The Self-Delusion of Christians in Their Christianity: Let Us Count the Ways

Greetings to everyone,

What Christian on these forums will be able to accept and confront what he will now read?

This is not intended to offend anyone, but the Truth must be spoken.

According to the Bible, Jesus Christ has given to His Church the responsibility of representing His Kingdom to the world, and those within Christianity are quite complacent in believing that they adequately do this.

As such, the entire institution of Christianity is self-deceived in blindness, and destined for the lake of fire. Let us begin the process of proving this beyond all doubt.

According to Christianity's own Bible, Jesus' final plea before being sent to His gorily disfiguring mutilation and torturous death was for all of His believers to be unified as one, so that the entire world would then be brought to belief in Him, through the witness of His unified Body (the "Body of Christ").

John 17
20 Not for these only do I pray, but for those also who believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one; even as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that you sent me. 22 The glory which you have given me, I have given to them; that they may be one, even as we are one; 23 I in them, and you in me, that they may be perfected into one; that the world may know that you sent me, and loved them, even as you loved me.

If Christians truly "believe Jesus," they must then accept His own word that says the world can and will come to belief through the unity of His Church. Or in other words, if the world does not come to belief, His Church would thereby be held accountable for its inability to be brought to unity. Let us then ask the Christian - after 2,000 years, has there ever come a time when the entire world has come to belief? Or, do we now appear to be on the brink of a worldwide belief in Christ? The honest analyzer will have to admit that if anything, the current of this world is moving in the opposite direction. Let it then be unequivocally stated that the ever-deteriorating condition of the world's religious and social affairs is a direct result of the Christian Church (consisting of 20,000 or more conflicting and divided denominations) being entrenched in carnality, with all Christians seeing what they want to see and believing what they want to believe.

Ironically, this is the same thing that Christianity condemns the world for.

How then can Christians justifiably preach that those who "don't believe" will be sentenced to eternal burning torture, when again - according to the very words of the one they worship - it is their own failures that have caused this lack of belief? How consumed in self-assured and blinded complacency must one be to not see, confess and confront this? I challenge that if any Christian will not do so, he believes in a "different Jesus," and not the one whose words are recorded in the Bible.

The question now becomes - is it truly realistic to say that for 2,000 years, the entire Christian institution has been self-deceived and consumed in darkness? For those who "believe in Jesus," it will be worth once again referencing His words as recorded in the Gospel of John:

John 9
4 I must work the works of him who sent me, while it is day. The night is coming, when no one can work. 5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

Oh how Christian practitioners love to twist or circumvent these (and many other) words of their own Lord in an effort to flee from their most certain implication: After Jesus Christ left this world, darkness fell, and no one has had the ability to see or perceive Truth clearly. This has lasted for 2,000 years, and it is now up to Christ's own Church as to whether or not this consuming darkness will end.

Beyond the obvious - that is, beyond Christianity's ridiculously divided makeup of millions of "believers" all believing different things while all thinking they are right, how else can we establish beyond all doubt that Christ's Church has been blinded and in darkness for 2,000 years? Here is where the cosmic ironies of the divinely inspired Bible become most evident: What has applied to the "Body of Christ" for the last 2,000 years can be seen through the "living prophetic metaphors" of what happened to the body of Christ.

We have already shown that the Body of Christ is at fault for the world's failure to believe - not only through the foolish-looking division and inner-conflict of the Church, but through the barrage of its brutality and scandalous misbehavior through the centuries. Any who have claimed the name of Jesus have assumed membership in the Body of Christ, and as such, the shortcomings of His "Body" have mutilated and desecrated His true image, making Him unrecognizable and appalling to the world:

Isaiah 52
14 Just as many were astonished at you (his appearance was marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men)

Is this "stretching" things? Is this "twisting Scripture?" We can see that this is not the case when examining other aspects of Jesus' time of torture and death in comparison to the state of His Church. We have already seen that according to Christ's own words, darkness has reigned since He left the world, meaning that all men (including those in His Church) have been roaming about blindly in the darkness during the Church Age. With that in mind, what are we told was placed upon his face?

Luke 22
63 The men who held Jesus mocked him and beat him. 64 Having blindfolded him, they struck him on the face and asked him, “Prophesy! Who is the one who struck you?”

