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originally posted by: charolais
originally posted by: introvert
Does Trump realize that repealing the 14th amendment would create more government waste and bureaucracy, because every single time a child was born the parents would have to establish citizenship for their child with the government?
Would we have to create a new government office to keep track of all of that information?
I agree with you, the irony is laughable.
This goes to all Republicans though... not just Trump. They spout on and on about smaller government, unless it involves their talking points (religion, abortion, immigration, war/foreign policy, etc.).
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Economist Mike Kimel has noted that the former Democratic Presidents (Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Lyndon B. Johnson, John F. Kennedy, and Harry S. Truman) all reduced public debt as a share of GDP, while the last four Republican Presidents (George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush, Ronald Reagan and Gerald Ford) all oversaw an increase in the country's indebtedness
originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: angeldoll
Wouldn't the country of their parents extend citizenship to the child automatically? If not, please refer to Ted Cruz.
I agree with Mr. Trump. One parent should be a citizen of the US.
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein
originally posted by: introvert
Does Trump realize that repealing the 14th amendment would create more government waste and bureaucracy, because every single time a child was born the parents would have to establish citizenship for their child with the government?
Would we have to create a new government office to keep track of all of that information?
Your point?
What you don't want to create a new government office to keep track of the illegals? Why is that?
It would not be a government office that keeps track of illegal immigrants. It would be a government bureaucracy where each and every child would have to apply for citizenship based on the status of their parents. What if you are denied because there is some confusion or mishandled paperwork? Government never gets it wrong, do they?
That is not American in the slightest. If you're born here, you are one of us. I don't care if your parents immigrated illegally or not.
There is also no evidence that shows people immigrate here with the sole purpose of having a child to remain in the US. So this is a solution to a non-problem.
originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein
originally posted by: introvert
Does Trump realize that repealing the 14th amendment would create more government waste and bureaucracy, because every single time a child was born the parents would have to establish citizenship for their child with the government?
Would we have to create a new government office to keep track of all of that information?
Your point?
What you don't want to create a new government office to keep track of the illegals? Why is that?
It would not be a government office that keeps track of illegal immigrants. It would be a government bureaucracy where each and every child would have to apply for citizenship based on the status of their parents. What if you are denied because there is some confusion or mishandled paperwork? Government never gets it wrong, do they?
That is not American in the slightest. If you're born here, you are one of us. I don't care if your parents immigrated illegally or not.
There is also no evidence that shows people immigrate here with the sole purpose of having a child to remain in the US. So this is a solution to a non-problem.
So based on this reasoning, a few that have a hard time getting their paperwork as an actual legal would make you swing the other way? Do legals not have issues all the time with everything already? What's the difference really, other than a possibility of keeping the illegal number down more than it is?
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein
originally posted by: introvert
Does Trump realize that repealing the 14th amendment would create more government waste and bureaucracy, because every single time a child was born the parents would have to establish citizenship for their child with the government?
Would we have to create a new government office to keep track of all of that information?
Your point?
What you don't want to create a new government office to keep track of the illegals? Why is that?
It would not be a government office that keeps track of illegal immigrants. It would be a government bureaucracy where each and every child would have to apply for citizenship based on the status of their parents. What if you are denied because there is some confusion or mishandled paperwork? Government never gets it wrong, do they?
That is not American in the slightest. If you're born here, you are one of us. I don't care if your parents immigrated illegally or not.
There is also no evidence that shows people immigrate here with the sole purpose of having a child to remain in the US. So this is a solution to a non-problem.
So based on this reasoning, a few that have a hard time getting their paperwork as an actual legal would make you swing the other way? Do legals not have issues all the time with everything already? What's the difference really, other than a possibility of keeping the illegal number down more than it is?
This idea would only make sense if they also implemented a massive deportation program as well. What the point if you are not going to deport them ?
I would not support such a program and I think it's damn near impossible.
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Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Accordingly, the text of the Citizenship Clause plainly guarantees birthright citizenship to the U.S.‐born children of all persons subject to U.S. sovereign authority and laws. The clause thus covers the vast majority of lawful and unlawful aliens. Of course, the jurisdictional requirement of the Citizenship Clause must do something – and it does. It excludes those persons who, for some reason, are immune from, and thus not required to obey, U.S. law. Most notably, foreign diplomats and enemy soldiers – as agents of a foreign sovereign – are not subject to U.S. law, notwithstanding their presence within U.S. territory. Foreign diplomats enjoy diplomatic immunity, 12 while lawful enemy combatants enjoy combatant immunity. 13 Accordingly, children born to them are not entitled to birthright citizenship under the Fourteenth Amendment.
Mr. HOWARD. ... This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States.
This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”
Access to United States citizenship was restricted by race, beginning with the Naturalization Act of 1790 which refused naturalization to "non-whites". Many in the modern United States forget the institutionalized prejudice against white followers of Roman Catholicism who immigrated from countries such as Ireland, Germany, Italy and France.[156] Other efforts include the 1882 Chinese Exclusion Act and the 1924 National Origins Act.[157][158] The Immigration Act of 1924 was aimed at further restricting the Southern Europeans and Russians who had begun to enter the country in large numbers beginning in the 1890s.
In conjunction with immigration reform in the late 1980s (seen with the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986), there have been noted IRCA-related discriminatory behavior toward Hispanics within employment. As the measure made it unlawful to hire without authorization to work in the United States, avoidant treatment toward "foreign-appearing workers" increased to bypass the required record-keeping or risk of sanctions.[159]
originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
The Constitution has been trampled on for years, why stop now? Maybe Trump will try the pen and the phone magic too to change immigration and citizenship. Many things Obama has done without Congressional approval and skirted the Constitution.
originally posted by: Answer
originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: charolais
Lindsey Graham was asked about it, and he said he didn't have a problem with it, and thought it would pass.
I personally find it obscene. We would have generations of displaced, countryless persons. A cruel thing to do to a baby.
I hate to sound overly sensational but history shows that the easiest way to take over a country without violence is by changing the demographic over time.
Hispanics have larger families, statistically, so combine that with the rate of illegal immigration and you can see the future landscape of the United States changing dramatically.
originally posted by: SlapMonkey
Personally, I think the amendment could use a little update concerning this issue.
originally posted by: Bluntone22
If the government would enforce the immigration laws we already have, there would not be an issue.
You can't have babies here if your not here to have one.
originally posted by: Jewbaca
To everyone above who said the word's "illegal immigrants" you need to start using the real term "illegal aliens"
Immigrants are those who have rightfully worked hard and did the right thing to become citizens of this country.