Fox news is reporting Brady wins nullification of 4 game suspension

Guilt or innocence aside. This is a 'win' for individual rights vs. Corporate.

A line has been redrawn between an assumed guilt and actual, proven one. While it should have never gotten to this point. It remains there is a limit to corporate power over the individual....for now...

www.foxnews.com...

Go pats go, the judge made the right call, and brady the golden will be playing all year, im lovin it.

a reply to: nwtrucker

I thought the issue was blown way out of proportion from the beginning.

a reply to: WeRpeons

Either way, our 'football pressure' future seems secure.

Now if we could get the same persistence on rebuilding our economy.....

a reply to: nwtrucker

Good, when the Bills play them they will be at their best in week 2.

IF the bills would have won without Brady playing it would have been as hollow as the season finale win last year.

IF there was intentional manipulation it came from higher than Brady. He was the 'Patsy'....so to speak...

I am not a big NFL fan but went through the posts over at Climate Audit on the subject climateaudit.org... Talk about a detailed analysis . Steve McIntyre post "Deflating Deflategate: Confusion about basic science could have wrongly smeared Tom Brady" In the Financial Post business.financialpost.com...

Let's see if the 'ball don't lie' dictum for basketball carries over to football.

Now I'm not one to wish ill on anyone especially an athlete just performing his craft, but if Brady goes down for an extended period due to injury in the first couple of games...

Ball don't lie.

I do think without a doubt he knew that balls were under the limit. No professional qb would ever not have them exactly how they want. Almost every retired qb has said that. That being said I thought the 4 games was to much when we have Greg hardy serving the same for beating a woman.

This is a win for unions too, it was the players union that was able to make this happen.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: nwtrucker

I thought the issue was blown way out of proportion from the beginning.

I figure that was a done deal. The NFL will do the "right thing" and find him guilty as charged and then a friendly judge will fix that "game."

WHO CARES!!!

Judge rules in favor of Tom Brady in Deflategate

Judge rules in favor of Tom Brady in Deflategate; NFL appeals decision
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Some key information that came from the hearings.
1. NFL admitted there was no evidence of any wrongdoing by Tom Brady, and there was no evidence he was aware of any wrongdoing.
2. NFL admitted the hearing that led to his suspension was not fair, and put forth the argument that they are not obligated to provide Tom Brady with a fair hearing.
3. NFL admitted they withheld key witnesses from Tom Brady's defense team, and says they are not obligated to notify Brady, or allow Brady access to any witnesses that benefit his side.
4. NFL says they are under no obligation to provide Tom Brady with evidence of his innocence that they uncover during their investigations.
5. The Wells report was not fair and unbiased. It was unfair and biased.

Judge Berman chided Roger Goodell for dispensing "his own brand of industrial justice."

Berman cited "several significant legal deficiencies'' in the league's handling of the controversy, including no advanced notice of potential penalties, the refusal to produce a key witness and the apparent first-ever discipline of a player based on a finding of "general awareness'' of someone else's wrongdoing.

The league spent more than $3 million for its investigation by high-powered attorney Ted Wells

The league spent $3 million on a hit piece designed from the start to hurt Brady and the Patriots. Brady was innocent and only Patriots haters did not see it. Anyone who was against Brady in this needs to take a serious look at themselves.

And just to clarify the issue of the actual footballs. EVERY football the league tested was within league parameters once the weather is accounted for. Only ONE football was outside of parameters, and that is the football the colts admit they had in their possession and admit their equipment manager "tested". If anyone thinks that is a mere coincidence I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

1. Colts emails show they were trying to get the Patriots in trouble.
2. Colts' player who intercepted the ball says the ball did not feel underinflated when he caught it and it felt fine to him.
3. Every football other than the one the Colts tampered with were roughly the same PSI as the Colts' balls (3 of which were also underinflated when tested).

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Can you show where the NFL lied about the deflation?
Most I can find is that the 2 pound was a lie but they were still 1 pound under.

deflategate....

this is hilarious

a whole entire court hearing about a dumb ass football player with his dumb ass air pressure
god people are dumb asses

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Can you show where the NFL lied about the deflation?
Most I can find is that the 2 pound was a lie but they were still 1 pound under.

So they did not lie, they just lied. The NFL lied about the severity of the deflation, want to know why, because TEMPERATURE 100% accounts for all deflation. They did not want people to know the balls were only slightly deflated, because then anyone with half a brain would know there is no issue.

Seriously, you need to look into what happened, it's 100% clear the league was out to screw the Pats and intentionally fudged things to do so. For instance they had 2 gauges, one read lower than the other. The higher one was used for pre game readings on both teams. The LOW gauge was used for the Pats balls at halftime, and the HIGH gauge for Colts. Once 3 of 4 Colts balls read low (one with the higher gauge), they stopped looking and did nothing.