For 2,000 years, the Body of Christ has been "prophesying" (attempting to share its "truth" with the world) while BLIND.

According to the words of the Lord and Savior of Christians, the man whose words they claim to hold tightly to, what do "thorns" represent?

Luke 8
7 Other [seed] fell amid the thorns, and the thorns grew with it, and choked it.

14 That which fell among the thorns, these are those who have heard, and as they go on their way they are choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity.

What was placed upon the head of Jesus?

John 19
2 The soldiers twisted thorns into a crown, and put it on his head

The blinded Body of Christ that has mutilated His true image is ruled ("crown") by a carnal mindset that is only concerned about the pleasures of this terrestrial existence and has failed to bring forth the fruits of His Kingdom, which is not of this world.

What type of garments were placed upon the Lord of the Christians, Jesus Christ?

Matthew 27
28 They stripped him, and put a scarlet robe on him.

Mark 15
17 They clothed him with purple, and weaving a crown of thorns, they put it on him.

According to Revelation, what colors does the "Babylonian Harlot" wear?

Revelation 17
4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of the sexual immorality of the earth.

What are God's instructions to HIS OWN people in regards to Babylon?

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Revelation 17
4 I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, that you have no participation in her sins, and that you don’t receive of her plagues, 5 for her sins have reached to the sky, and God has remembered her iniquities."

2,000 years of mutilating Christ’s true image while blinded in darkness have been fertile ground for piling up a multitude of sins.

After 2 millennia, as we are now entering the “third day,” God’s people are being called to come out of Babylon; out of the tomb of darkness in which they have been confined (the darkened entombment that Jesus Christ prophesied would happen after His departure). And even more vitally, without an awakening of the Church to its failures to bring the world to belief (a resurrection unto TRUTH), there is no hope for the Church, or for mankind. Organized religion must be destroyed if there is to be any hope for all things.

Complacent Christian, you have desecrated the image of your Lord, been crucified (unable to work) for 2,000 years, and are now sleeping in darkness. Will you awaken and repent, or choose to stay asleep?

Mark 13
35 Watch therefore, for you don’t know when the lord of the house is coming, whether at evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or in the morning; 36 lest coming suddenly he might find you sleeping.

So in other words your saying that for the past 2,000 years Christians have not been doing their job. Ok, if that is true then how did Christianity become the largest religion on earth? Such a feat would be impossible if this was done blindly don't you think?

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

It's just 1 christian berating other christians for not being christian enough according to his definition of it.

christians have been berating each other for this ever since doubting Thomas got outed!

I think the 'church' is so completely out of touch with reality that it boggles the mind...

But there is still a remnant and we are on the brink of an unprecedented earth shaking revival.

People like Todd White, Ana Mendez, Heidi Baker, David Hogan, etc. are still living like the early church did.

Christians in Hell

The two angels escorted me to Hell. I then saw many pastors, elders, and deacons in Hell. I asked the angel, “I know them. They had served God faithfully while on the Earth. They had died some time ago. We all had thought they were in Heaven with God. But now, I see them all in Hell and they are crying out that it is so hot! Why are they here?” There were so many pastors, elders, deacons and all other lay believers.

The angel answered, “Pastor Park Yong Gyu, a person can appear to be a true follower of Christ on the outside but God knows the heart.

There are multitudes of churches on the Earth and many of the churches are filled with many people. However, most of them are not true Christians. They are but church attendants. The true churches will firmly believe in Heaven and a Hell. The lives of many Christians are in chaos because they do not firmly believe in Heaven and Hell. When one soul enters Heaven, one thousand cursed souls enter Hell. The rate of Heaven and Hell is 1 to 1000.” (Matt 7:14)

Heaven & Hell 1000 to 1

Bishop Wilfred Lai is the founder and senior Pastor of Jesus Celebration Center in Mombasa, Kenya and it is a church of over 15,000 members. One day he asked the Lord how many of them were ready for heaven and the Lord told him only 200. Only 1% of that church is going to heaven! Dr. Lai said that some pastors have created large groups of sinners meeting in the name of God. “What you have are not churches, but large congregations of sinners.”

Message from Pastor Wilfred Lai

On August 3, 1979, Howard Pittman, a Baptist minister for 35 years, died while on the operating table during surgery and had a near-death experience.

