beats our ass. Same old same old ; )

btw, whoever banned me is a complete ahole..

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

While I'd say that I'm not entirely happy with all of our foreign policies, you also can't satisfy everyone. And that includes other countries. Most of the world has a favorable opinion of us and that's good enough for me.

originally posted by: AnteBellum
Simply, as the title states, there is no alterior motive.

Please list your country of origin because mainly this question is for people outside the United States.

How do you personally feel about the USA right now?
What is good and what is bad?
Is it our people, the government, how we handle(mishandle) foreign affairs?
What can be changed, is it too late?
Honestly, anything at all, whatever you feel.

I'd really like to know.
Lacking are the chances I can communicate globally like this and hear from everyone on the other side of the fence in one place.

I came upon this topic when speaking to someone tonight. We are all fed information from the media which in my eyes is biased, so this is a way to see through that. Family and friends abroad also hold a bias when asking this to them. There is no better way to do this.
I will not hold any bad will torward anyone's answers, nor will I try to defend or counter any of your beliefs. I would just really like to hear what you think, as if I was transported to your kitchen table listening to you over a good cup of coffee.

Thank you in advance for your posts, AB

Let's see.. Born and raised in Texas, but moved to Asia about 12 years ago.

After living around a totally different culture, while still seeing some American tourists, my views have warped on America. The land in the USA is a beautiful place, and the people are rather disciplined, but a bit too much. They say they are free, but they are not. Most of my comments on America come from interactions with urbanized city folk who can afford to travel half way around the world, and let's face it -- most American's have never left the USA, and if they do, it's usually to Mexico, Canada, or the Caribbean. It makes sense, they're the closest destinations outside of the nation.

This of course, is going to be a stereotype post, there are always exceptions... But on average:

1. Spoiled. They expect standards abroad to be the same as their house, and often freak out when faced with having to go #2 and use their hand to wipe because there is no toilet paper. There are so many creature comforts that are easily accessible in the USA, that when going on vacation "to escape it all," they get confused and upset why another nation is not meeting their personal standards they are so used to.

2. Brainwashed by television / media. I usually find it hard to have a conversation with an American that doesn't include the subjects of: television, movies, sports, or some material possession or gadget they just bought and want to show it off... And then usually focus more on that object than interacting with people. A bar I like to visit has a sign on the wall - "No WiFi - Talk to each other." I agree with that.

I can elaborate further on this point too...

3. Peace Corps volunteers - Avoid them, especially when in groups. It usually sounds like a group of long time tourists who still compare everything to back home, and they treat their work like a mini-vacation. Here there is a stigma that Peace Corps workers are actually spies for the CIA, so the locals here don't really trust them either.

4. Ignorant to the max. That's normal though for a tourist staying ~2 weeks in a place.

5. Superiority complex, because the USA is the #1 bestest nation ever. They visit a "poor" country and feel like a king/queen on their minimum wage USA salary. Yes, they are more "rich" than locals, but it tends to go to their heads and they feel like they can do what they want and act like they want because they have money and are on vacation. This often leads to problems.

6. Sex tourists. Yes, there are many Americans (and Australians, British, Germans too) who travel to Asia on sex tours. Here they are called "D.O.M." -- which stands for "Dirty Old Man". Usually 60+, this old dude is walking around places with a skinny 18+ year old hanging on his arm. It's quite common in large tourist spots.

7. Miltary Americans abroad... Ugh. A problem on their own, especially depending on the branch. Currently there is a US Marine on trial here (Scott Pemberton) who is standing trial for taking home a transvestite and then murdering him. The former Air Force / Naval base in Subic once was and is still a hopping red light district for the US military, which is still making shore leaves there to this day.

Just my opinion from long term observations of Americans abroad...

a reply to: AnteBellum

Oooh ooh ooh! Can I answer too, as an American?

Country of origin

America

How do you personally feel about the USA right now?

Love the country & our rights. Hate the way many people in positions of power don't like applying those rights equally to all Americans, hence the constant fight for equal civil rights. Wish we had a stronger social safety net, a nationwide high speed rail network, and a smart renewable power grid. Hate many aspects of our foreign policy & the never ending wars. Love our potential to be the greatest country in modern history (USA! USA!), but hate the fact that a large segment of the country doesn't want us to advance in anything significant (booo!).

What is good and what is bad?

Ooops, already partially answered that.

Good: Our rights, our potential, our diversity, the fact that you can find pretty much any information or product you want at any time online, our citizens (especially my friends, family, and the ladies ).

Bad: Our foreign policy in most areas, our stubborn bigoted citizens that refuse to treat everyone as equals, our modern pop culture (I boycott that crap), our crappy media, our war culture, and the cost of living. Oh & our idiotic war on drugs, even though I don't use drugs.

