Berenstain Blame: Titor?

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Having just recently joined the ATS& 'conspiracy theory' discussion bandwagon, i regret i never heard of Titor til earlier this week, and only in context of the 'Berenstain' phenomenon.

Who is this guy? was he apparently an ATSer at some point? and what credence is there to the following theory that Titor may have affected the timeline in such ways as somehow changing the spelling of prominent authors' surnames thus the namesake of very heartwarming nostalgic childhood memories as they were and used to be?

And regardless of what name we may use to place blame, at least it was just the spelling of a name that was altered. What if something graver gets messed up? Ie, what if Hitler's scientists were given a tip not to stop developing atom bombs and thus became the stockpilers of thousands of atomic/nuclear warheads instead of US? Is this something also possible by say, operating CERN and/or Hadron Colliders?

with so many scientists messin around with quantum subatomic particles nowadays, is it inevitable that even if we don't get sucked into a black hole or nuke ourselves into extinction, lots of 'fringe' glitches may soon become the norm rather than just a few singular singularities?

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When John Titor traveled back to 1975 to obtain the IBM 5100, he caused some kind of Divergence. We were -supposed- to have Endured a Catastrophe in the form of the “Y2K Bug” (remember how it was a forgone conclusion?) … But he went off-mission, Changed something, and we Avoided It.

Instead of a Grass-roots Renewal of coming back to The Land, our Technology continued to Grow, and we’ve become the Decadent, Disconnected, Obese, Pornographic Culture you see around you.

To me, this BerenstEin (which it WAS, and was supposed to have remained) Phenomenon is an Echo of Proof that OUR World-line was Affected by the Time/Dimensional Traveler, John Titor. Maybe he wasn’t in Our Specific World-line in 1975, but whatever he did There (or Then) caused Ours to be Created as a Branch-off from that point. But he was CERTAINLY in Ours in 2000-2001, as we have the Posts to prove it.”

And how come even Berenstain's BRAND PROTECTION attorney spells the brand name as Berenstein, anyways? How come shifts in the timeline , in this instance, did not affect the majority's memories of the original timeline (assuming that is the original timeline/reality)?

I wasn't familiar with hm, until I joined ATS.

I have read a number of articles about him since I became a member, but my conclusions are that he was a a fraud and talked a pretty good game, but he never mentioned 9/11 and fourteen years on, it's still fresh. I'm sure the signicance of that day would still be resonating one hundred years from now?

perhaps in his timeline, 9/11 didnt happen? perhaps if US gov was busy digging itself out of millenial chaos, they would have postponed the leadup towards WMDs/Saddam/Iraq/Afghanistanistan? perhaps Titor and other experiments like CERN/Hadron/Manhattan improved the millenial transition and enabled the 9/11 chain of slaugher & genocide?

a reply to: Sovan

Earth travels through space yeah? In order to invent time travel, you would need to calculate where the Earth was in the universe at whatever time you chose to go back.

If you just invented a machine that could go back in time, you would appear in a part of the universe that the World hasn't yet managed to get to.

It's too complicated and it will never happen.

He talked about time lines, that was a massive get out clause.

I don't have your answers, but I find temporal mechanics to be absolutely fascinating. I look forward to seeing where this thread goes.

yea can totally fathom the time-0-matic computer accounting for time-space continuum locale. lest folks materialize in the center of stars, planets,black holes, etc. travel forward sounds easier than back. esp with all the paradoxes involved in back.

a reply to: Sovan

How come shifts in the timeline , in this instance, did not affect the majority's memories of the original timeline (assuming that is the original timeline/reality)?

Because there was no shift?
Because people make mistakes. Because peoples' memories are not perfect.

And how come even Berenstain's BRAND PROTECTION attorney spells the brand name as Berenstein

It doesn't appear that Jonathan Reichman actually wrote that blurb. It is about him, not by him.
They corrected their mistake.
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a reply to: Phage

The whole Berenstain/stein thing is definitely weird.

I think it would been weirder had I actually been a fan of the books.

Now if someone comes out and says that it's Dr. Sauss in about three years I am drawing the line.

a reply to: Phage

Do you remember them as the Berenstain bears?

a reply to: jaws1975

I was too old for them and my daughter is too young.

But I do know that my memory, and those of others is not the most reliable thing.

a reply to: OrphanApology

The whole Berenstain/stein thing is definitely weird.

What's weird is that people think that their childhood memories are infallible and that people don't misread things.

a reply to: Phage

Well not that childhood memories are infallible but when I was very young probably up until I was around 15 I had a very good memory in regard to spelling. I guess my mind kind of took pictures, I would see the word on the page where I originally found it(which later messed up my spelling when I started working in offices because of people misspelling everything). So for me this was strange because I can still I guess "See" the spelling of "Berenstein" in my head.

Could have just been a misspelling in an article though. I never cared for the books themselves.

That's why I say if someone came out and said Dr. Sauss I would definitely draw the line as I loved those as a kid.

a reply to: Phage

True, memories are tricky things, it's just weird cause I remember watching their tv specials and reading the books as a kid and before I even knew about this conspiracy I would have bet money it was Berenstein. I even asked my brother who knows nothing of the conspiracy, I showed him just the picture of the bears and asked what their name was and how to spell it. He also said Berenstein, weird.

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a reply to: Phage

Well not that childhood memories are infallible but when I was very young probably up until I was around 15 I had a very good memory in regard to spelling.

And it's somehow easier to believe in a sci-fi temporal phenomona than it is to believe you made a mistake.

a reply to: Phage
That's why the world is full of ads for Berenstein merchandise with pics showing the Berenstain spelling.

a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

Sci-Fi temporal phenomena?

What are you talking about?

a reply to: OrphanApology

I remember (as a fast reader as a child) I would often miss, or misread words. Still do on occasion. The thing is the "stein" name suffix is far more common than "stain." I don't find it at all surprising that people would misread it. More surprising that they think they didn't.

Seuss is not a name that is as easy to misread as something else but it wouldn't surprise me if some people got it wrong.

a reply to: Phage

Yeah or maybe it's the mind playing tricks. There's "Leonard Bernstein" and various other names like that where they almost always have the "Stein" ending. I really don't think I've ever seen the "Stain" variation besides the bears books.

Who knows?

Still fun topic anyway if for nothing else but it's massive scale of people affected.

a reply to: OrphanApology

Still fun topic anyway if for nothing else but it's massive scale of people affected.

Massive numbers of people thought the Sun goes around the Earth. That did not make it a fact.

a reply to: Phage

We believe everything we currently believe based on the information we have at the current moment. The people believing that the sun orbited the earth did the same.

Our generation is no more exempt from our stupidity than any other. We will look like morons in 400 years.

I find that so many think it was "Stein" as being very interesting. I can't help finding it interesting.

If so many people have been misspelling the name all these years you'd think there'd be some memories of teachers correcting them or of that one annoying kid in class correcting them or something.

Anyway, just interesting.