Instead of allowing me to enter, the angel stationed me before the Gates, slightly to one side. He instructed me to stay there and watch as the saints were permitted to enter into Heaven. This point was so important that the Holy Spirit told me Himself. I watched the fifty saints enter Heaven, but the point I missed was the time frame involved.

It was explained to me that at the same time those fifty saints died on Earth, 1,950 other humans also died; or only 50 out of 2000 made it into Heaven. That other 1,950 were not there. Where were they? That was only 2 ½ percent going to Heaven! Ninety seven point five percent did not make it! Is that representative of the entire world today? If so, 97 ½ percent of the population of this world today is not ready to meet God.

Placebo by Howard Pittman

a reply to: TombEscaper

Jesus is praying for all Believers, not everyone in the world. The full context of the verse you cite makes this clear, not everyone will be brought to belief.

We pray that as many as may will be brought there, and the tragedy is that the way is open for all if they would only meet Him halfway.

a reply to: TombEscaper



May as well give the prayer you left out and see if what you are claiming Jesus said is in that part ...

According to the Bible, Jesus Christ has given to His Church the responsibility of representing His Kingdom to the world, and those within Christianity are quite complacent in believing that they adequately do this.

Joh 17:1 After Jesus had said this, he looked up to heaven and said, "Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, so that the Son may glorify you.
Joh 17:2 For you have given him authority over all humanity so that he might give eternal life to all those you gave him.
Joh 17:3 And this is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent—Jesus the Messiah.
Joh 17:4 I glorified you on earth by completing the task you gave me to do.
Joh 17:5 "So now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world existed.
Joh 17:6 I have made your name known to these men whom you gave me from the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word.
Joh 17:7 Now they realize that everything you gave me comes from you,
Joh 17:8 because the words that you gave me I passed on to them. They have received them and know for sure that I came from you. They have believed that you sent me.
Joh 17:9 "I am asking on their behalf. I am not asking on behalf of the world, but on behalf of those you gave me, because they are yours.
Joh 17:10 All that is mine is yours, and what is yours is mine, and I have been glorified through them.
Joh 17:11 I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by your name, the name that you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one.
Joh 17:12 While I was with them, I protected them by the authority that you gave me. I guarded them, and not one of them became lost except the one who was destined for destruction, so that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
Joh 17:13 "And now I am coming to you, and I say these things in the world so that they may have my joy made complete in themselves.
Joh 17:14 I have given them your word, and the world has hated them, because they do not belong to the world, just as I do not belong to the world.
Joh 17:15 I am not asking you to take them out of the world but to protect them from the evil one.
Joh 17:16 They do not belong to the world, just as I do not belong to the world.
Joh 17:17 "Sanctify them by the truth. Your word is truth.
Joh 17:18 Just as you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world.
Joh 17:19 It is for their sakes that I sanctify myself, so that they, too, may be sanctified by the truth. ISV

a reply to: TombEscaper

Complacent Christian, you have desecrated the image of your Lord, been crucified (unable to work) for 2,000 years, and are now sleeping in darkness. Will you awaken and repent, or choose to stay asleep?

Crack that whip!
Why do you even care to this point of creepy serial obssession ?
I'm glad you won't be anyones judge.

The best Christians are the quiet ones. The ones who don't do it for the attention and the cookies. Their faith isn't a trophy or a badge, it doesn't need broadcasting. Like breathing. You don't have to yell every time you inhale to get the job done.

a reply to: TombEscaper

angel of lightangelo

That is the "old you" here isn't it?

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

It is not the largest religion on earth Islam is.

a reply to: ketsuko

You sell tickets to an amusement park, not to paradise. And if you do, I begin to wonder what kind of paradise deals in contracts of eternal servitude.

tomb, I am not going to go into the misinterpretations and failures to rightly divide the word of truth, that your conclusions are skewed because you have taken something written to Israel in the past and made it to the body of Christ, the church today.

The 12 apostles never made it out of Judea when Paul was called to be an Apostle to the Gentiles and take the Gospel given him not by the other 12 or 500 but by revelation of Jesus Christ. That gospel of Christ was unknown to Peter and the others because they only knew the gospel of the Kingdom which is for Israel.