What can be changed, is it too late?

It's only too late when you're dead. Things have improved dramatically over the last century & are constantly getting better. Of course, that depends on who you're asking. The people who want things to go back to how they used to be will probably say the opposite. But the very fact that I can talk in public to "white" people right now is proof of the dramatic changes, since my parents literally weren't legally allowed to do that until they went to college (the Deep South). Think about that for a second. That's real progress. And it's only getting better.

American here, with no problem pointing out problems. I'll be damned if I'm going to sit here & fawn like I'm having my own personal patriotic fap-fest. It takes more than ego-stroking to acknowledge & find solutions to problems in any given country, not just the US.

I see the planet akin to a neighborhood (other countries being other houses) and the US' house is the one with the paranoid, meddling middle-aged nuisance spying on all the neighbors through the windows, recording everyone's every move day in & day out, etc. Oh, but she doesn't stop there. She tells everyone what to do & not do in their own homes, enters houses at will for any reason she can come up with, and somehow manages to get the other neighbors to not argue about it.
Her CC is practically maxed out, she's up to her eyeballs in accumulated debt, and continues to live high on the hog at the expense of others in the house who may be going without necessities. She does dole out some of her money, to those she favors in the house & who, coincidentally, have more than enough of their own money already. She doesn't seem to have enough money to feed the household, yet gives away plenty of her money & food out of her garden to the neighbors.

The family dynamic in the US' home is quite dysfunctional. There are various creeds & colors under that roof, but she does little to make sure they're all treated equally & fairly. There's a definite level of "favoritism" upheld toward the preferred family members, almost as if it's an unwritten family caste system. The black sheep of the family are treated the worst, virtually given food scraps & a corner of the lot to live on. Actually, it was their house first, America just barged in in day & ran them out to the back yard & kept them there.

There is no reasoning with the US family, no matter where they go. They firmly believe they are better than everyone else, believe they are above the neighborhood laws they demand others follow, are utterly disrespectful of their neighbors. The family's disrespect & paranoia has resulted in some altercations the US family instigated, while blaming the opposition. Some houses they even burned down. And got away with it!

Some of the US family members know things have to change before they start something with a neighbor they can't finish, or before the family goes postal on each other. But it's useless. The paranoid, meddling middle-aged Head of the Household has everyone else under their thumb. They make many grand promises they can't (or won't) keep for their unwavering devotion, and plant the seeds of distrust in their heads against the concerned family members. The paranoia has spread, and now they're all convinced there's nefarious desires behind the concerns. No one is willing to work with the others.

That's how I see the country & it's population. A HoH manipulating everyone, doing as they see fit without consequences, & basically leading to self-destruction by way of refusal think logically & to fix themselves. It's not just government wrecking crap, because people vote them in in the first place. It's everyone, all of us, top to bottom.

a reply to: Metallicus

The U.S. is part of a Kill Zone that extends the western world or 25% of the earth. A Kill Zone is an old military tactic for a long term abush. The reason for one is the number of victims to the number of aggressors. It is to an area to demoralize, degrade, corrupt legally, create poverty/dependence, restrict all means to hide, travel, information, basicly its weakened to create a cult like condtion for its suicides, mental and general illness. The end would be to disarm it. This has been going on for scores of years. Yet its hidden above you as a matrix. You feel its evil yet don't know what it is. The very end by economic means is like the King riots. Victims fight victims engaged only by police first. As all means to escape are closed. The roads are blocked to forests, swamps, the mountians and sea. Then invaded by the UN in its ruin. Bio Weapon all the empty cities and etc. They confiscate all food, demand to be worshiped and give a brand or mark. Refuse are taken to FEMA camps given a vaccine to dull the mind. By then the UN is under the Vatican and the popes oath on heritics. For dark age reloaded torments and then beheaded under public law 102-14. Then after finished swing around the earth for the rest of its victims.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

hows it going in australia? good place to live ? you know, in case we need to seek refugee status lol can you imagine ? since the globalists seem focused on screwing up america, if americans escaped to australia, they would nuke it off the map just to get rid of the escapees.

"Whats your view of America right now?"

Canucks says, "South."

a reply to: Nyiah

Good insights on the dysfunctional families there. I grew up with one as well there. It's one reason I appreciate my adult life abroad, living with indigenous who value family and people more than money.

The USA on average has no family glue. I'm used to seeing 3 year olds running on stone wall cliffs, and seeing 5-10 year olds carrying their younger sibling baby on their back or arms. I also see unification of families/clans working together to prevent outsiders from disrupting their way of life.

I don't see that in the states.