One gauge, referred to as the Logo gauge, was consistently .3 to .45 psi higher in its measurements than the non-Logo gauge. Referee Walt Anderson, who was alerted to psi issues before the game, has a detailed recollection of the unrecorded psi levels of the 48 footballs he gauged pre-game — essentially 12.5 for the Patriots footballs and 13.0 or 13.1 for the Colts footballs. His Recollection of those pre-game psi levels is one of the foundations of this report. MR. ANDERSON SPECIFICALLY RECALLS THAT HE USED THE LOGO GAUGE FOR THESE PRE-GAME MEASUREMENTS (pg. 52). (This is the only recollection of Mr. Anderson that the report rejects.) Therefore, the Logo gauge numbers are the correct numbers to use for halftime psi. The investigators did rely on those Logo gauge halftime psi numbers in dealing with the Colts footballs. Using that gauge, all the Colts footballs were within regulation. That justified the officials not adding air to them. However, when assessing the Patriots footballs, the investigators reject Anderson’s best recollection that he used the Logo gauge pre-game, and instead look to the larger psi drop that is shown by the lower psi, non-Logo gauge.

wellsreportcontext.com...

Honestly I don't think you are being malicious, but you are really in the dark with what went on here.

What is the consequence of rejecting Anderson’s statement that he used the Logo gauge pre-game? The Ideal Gas Law, according to the League’s consultants, establishes that the psi of the Patriots footballs at halftime would have been 11.32 to 11.52 due solely to the temperature impact on the footballs. (pg. 113). With the Logo gauge, 8 of the 11 Patriots footballs are in the Ideal Gas Law range and the average of all 11 Patriots footballs was 11.49 — fully consistent with the Ideal Gas Law’s prediction of exactly what that psi would be. THAT IS, RELYING ON MR. ANDERSON’S BEST RECOLLECTIONS, BASIC SCIENCE FULLY EXPLAINS THE DROP IN PSI OF THE PATRIOTS FOOTBALLS DURING THE FIRST HALF.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
because then anyone with half a brain would know there is no issue.

do people with whole brains really care about this stuff?
this is awesome

i have to go read about this before i watch rambo

en.wikipedia.org...

On May 6, 2015, the NFL published a 243-page report regarding the deflation of footballs used in the AFC Championship game

Brady has reportedly given permission to the NFLPA to appeal the suspension in federal court

On July 28, the NFL announced the upholding of the four-game suspension, citing Brady's destruction of his cell phone as a critical factor

^^^^^^^^^disturbiing

there are real issues going on and this dumb # actually goes to federal court
unreal

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Yes Goodell, who is great buds with Craft, wanted to go after one of their biggest markets in a HUGE sports town.
Brady isn't really the bad guy in the league, its Belicheck. I would believe a witch hunt on him.

Maybe I did miss some things because I stopped caring about it.

Didn't they have some text from the equipment people about lowering pressure?

originally posted by: Mugly
en.wikipedia.org...

On May 6, 2015, the NFL published a 243-page report regarding the deflation of footballs used in the AFC Championship game

Brady has reportedly given permission to the NFLPA to appeal the suspension in federal court

On July 28, the NFL announced the upholding of the four-game suspension, citing Brady's destruction of his cell phone as a critical factor

^^^^^^^^^disturbiing

there are real issues going on and this dumb # actually goes to federal court
unreal

Brady is a citizen right? If his rights are being violated the court should be there right?

If you are upset about this going to court the NFL should be the target of your ire. They railroaded Brady, spent money on a biased report simply to attack him, and then Goodell was Judge, Jury, and Executioner in a trial he admits was never fair.

Goodell is going to appeal this and waste further court time.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Yes Goodell, who is great buds with Craft, wanted to go after one of their biggest markets in a HUGE sports town.
Brady isn't really the bad guy in the league, its Belicheck. I would believe a witch hunt on him.

Maybe I did miss some things because I stopped caring about it.

Didn't they have some text from the equipment people about lowering pressure?

They had text that said the NFL was unfairly increasing the pressure, and the NFL was inflating their balls to 16PSI when it's supposed to be around 13PSI. There are then vague references that can be interpreted as the ballboy altering the pressure back to 13psi.

There is actually no text that even hints at anyone altering the pressure below league standard. The only evidence is that the Patriots ballboy may have been altering the pressure back to 13psi.

As to why Goodell would do this, you really are clueless on the situation and to delve into that would really derail the thread. The fact you would even argue Goodell would not do it is laughable when the NFL has basically admitted they did it. They admitted Tom Brady never had a fair hearing and they never had any intention on giving him one.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Meh if you say so.

Didn't want to see him off the field for it anyway.