There are three different Gospels in the NT. the kingdom Gospel, the Gospel of the grace of God and the eternal Gospel.

Anyway, I don't care for todays organized institutionalized church it is no longer organic and places a lot on a single man or celebrity preacher rather than on those who make up the Body of Christ.

a reply to: TzarChasm

You can call it whatever you want. The truth is there if you decide to accept it.

All the rest of us can do is make sure it's been heard. None of us forced you to come into this thread and read anything here. You did that all on your own.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TzarChasm

You can call it whatever you want. The truth is there if you decide to accept it.

All the rest of us can do is make sure it's been heard. None of us forced you to come into this thread and read anything here. You did that all on your own.

And I questioned your statement all on my own too. But I guess you aren't interested. Is it because I'm not chugging the kool aid?

And it's not that the truth has to be heard...it's that the same damn thing gets posted every day, every week. Hans Christiansons Fifty Stories of Righteous Servitude, on repeat, all the time. How many times can you post the same scripture? How many times can you use it to criticize each other, quibbling over whose savior is the right interpretation of an old mystic coot who got beamed up after violating the prime directive. How many times can we rehash the same book, the same lines, the same circular arguments and the same endless back-and-forth until you grow bored or sick or both.

This thread already exists, a hundred times over, and it really isn't necessary to do that Tom Cruise thing where you crash and restart immediately after. It crashes, it crashes. That doesn't mean start a new thread and pretend its not the same damn thing all over again.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TzarChasm

You can call it whatever you want. The truth is there if you decide to accept it.

All the rest of us can do is make sure it's been heard. None of us forced you to come into this thread and read anything here. You did that all on your own.

Yep - so I keep pointing out to people that there is no actual evidence for any god, and I just have to keep doing that....I can't force the horses to drink.

a reply to: Murgatroid

Thanks for posting that.

Everyone that calls themselves 'Christian' should watch that Placebo video.

I cant imagine standing before HIM on that inevitable day and hearing "depart from me for I never knew you" after playing church your whole life.

People don't like to hear about Repentance anymore.

I am the first to admit I am not worthy and nothing I can do is good enough.

But HE is willing to give us a priceless gift if we will only Repent and accept it.

Well said Ketsuko.

We pray that as many as may will be brought there, and the tragedy is that the way is open for all if they would only meet Him halfway.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

It is not the largest religion on earth Islam is.

You might wish it was, but get your facts straight buddy.

Largest Religions as of 2015
Rank Religion Members
1. Christianity 2.1 billion
2. Islam 1.3 billion
3. Hinduism 851 million
4. Buddhism 375 million

a reply to: RealTruthSeeker

How has Islam become as big as it has? It's right behind Christianity for number of adherents and growing every day, even catching up to Christianity.

The size of Christianity proves nothing other than the fact that it's popular, lies are pretty popular in this world, sometimes even seen as truth. The God of this world is Satan remember? So what does that say about the Abrahamic God, the most popular in this world? Your argument is an example of the logical fallacy called "appeal to popularity", look it up.

What does Christianity teach? To walk by faith and not by sight. Blind leading the blind indeed.

Great thread OP, S&F. Maybe one day people will wake up to the fact that they believe in a lie.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TzarChasm

You can call it whatever you want. The truth is there if you decide to accept it.

All the rest of us can do is make sure it's been heard. None of us forced you to come into this thread and read anything here. You did that all on your own.

And I questioned your statement all on my own too. But I guess you aren't interested. Is it because I'm not chugging the kool aid?

And it's not that the truth has to be heard...it's that the same damn thing gets posted every day, every week. Hans Christiansons Fifty Stories of Righteous Servitude, on repeat, all the time. How many times can you post the same scripture? How many times can you use it to criticize each other, quibbling over whose savior is the right interpretation of an old mystic coot who got beamed up after violating the prime directive. How many times can we rehash the same book, the same lines, the same circular arguments and the same endless back-and-forth until you grow bored or sick or both.

This thread already exists, a hundred times over, and it really isn't necessary to do that Tom Cruise thing where you crash and restart immediately after. It crashes, it crashes. That doesn't mean start a new thread and pretend its not the same damn thing all over again.

And you have to post in every one of these threads.

If they bother you so much just don't click.

There are other forums.