It's also easy to identify the superiority complex and entitlement of Americans abroad. Even the family fights with each other and is not unified. How is that superior?

On average, there is no hope. Should a SHTF situation break out in the USA, you will need family to work with each other, stick together, and not be broken apart. That doesn't seem to be the way things are now.

originally posted by: Philippines
a reply to: Nyiah

Good insights on the dysfunctional families there. I grew up with one as well there. It's one reason I appreciate my adult life abroad, living with indigenous who value family and people more than money.

The USA on average has no family glue. I'm used to seeing 3 year olds running on stone wall cliffs, and seeing 5-10 year olds carrying their younger sibling baby on their back or arms. I also see unification of families/clans working together to prevent outsiders from disrupting their way of life.

I don't see that in the states.

It's also easy to identify the superiority complex and entitlement of Americans abroad. Even the family fights with each other and is not unified. How is that superior?

On average, there is no hope.

I don't know, it sounds like you watch a lot of American TV. I don't think most real families are like that. My family is incredibly unified.

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: Philippines
a reply to: Nyiah

Good insights on the dysfunctional families there. I grew up with one as well there. It's one reason I appreciate my adult life abroad, living with indigenous who value family and people more than money.

The USA on average has no family glue. I'm used to seeing 3 year olds running on stone wall cliffs, and seeing 5-10 year olds carrying their younger sibling baby on their back or arms. I also see unification of families/clans working together to prevent outsiders from disrupting their way of life.

I don't see that in the states.

It's also easy to identify the superiority complex and entitlement of Americans abroad. Even the family fights with each other and is not unified. How is that superior?

On average, there is no hope.

I don't know, it sounds like you watch a lot of American TV. I don't think most real families are like that. My family is incredibly unified.

It's great you have a unified family. This is all my opinion of course and there are many exceptions. How many generations does your family line go back living in the US?

I haven't owned a TV in many years and don't watch it, but you bring up a great point. In my travels I've observed that society is usually a reflection of what's showing on television. Here in the Philippines there are a lot of "game shows" where people are singing and dancing all the time. When you go around the city, people are also singing everywhere, and dancing too. If you think what's showing on American TV is where I got my opinion from, then maybe there is something about USA television that is anti-family?

a reply to: Nyiah



Would love to see a movie done like that!

Simply, as the title states, there is no alterior motive.

Please list your country of origin because mainly this question is for people outside the United States.

The Netherlands.

How do you personally feel about the USA right now?

I find that a rather hard question because it's very broad to me, but mostly I'd say that I find the USA rather weird, no offence I find it hard to 'understand' your society. On the one hand, we seem to have many things in common, but on the other, the USA appears in so many ways much more extreme. There're extremer divisions between groups (political to otherwise) as it seems, and groups (whichever) seem to have more radical, 'strong' opinions. I find it hard to get a complete, comprehensive image of the USA, I know that states (may) differ a lot, but for instance: aren't there still many people who live in deep poverty since the crisis? Don't hear much about them. And aren't there people who live on welfare and food stamps? But then again, there're people who don't even have that, if I'm not mistaken.

The 'mindset' of people appears to differ a lot per state. I find your country fascinating and I think you have beautiful nature (at least on pic/film ). There'd be so much to see!

But I see so many strong opposites, like people who're living a 'normal' life (at least, in my Dutch view...) and then there're people who live in miserable conditions in ghettos. And on the one hand there seems to be racism and sexism, yet on the other hand, sometimes other people swing the entirely opposite way and instead of being anti-sexist of anti-racist, they just push it too far. Then there's the whole religion thing... many people appear intolerant. Here, most atheists are done being offensive when they're past the age of 17, which seems different in the USA. There're far less practising christians here, and they're less.. 'hostile' (?) to other groups. So, more extremes. Or perhaps the loudest shouts make it across the pond by internet

What is good and what is bad?

Good:
-Your people elected a black president, meaning that racism is on its decline. (aside from what I think of him as a politician)
-people in the USA have some strong principles, with some I agree more, with others less, but it means also that you're not that easily 'controlled'. For instance, infringement on freedom of speech unlocks a sh**tstorm afaik.
-There's a lot of diversity in many ways in the USA
-There's a lot of diversity in terms of landscape, states, 'local' culture, etc.
-There are many friendly/kind people.

