Shifting Paradigms

Hi All,
It is a general conception that Nikola Tesla shifted the then existing paradigm, which has become a taboo to discuss.
I heard this on the byte show sometime back when joseph farrell was the guest. This shift might have occurred as he used to play with high voltages.
Another instance of a paradigm shift could have been when the Nazis created the Nazi bell. This device also used high voltages and altered time. Rudolf hess spoke about zeiten wende in a letter to his wife and remarked that, he cannot write more about this. Could it be that he was referring to the paradigm shift caused by the Nazi bell.
What do you all think about this subject?

What do you all think about this subject?

a reply to: Nochzwei

You may be on to something. Do you believe that there are shifts outside the of your high energy theory? For instance, I believe that 9/11 was orchestrated specifically to move humanity off of a timeline that contained a worldwide catastrophe. I guess you could say that high energy was involved...... 9/11, now that was a "paradigm shift."

a reply to: Nochzwei

You are in the science forums. Prove the Nazi bell even existed and worked first, THEN we can talk about any supposed paradigm shifts as a result of it. Otherwise this thread should have gone into Skunk Works

a reply to: Nochzwei

I would be curious to hear a more concise description of the paradigm shifts you are hypothesizing. From what, to what?

a reply to: Nochzwei

Rudolf hess spoke about zeiten wende in a letter to his wife and remarked that, he cannot write more about this. Could it be that he was referring to the paradigm shift caused by the Nazi bell.

It would help to know when he wrote the letter.
It is possible that he was speaking in reference to a point of no turning back, such as September 1, 1939. After that point, the 'hot' war in Europe began and there was no mistaking that it would draw Great Britain and France into the war.

Interesting topic.
Now my mind is running wild.
Based on my limited consciousness. I can only recognize a shift only by looking at past events. There is no telling on how something new will or will not affect the general perception of things. Unless I already know what the reaction is going to be. Time travel maybe?
If I have a time machine I can travel back in time and make something big happen so the general perception change, therefore creating a new timeline. That's a paradigm.

a reply to: Abednego

That's probably a good way to spark a causality violation, and just end up wasting your time.

originally posted by: pfishy
a reply to: Nochzwei

I would be curious to hear a more concise description of the paradigm shifts you are hypothesizing. From what, to what?

Timeline changes are what I was referring to

originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: pfishy
a reply to: Nochzwei

I would be curious to hear a more concise description of the paradigm shifts you are hypothesizing. From what, to what?

Timeline changes are what I was referring to

Oh you're back.

If that is the answer you are going with then you are misusing the term "paradigm shift".

Paradigm shift

is, according to Thomas Kuhn, in his influential book The Structure of Scientific Revolutions (1962), a change in the basic assumptions, or paradigms, within the ruling theory of science. It is in contrast to his idea of normal science. According to Kuhn, "A paradigm is what members of a scientific community, and they alone, share" (The Essential Tension, 1977). Unlike a normal scientist, Kuhn held, "a student in the humanities has constantly before him a number of competing and incommensurable solutions to these problems, solutions that he must ultimately examine for himself" (The Structure of Scientific Revolutions).

Once a paradigm shift is complete, scientists do not, for example, reject the germ theory of disease to posit the possibility that miasma causes disease. In contrast, a critic in the humanities can choose to adopt an array of stances (e.g., Marxist criticism, Freudian criticism, Deconstruction, 19th-century-style literary criticism), which may be more or less fashionable during any given period but all regarded as legitimate. Since the 1960s, the term has also been used in numerous non-scientific contexts to describe a profound change in a fundamental model or perception of events, even though Kuhn himself restricted the use of the term to the hard sciences. Compare as a structured form of Zeitgeist.

Indeed imo 9/11 was another instance of a paradigm shift.
a reply to: donktheclown

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Nochzwei

You are in the science forums. Prove the Nazi bell even existed and worked first, THEN we can talk about any supposed paradigm shifts as a result of it. Otherwise this thread should have gone into Skunk Works

You seem to be just assuming something and being negative about it. Igor witkowski has documentation pertaining to the interrogation of ss officer, jakob sporrenberg, by the polish authorities, where the existence of the bell came to light and sporrenberg was executed for killing 62 german scientists that worked on the bell project, towards the end of the war.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Nochzwei

Rudolf hess spoke about zeiten wende in a letter to his wife and remarked that, he cannot write more about this. Could it be that he was referring to the paradigm shift caused by the Nazi bell.

It would help to know when he wrote the letter.
It is possible that he was speaking in reference to a point of no turning back, such as September 1, 1939. After that point, the 'hot' war in Europe began and there was no mistaking that it would draw Great Britain and France into the war.

He wrote this letter upon execution of 11 ss officers after the end of nurenberg trials.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: pfishy
a reply to: Nochzwei

I would be curious to hear a more concise description of the paradigm shifts you are hypothesizing. From what, to what?

Timeline changes are what I was referring to

Oh you're back.

If that is the answer you are going with then you are misusing the term "paradigm shift".

Lol, You are back.
Paradigm shift can also refer to timeline changes

a reply to: Krazysh0t

With all due respect, that is just one use of the term Paradigm Shift. As a former educator, we employed the term when we spoke of new directions of approaching teaching materials to students.

Cambridge English Dictionary definition of Paradigm Shift:

"a ​time when the ​usual and ​accepted way of doing or ​thinking about something ​changes ​completely"

Source

According to the definition, "Time" factors into it and also "Change." In that way, changing timelines fits right in. Of course, your scientific usage is also correct... for its application.

Cheers, have a cold one!

Interesting supposition. What do you think the original path would have held had the Bell or it's resultant technologies not come to be? And what areas of S&T do you think it most directly affected?

Now, to be completely honest with you, I am basing my inquiries from a standpoint of your original hypothesis being accurate. I am dubious as to the existence of the Nazi Bell, though I have seen speculation over the years as to what it was supposed to be. But I'm not going to try to trash your thread or your claims. That would make me a rather rude guest. And discussion and education do not require both parties so see things equally.

a reply to: Nochzwei

Oh I am WELL aware of the legend around the bell, but none of that is proof that it existed and worked.

originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: pfishy
a reply to: Nochzwei

I would be curious to hear a more concise description of the paradigm shifts you are hypothesizing. From what, to what?

Timeline changes are what I was referring to

Oh you're back.

If that is the answer you are going with then you are misusing the term "paradigm shift".

Lol, You are back.
Paradigm shift can also refer to timeline changes

Since when?

originally posted by: new_here
a reply to: Krazysh0t

With all due respect, that is just one use of the term Paradigm Shift. As a former educator, we employed the term when we spoke of new directions of approaching teaching materials to students.

Cambridge English Dictionary definition of Paradigm Shift:

"a ​time when the ​usual and ​accepted way of doing or ​thinking about something ​changes ​completely"

Source

According to the definition, "Time" factors into it and also "Change." In that way, changing timelines fits right in. Of course, your scientific usage is also correct... for its application.

Cheers, have a cold one!

I'm sorry, but that looks like a HUGE stretch, but then if we are going to accept that that is a valid argument, the OP should have clarified himself better. Though I see the thread has been moved to the proper forum now. Where it first showed up in the science forums, I had more right to demand the proof I did at the time. Here it makes more sense for the phrase to mean what it does.

I was more upset about the thread being put in a science forum and the OP making HUGE assumptions about unproven legends that may or may not be real science without ANY supporting evidence.