Bad:
-the USA has major issues with obesity and being overweight.
-Animal welfare is in a bad state imo
-There's too much environmental damage being done, without regards for the local people, their health, etc
-People can get guns too easily
-There's still deep poverty, and also, hate against these people. (or at least, so it seems from here)
-There's no well functioning, comprehensive, affordable health care plan (...right?)
-People call America 'free', but to be very honest, I fail to see how or why. Just google unethical experiments or something done by the US government... in a free country, no people are unknowingly infected with syphilis during a decades-long experiment while both unwilling (obviously) and being lied to. Or the '___' experiments on prostitutes etc... no. That's not respectful to people.
-Whatever your opinion is, the USA doesn't seem to handle the illegal immigrant issue very well.

Is it our people, the government, how we handle(mishandle) foreign affairs?

The USA can be very intrusive and condescending towards other countries, including their allies. It makes me pissed to realise what the NSA has been doing as a rule for a *very* long time. Other countries waste way too much time sucking up to the USA government. Also, I have my concerns about TTIP and the *huge* secrecy. That's just not good. Also, look at how the CIA has been mingling in foreign affairs in the past and the disasters it created. They even supported/installed genocidal dictators. The USA needs to take a step back. A good thing however is that the USA sends help when there's a disaster or famine.

'American people' doesn't mean much to me; just like here, people differ like day and night. Overall though, I think American people seem nice

What can be changed, is it too late?

Back off. Much of the antipathy towards the USA doesn't stem from hatred towards its people (I hate none of you...) but is about how the USA seems to try to have a hand in everything, see as described above.

originally posted by: Philippines

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: Philippines
a reply to: Nyiah

Good insights on the dysfunctional families there. I grew up with one as well there. It's one reason I appreciate my adult life abroad, living with indigenous who value family and people more than money.

The USA on average has no family glue. I'm used to seeing 3 year olds running on stone wall cliffs, and seeing 5-10 year olds carrying their younger sibling baby on their back or arms. I also see unification of families/clans working together to prevent outsiders from disrupting their way of life.

I don't see that in the states.

It's also easy to identify the superiority complex and entitlement of Americans abroad. Even the family fights with each other and is not unified. How is that superior?

On average, there is no hope.

I don't know, it sounds like you watch a lot of American TV. I don't think most real families are like that. My family is incredibly unified.

It's great you have a unified family. This is all my opinion of course and there are many exceptions. How many generations does your family line go back living in the US?

My mother's family has been here since around 1748 when her ancestors were brought over as slaves from what is now Ghana.

My father's family arrived from Ireland during the potato famine in 1846.

I haven't owned a TV in many years and don't watch it, but you bring up a great point. In my travels I've observed that society is usually a reflection of what's showing on television. Here in the Philippines there are a lot of "game shows" where people are singing and dancing all the time. When you go around the city, people are also singing everywhere, and dancing too.

There are a lot of those shows in the US as well. American Idol, The Voice, etc..

If you think what's showing on American TV is where I got my opinion from, then maybe there is something about USA television that is anti-family?

It's not anti-family so much as overly dramatic and exaggerating everything usually.

a reply to: Pitou

I love your country and most northern euro countries. If it wasn't for my kids and my family I would be there now, eating crepes.

I know every place has its up's and down's, but for the first time in my rather patriotic life, I don't feel at all in place with where things are headed here.
As a country of individuals we keep making the same mistakes, in different flavors, over and over again. My personal staff of professionals get more excited about nude Kardashian photo then a private commission with full artistic control over design of a museum - an architectural dream job!

I left my city home, which I spent years to make perfect, to go live in the burbs, to give my kids a more country upbringing, on the weekends they can be cosmopolitan. I'll admit it, the city scares me when it comes to what my children are exposed to each and every day. As I learned though, running away doesn't always work the way you anticipate, but I really feel like doing it again now.

I've watched over the years the voices of myself and others silenced slowely. Rights getting smaller, the perception of life becoming more dangerous, opportunities wasted or squandered or simply non-existent now.
Everyone here is catagorized, you are either white or black, republican or democrat, Christian or atheist, pro-life or pro-choice, rich or poor, nationalist or terrorist, we are a country of macro-minorities split into minorities and then further into micro-minorities.

There is no more unity, in our United States. Family values have been fractured, we're a country of orphans. . .

This topic has me more depressed then ever lately, I'm sorry and thank you for your posts.

AB

My views on America
1. Full of gangs
2. Supports Corruption
3. Suppression of other countries.
4. Supports Slavery even within itself(everything made in China.)

People: "But, the workers...."
Stop using the word worker/working class, you guys are all asking for slavery.
You should be going back to the word "Citizen".

5. Ignorant sheeples who can't live without the stock market economy.
6. Supports Homeless while the rich gets to feed off the people and buyout lands(dumb people who keeps calling themselves workers, thank you for destroying the "land of the free").
7. Fake Christian(possibly Occultists). Even European Christians are nicer.
8. Full of violence especially gun violence that ends people lives too fast.